Explosiva Mafia - GAME OVER

[Crazy]

If I understand this right:

This is Kingmaker, but the scum are the Kingmakers.

DGB is the Queen. She is confirmed innocent. She can kill someone whenever she feels like it. When she does, both of them will explode and we'll go to night.

And I think DGB was the obvious choice, just for comedic value.

[Crazy]

DoS is in this game?

FoS: DoS

for the pun.

Too bad MoS isn't here.

But, just so we stay kinda on-topic, who would you give a Bomb to if u were the scum?

DGB, probably, though I'd consider giving it to you.

This discussion of why we would give bombs to someone who doesn't have one can't lead anywhere good.

Why? It's just meta stuffz. And I'm sure with this group, the scum have plenty of meta knowledge between them already.

[Crazy]

Mhm... Banana.

Genius!

Guys, TDC is confirmed town now. If you can't see how, you're most definitely scum.

[Crazy]

I'm doing it for serious, because this is such an experimental game I'm trying to get a feeling for the opposition, if we find out how they picked their first player we may be able to form a good idea of the Meta used in this game

That'll be different, though. The Day 1 bomb pick is based on nothing but meta. The following ones would have to have something to do with game information, i.e. who's unlikely to get lynched and who's unlikely to pick scum.

Anyway, DGB *cries* How could you leave us? I blame your play-style.

Trying to distance yourself from the night-kill?

Vote: Max

Voting is good. Just because they have no purpose in game mechanics doesn't mean they're useless. We can just use them as strong FoS's.

[Crazy]

What's so great about killing lurkers?

Or am I missing a joke here?

[Crazy]

no, but it means they are completely useless, and may as well be dead.

BM

Yeah, but scum are even more useless.

[Crazy]

Unvote, Vote Forbiddan

Don't like that post where she said her vote was pure OMGUS because votes don't really matter. Yeah.

I really don't see how Coron claimed scum.

As for BM, I hope Stoofer's 5th Law applies here.

[Crazy]

Don't like that post where she said her vote was pure OMGUS because votes don't really matter. Yeah.

k, have fun being wrong. Also, thoughts on Tar's BS case?

Meh, it's all about whether you agree with IIoA or not. Since he does, I don't find it scummy, because the case does fit with that scum-tell at least.

[Crazy]

Fair nuff. But do you agree with IIoA, especially in a setting with different mechanics from a normal game?

In this case, I do agree with it.

a. This game is incredibly simple, and the setup really doesn't need that much discussion.
b. It surprises me that anyone joins a game without knowing some basic things about the game, such as it being useless for scum to give another scum a bomb. That's the thing you'd think of before the game even started.

[Crazy]

Crazy- Do you think then that the people asking setup questions are scum faking stupidity?

I believe it's a good possibility. Iron Man is the worst case in this game, asking if there were any lynches in this game. I'd vote him, but since he's not on DGB's list, I'll

FoS

him.

[Crazy]

I believe it's a good possibility. Iron Man is the worst case in this game, asking if there were any lynches in this game. I'd vote him, but since he's not on DGB's list, I'll FoS him.

Ok, well, you are sold on me. Any particular reason why NOT the others?

I don't like the others either.

[Crazy]

Why? You know, you can't just be like "kk, forbiddan is doing this, I don't care about anyone else. I'll just say they look bad and hope no one notices"

I thought the question was "Out of this list, who would you execute." If I was the King, I'd pick Iron Man over you, but he's not on that list.

[Crazy]

I thought the question was "Out of this list, who would you execute." If I was the King, I'd pick Iron Man over you, but he's not on that list.

No, my question is, what are your thoughts on the others in that list. You've never listed them far as I can tell, you've just focused on me and my IIoA supposedly.

It's not zero content that I'm worried about. This is right at the beginning of the game, and some people are bound to have zero content. It's the people that are asking really obvious questions.

[Crazy]

You are evading my question. I think you should answer it or you look suspect.

Most of the people on your list have just done little content so far. I expect them to post content eventually, but now that's not the problem. If any of those people seem to have asked dumb questions to avoid looking like scum, then I'll be suspicious of them. Right now I don't feel like looking through those people to see if any of them have done that, though. However, I am suspicious of Iron Man and you.

[Crazy]

Yeah, I didn't like my last post either.

[Crazy]

What's stoofer's 5th law? And who is an alt, BM?

Don't ask. Crazy is a Stoofer alt. Any mention of that guy puts me in a bad mood.

BM

Sigged.

[Crazy]

Btw, Stoofer's 5th Law says that if BM is still alive on Day 3, then he's probably scum.

I'm pretty sure it's at least partly a joke.

[Crazy]

So you were basically wishing him dead, or something?

Yes. In a joking/random type way.

[Crazy]

I'm not Stoofer.

Crazy- any response to the concerns I raised about your post?

