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Post Post #677 (isolation #0) » Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:46 am

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This is just my notes, written as I read through the game (btw, I'm afraid my knowledge of the theme is minimal at best, sorry guys)

Dead scum=Firestarter/Mana_Ku/m4yhem (for linking players to)

frelaras:

Ozymandius/Sotty7/ThAdmiral: Random voted by Firestarter

Call Me Liam: Don't particularly like how he was guessing ZONEACE's role on Page 2, especially since ZONE died Night 1, he's an experienced player, so if he's scum, might be trying to find what sort of role he has to better judge whether to NK him. Might be looking into this too much, but it's a theory.

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Post Post #678 (isolation #1) » Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:48 am

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Sorry! Meant to press preview, those are far from my finished notes...

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Post Post #680 (isolation #2) » Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:44 am

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This is just my notes, written as I read through everything(Regrettably, my knowledge of the theme is minimal at best my only experience of this theme was a few shows I watched when I was yonger, sorry)

frelaras
: Not sure about Post 149, why answer a question for another player? That player could have made a slip-up answering it.

Post 213 sets of alarm bells for me, he refused to decide whether or not he believed Jebus's claim, he just fencesat. This leaves him with plenty of room to manoeuvre on the Jebus issue, and an easy way to just follow the general concensus on Jebus, whichever way it went.

Ozymandius/Sotty7/ThAdmiral
: Random voted by Firestarter.

Was first to go against Liam's idea of mass CC claiming.

In Post 233, Ozzy voted for ZONEACE without providing an explaination, just a few posts after Pie put a vote on ZONE too. Blatent bandwagon-setup? Looks a lot like it to me. Granted I suppose it may have been about his softclaiming, and he was very annoying, but it still looks a lot like trying to sneak your vote on the wagon.
He did the same again with td, though he isn't guarenteed town.

Like his vote against Liam though, especially since that takes him off the td wagon, which sprung up rather too quickly for my liking (town points for td)

CallMeLiam
: Don't particularly like how he was guessing ZONEACE's role on Page 2, especially since ZONE died Night 1, he's an experienced player, so if he's scum, might be trying to find what sort of role he has to better judge whether to NK him. Might be looking into this too much, but it's a theory.
CallMeLiam wrote:I for one will not be taking ANY character claim as any kind of evidence whatsoever unless the role is completely at odds with the character. i.e. I'd be very wary of someone claiming Garak the Vigilante or Gul Dukat the Doc but that's it.
In a game with changelings then there's no safe CCs and to play as if there are would be very foolish. Ultimately, I think a character claim is pretty worthless. To be honest I'd have no problem with D1 mass CC just to get it out of the way. Since I can't think of a DS9 character
without
a logical power role I also believe it wouldn't be too harmful for the town.
Hang on, am I getting this right? You're saying you believe CC's to be completely worthless info, yet you're advocating a mass-CC on Day 1 of all days, something you've admitted is worthless to the town for judging who's scum and not, but is very obviously not worthless for the scum, as they can guess who has what role from their charachter. Explain please.

(A massclaim is not necessarily a part of the game, in some scenarios it can be helpful, usually near the end of the game, but it's not a requirement for the town to win)

His next-post backpedal on the claim idea ("I'm happier not claiming now") also doesn't sit well with me. Then again, Mana_Ku (dead scum) strongly disagreed with the idea in her first post, which earns you some plus points, especially since she followed up with questioning, that in particular doesn't look like simple distancing to me.

He starts getting votes, and does an explaining post (Post 318), but doesn't really explain the mass CC-claim issue, which a lot of people have flagged. He also claims Quark. I don't know anything about DS9, so I can't really comment on the claim a lot I'm afraid, although Quark does seem like a genuine good guy from what I read about him.

m4yhem (scum) defends Liam in his first post, saying he isn't convinced by the case. He also says he suspects a couple of players that hadn't really been scrutinised up to that point. This kinda looks like scum trying to take the heat off one of their own by putting it on other targets, by bringing up some new talking points about relatively untouched players.

A 100% Changling scumteam, seriously??

Post 390 voting someone when half your reasoning is that you don't like the way they format their posts. This just keeps getting worse and worse...

td/The Fonz
: td's first few posts had no content in whatsoever. Admittedly, they were in the first few pages, but still something to take note of imo.

Isn't it odd that he lurks right up to the moment his absence is noted and he starts getting votes, at which point he returns with "Sorry, I'm still here, post coming up". No explaination or excuse. And after that, his first post proper post (Post 299) was also fairly contentless, especially devoid of any player analysis, ando some of the info is either (apparently) wrong or dislogical, pretty scummy imo.

Defends Liam and frelaras, calling the case agsinst him crap with no explainaion as to why. While this is poor form, it's probs too blatent to be defending a scumbuddy (could argue against that with WIFOM though I guess).