Yeah, that post was a lazy post. I didn't really feel like rereading stuff.

The only reason I picked Forbiddan over anyone else was because she is my top pick of the four people that DGB posted.

[Crazy]

Why'd you go after Iron man then?

I was making a point that I wasn't suspicious of Forbiddan, only. And Iron Man was the only person that stuck out in my memory.

[Crazy]

M4yhem's defense of whomever it was (Bat, I think?) seems weird. Questioning a confirmed town is not a risky move in the least, and it's not really helpful at all.

[Crazy]

So we have 9 "lynches." We gotta get scum 3 of those times. Not too bad.

Uhh, I thought my case on forbiddan sucked. If anything, I thought people would vote me for that.

Iron Man was in my first newbie game. That's probably why I noticed him.

[Crazy]

Uhh, I thought my case on forbiddan sucked. If anything, I thought people would vote me for that.

So, may I ask why you are still voting me if your case sucked?

Unvote, Vote Iron Man

then.

[Crazy]

Unvote, Vote:Crazy for lacking integrity and backing off his alleged suspect under pressure.

I never was that suspicious of Forbiddan to be honest. I was just less suspicious of DGB's other choices.

I still wanna kill Iron Man, though. I'd probably put Max at #2, but I haven't looked at this game really in-dephtly yet, so I dunno.

Yes, I do plan on staying under the radar until I can say something decent.. No use in me getting myself lynched, right?

[Crazy]

Unvote, Vote:Crazy for lacking integrity and backing off his alleged suspect under pressure.

I never was that suspicious of Forbiddan to be honest. I was just less suspicious of DGB's other choices.

I still wanna kill Iron Man, though. I'd probably put Max at #2, but I haven't looked at this game really in-dephtly yet, so I dunno.

Yes, I do plan on staying under the radar until I can say something decent.. No use in me getting myself lynched, right?

That's a scum strategy. Suspicion ++.

In order to detect careless Mafias, you usually look for people who seem to stand out in the crowd. So naturally, the first step would be “Act like a crowd”. Don’t try forcibly to shine every game. Don’t see mountains where there are mice. Some players act as though they have to dominate every game, regardless if they have a clue or not. Such behaviour will confuse the other players, possibly making them follow you in vain, possibly making them lynch you and waste precious time.

[Crazy]

Well, that's what I'm planning on doing... as soon as I find some scum.

[Crazy]

Well, that's what I'm planning on doing... as soon as I find some scum.

...there is no 100% scum "found" you have to say "such and such is more likely to be scum," and you should be able to do that now.

I did that already. I'll do it again later.

[Crazy]

When are you going to?

When I get a clue.

What makes you think talking will get you lynched? I'm talking a lot and nobody suspects me. No more than the people who aren't talking, anyway.

If I can do it, so can you.

You haven't been in enough games with me.

[Crazy]

I assume K7 has some weird meta that I do not know of?

I have no idea how you would get any tells from him (saying "kill me" is a null-tell as far as I'm concerned), but if LAL is the plan, then he's the ultimate target.

[Crazy]

BM, why do you now say I'm prob scum? Is it because I said to blow up K7? Given the choice between Tar and K7, I thought K7 was more likely scum. I do agree that opting to be the lynch (in this case to be bombed) is a null tell, BUT opting to do it right after someone else did who has a greater chance of being blown up is a scum tell, imo.

That would only be a scum-tell if saying "blow me up" in other cases would be a town-tell.

[Crazy]

Don't quite follow you there, Crazy...

Okay, here. A scum-tell only fits when you see it being something scum would do. That is, something that helps the scum win condition. If it doesn't help the scum's win condition, then it's not scummy.

These are the 3 things scum wanna do, at least in a single faction game:

1. Get townies lynched.
2. Appear pro-town so you're not lynched.
3. Distance from buddies.

Do K7's actions help any of the above? If saying "blow me up" in any given circumstance is a null-tell, then how does saying it after someone else is getting ready to be blown up be a scum-tell? The only way it could be perceived as one is if saying "blow me up" in a different circumstance is a town-tell.

So I believe this is a contradiction in Batt's logic, if anything.

[Crazy]

I have been in the past 3 or 4 k scope games and im pretty sure when he designed this game he had the vison of people getting the bomb and just blowing random people up.
seriously we should be at like day 4 or 5 by now, dgb blow some one up stop hogging all the fun.

This is Kingmaker, not Bad Idea. We are playing correctly.

[Crazy]

Batt, if throwing yourself in the line of fire isn't perceived as a town-tell under normal circumstances, then there is no scum-oriented reason to do it in these circumstances, which means it's not a scum-tell.

[Crazy]

Vote: Iron Man

for the same reasons, and also he mega-lurked in that other game, and he was scum there.

[Crazy]

Vote: Iron Man for the same reasons, and also he mega-lurked in that other game, and he was scum there.

Link plz?

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8386

[Crazy]

TSS's case on DoS seems really contrived. I don't like it.

[Crazy]

The first point is not hypocrisy because DoS was talking about content, not post number, and the second point doesn't make sense at all.

[Crazy]

Okay. Fair enough.

[Crazy]

What we should do is kill anyone who asks to be killed. If they are town, then good job, you're sabotaging the game. If they're mafia, then they're dead. This is similar to lynch all lurkers. If you make it a rule, lurkers would stop lurking to avoid being killed. Same thing goes for suicidal players.

No, you don't kill him. You tell him, "Post content or prepare to be killed." If K7 doesn't actually play this game, then yes, he's a problem, because he would be useless to the town and there's very little chance he'd ever get a bomb. In that case, it would probably be beneficial to blow him up.

[Crazy]

We already gave suicidals a warning when we got Tar exploded. K7 obviously has no capacity to learn (or he doesn't care).

Unvote, Vote: Battousai

because I hate the idea of killing townies automatically for saying something which may just be a joke. Seems a good way for scum to get innocents killed, there's even a ready made excuse when they flip town: 'oh, he asked for it.'

Coming from the LAL person, this is hypocritical.

Unvote
Vote M4yhem

[Crazy]

I don't see why. There's a difference between lynching people for not scumhunting or providing content and lynching people for making jokes.

Hmm, good point.

Batt, if K7 was regularly scum-hunting, would you be of the same opinion that you are now?

[Crazy]

Lol, TDC's making his own game.

I'll

Unvote, Revote Iron Man

if that's the case, because M4yhem owned that question.

[Crazy]

Both fall under exactly who K7 said he would give the bomb to.

Armlx, no scum team is going to have K7 pick the targets, so I don't think that's saying much.

[Crazy]

Oh, and btw, I plan to reread this game soon and actually post something more than tangent one-liners. Probably tomorrow.

The reason why I said my case on Forbiddan was weak was because I thought it was, but out of DGB's choices, she was my preferred lynch. I didn't really find Tar, BM, or Coron that scummy at all.

[Crazy]

I'd like to note that I believe I mentioned Iron Man before anyone else did. I'm not completely sold on a lynch of him... I really need to re-read.

Busy in Meat World lately; will contribute more soon.

[Crazy]

Dang, I was behind. Now I'm caught up in all my games, except this one, naturally.

Most likely will do something tomorrow. I said that a week ago, but now I've got less stuff I have to do in Meat World.

[Crazy]

This looks like inside knowledge about the scum.

Yeah, it does look like that. That point was referring to that this game is a truly amazing group of players.

I didn't notice that M4yhem said that in your point 3. And all of you got on

my

case for going after Iron Man?

[Crazy]

Fos: Battousai, alvinz95, anyone else who doesn't know how the bomb works.

That's not any different from what I said.

[Crazy]

EBWOP: In spirit, I shall say.

[Crazy]

Crazy is pretty much pulling the definition of scummy lurking here. Posting elsewhere on site, saying he will post here and not, not a lot of content.

I agree with this. Upgrading this game a couple of priority spots.

[Crazy]

Here's the results of my reread of the first ten pages, which I did... just now. I'll reread the rest another day. If these 10 pages were all I had, I'd support an alvinz lynch first, and a Coron lynch second.

Unvote, Vote Alvinz

just so my opinion is clear.



Page 1: Mainly DGB-BM banter... nothing real scummy. Small mark on Forbiddan for regretting the night-kill (

Mark grows smaller as I read on, noticing several

other players doing this

)

Page 2: Jex actually knows what she signed up for! (#27) Way-to-conspicuous question from Iron Man in #30; was what I had brought up before. A bunch of

randomness

Page 3: I don't get the purpose of BM's question in #50. Armlx is too serious. I don't see anything that's "feigned ignorance" about Batt's #59. Especially if you notice

people that are showing more "feigned ignorance" than Batt. I think Forbiddan's #65 was actually a real question, and she just hadn't thought about how pointless it

was before she posted. Alvinz's #69 and Batt's #71 aren't bad either, because that stuff wasn't explicitly said in the rules.

Page 4: Useless Iron Man comment (#75). Tar's IIoA vote on Forbiddan (#83) is... odd. I'm thinking he was half-joking. BM's post #88 is incorrect, since as the

game goes on, the scum will base their bomb targets on game information, not on meta. Good post by M4yhem in #91. Max's #94 asks a bunch of questions that

already have been asked, but I think it notes more that he just didn't read the game yet. M4yhem is a good mediator between BM and armlx. (#99)

Page 5: #100 shows Max

definitely

didn't read. Coron's #105 is pure crap. I'm surprised that DoS ignored it. I have no idea why I voted Max in #109 (not

thinking), and I'm not sure how I was home at 1:44 PM Thursday either. #111 is a good post by Haschel. Terrible explanation by Coron in #112. Armlx

AGREES

in #114?! BM is right in #115 and #124.