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Right, it's almost 11pm over here, it's probably best I finish for the night, my concentration levels are too low to make a decent analysis atm. I'll finish the remainder tomorrow hopefully. Night.
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Post Post #681 (isolation #3) » Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:25 am

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frelaras:
Post 528 sort of looks like he's trying to quickly eliminate the cult, which, if he was scum, would be a great advantage to him.

See below what I write about Sotty/Admiral about Light's Post 536...

Claim looks slightly iffy in the respect that it protects against the Mafia, but not the Cult. The Cult already has quite a large advantage over the Mafia as it is, they shouldn't be getting more due to roles like this...

Ozzy/Sotty7/ThAdmiral:
Light's Post 536, woah! Kinda puts Admiral right into the spotlight for obvious reasons... I'd rather lynch Mafia than cult right now, but still...

Although, why on Earth would Light reveal the last member of his own cult, thinking about it, I'm not so sure Admiral really is Cult. It ain't me, so Light isn't playing major WIFOM in regards with farside/me. td? Frelaras? Tbh, Frelaras would make a bit more sense than td, he's generated quite a bit less suspicion than td imo, though guessing Cult members is very hit-and-miss (hence why I hate them unless they're severely handicapped) Saying that, Light did seem kinda annoyed in his post, so he may have been telling the truth about Admiral, but I'm less willing to believe that than the theory that he was lying.

Then ofc there is the possibilty that he never recruited at all, while this may be true, tbh, we can't really be too careful, imo, we should definatly treat this like a lynch-or-lose and be wary of still living cult players. In particular, the Light lynch scene, where he called out to those loyal to him to save him certainly suggests that he might have culted.

Willing to believe Sotty's Role Claim, I can't see there being only 1 Vanilla in the game (me).

CallMeLiam:
Post 440, I am slightly wary of his pushing the Sekenj wagon forward when it looked like it was losing momentum.

Post 493, again, makes me slightly more wary of Liam, I can easily see that post as suggesting a possible strategy to a scumbuddy.

The -1 vote on M4yhem, hmm, could have been a townie mistake that allowed m4yhem to self-hammer and end the day prematurely, but I'm not so sure, it's a convenient place to vote to bus, looking townie for decisiveness while really allowing a scumbuddy a quick getaway. Hmm....

Post 530 See what I said about Frelaras's Post 528. Especially since that vote was the quick hammer, AGAIN ENDING THE DAY PREMATURELY WITHOUT DISCUSSION. That fact in particular is very fishy, I feel if he was town, he'd have learnt his lesson from yesterdays quick-lynch which he was mainly responsible for.

I'm not particularly pleased with Liam's roleclaim, he claims he can buy votes. In a 12-player game (and in particular in later days) that is a very powerful role, when you get to just 5 players left, you control nearly half the votes for example. I'd like Liam to claim who's votes he controlled. Also, is the player notified that they have to vote that player, or is it a situation where while everything looks normal on the vote counts, really, such and such is actually voting for the player you want them to vote for, and that doesn't appear on the VC?

Never mind, both those questions were answered. And Liam forcing td to vote himself is fairly conclusive evidence, and is way too powerful to be a scum ability... Dammit, back to the drawing board again...

td/The Fonz:
Post 363, at the bottom, td agreed that scum lists are a bad idea. This is such a horrible opinion that imo, it pretty much counts as a scum-tell, what on Earth could be wrong with people listing who they suspect? Not only does it prevent scum from hiding in the shadows and just throwing their vote around when it suits their cause, but it generates discussion and could cause scum slip-ups if they contradict themselves or something.

I really don't see the point of td further pushing the sekenj wagon when she'd already lynched herself, in Post 480, looks kinda off to me...

Post 504, suspecting a claimed cop because of A TYPO??? Seriously wtf? All kinds of scumbells are ringing for td now.

Hmm, looks like td is kinda cleared by Timeater's investigation and subsequent death revealing him as a town player. Fair enough, Liam's now my best suspect again.

Hang on, is he cleared? People are still voting him. If he ain't cleared, there is a pretty good case against him. As well as what I've already said, he's also displaying classic scum behaviour with his votes. He's only voted twice (apart from his random vote), his first real vote was
near the end of day one
, and that was putting sekinj (a townie) at -1 when the town in general was pushing for his lynch. His 2nd vote was on Day 3 for Light when he'd been revealed as the Cult Recruiter, someone the mafia would be very interested in removing. This is very typical scum behaviour, only voting when they are certain they won't get backlash for it to not garner any controversy and stay in the background rather than the spotlight. Furthermore, a lot of his posts have been about semantics and just blowing hot air around without REALLY questioning other players alot, which, again, is aimed at keeping out of the spotlight and not being questioned a lot by others. Very scummy actually.

Tbh, after all this, I'm tempted to vote for Fonz, though this may be lylo, so, I'll wait to hear what Admiral has to say first. I could roll with a Frelaras lynch, though Fonz is way scummier.
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Post Post #682 (isolation #4) » Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:21 am

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