Page 6: Stupid post by me in #126. BM is still right (wow). Coron backs off of his M4yhem FoS. M4yhem's questioning is good. Coron's #137 actually eases my

suspicion of him slightly, since it shows that his comment was intended to be minuscule. Armlx seems to have a "give the scum no information" outlook. This is kind of

pointless; anytime we post any suspicions, we're giving the scum information. But in the long run, more information will help the town. (Also, by the middle of this

page, the BM/Coron argument is getting rather pointless)

Page 7: Coron's #158 is a good attitude towards lurkers. Between that and M4yhem's #99, that's my opinion. Forbiddan's #160 gives me a town vibe. DGB's

attitude towards bussing makes me laugh (#162), and she does a good job of avoiding tunnel vision. BM continues to own this game, although I disagree in #174 that

a Max-kill is a good idea. Also, you

can

get information from a lurker-lynch, as long as it's not done immediately as the Day dawns. (You know I"ll cite

M4yhem's #99 again)

Page 8: Respone to Armlx's #177: The people who support or oppose the policy lynch is information. Batt's #194 is either a sign of scum or lack-of-interest. DoS's

#198 is okay.

Page 9: I'm surprised Armlx agrees with DoS, since DoS favored killing a lurker, pretty much. What the? Alvinz didn't read the sign-up rules? (#219) Who doesn't

read the sign-up rules when they join a large theme?! I don't know how I missed that post before. First post that I've seen by Twomz (#224)... and he has an

apathetic tone.

Page 10: That is not a contradiction that Armlx pointed out in #225. I agree with most of TSS's opinions in #226, except perhaps the Max-blow-up. I can't say I

agree with IIoA this early in the game, but now I'm surprised Tar still got blown up after #229. BM's post #248 is... stupid.

[Crazy]

What the heck? You guys get on by back to contribute and NOW YOU ARE VOTING ME SINCE I DID?!!!!!! That's bogus? What would I do as town? NOT CONTRIBUTE WHEN SOMEONE ASKS ME TO?!!!!

Yeah, I'll do more analysis later. Do you think my vote is gonna cause a hammer, guys? If I didn't vote, I'm sure you'd find THAT suspicious TOO!

Alvinz, why the heck did you sign up for a large theme game without reading the rules? NOBODY DOES THAT!!!!!!! You are lying. So

that

is why I think you are scum.

That

is why I voted Iron Man in the first place, and

that

is why I am voting you.

[Crazy]

Strawman. Your contribution was bullshit

Yeah, so I'm crap at mafia. I did a page-by-page analysis and I came up with a couple suspicions. Isn't that what I'm supposed to do?

You have 2 days. Later isn't your luxury

Sorry, I had no idea about the deadline until just now. I'll do my best and (hopefully) come up with some more stuff tomorrow.

I would! I tend to be remiss about rule reading unless something important seems to be in them.

I don't mean the

rules

, as in deadlines/prods/votes/whatever. I mean, do you sign up for a game without even knowing what it's about at all? When you signed up for this game, you didn't think "Oh, that sounds like a cool idea, /in" or did you think you were signing up for Bad Idea, or Lights Out?

[Crazy]

What the heck? You guys get on by back to contribute and NOW YOU ARE VOTING ME SINCE I DID?!!!!!! That's bogus? What would I do as town? NOT CONTRIBUTE WHEN SOMEONE ASKS ME TO?!!!!

Yeah, I'll do more analysis later. Do you think my vote is gonna cause a hammer, guys? If I didn't vote, I'm sure you'd find THAT suspicious TOO!

Alvinz, why the heck did you sign up for a large theme game without reading the rules? NOBODY DOES THAT!!!!!!! You are lying. So

that

is why I think you are scum.

That

is why I voted Iron Man in the first place, and

that

is why I am voting you.

Omg panic attack!

As again stated: All there was for the "rules" was, scum give townie a bomb and townie blows up shit, not much!

Again stating: Your whole case is that I asked 1-2 questions on how the game works, which is totally scummy. And no Iron Man didn't ask a question about the game, which means YOU are lying.

I've had enough. Ridiculous play, lying about me lying, talking about something long clarified before, and hopping on my wagon with little basis. And active lurking.

Unvote, Vote: Crazy

A panic attack is either real, in which case it's town, or it's faked, in which case it's scum. Scum don't have panic attacks.

So you think I shouldn't vote you because you only posted 1 or 2 times in my analysis? Huh? Is that what you're saying?

Iron Man did ask a question. Why the heck would I vote him if I didn't. Read his ___ing posts.

I had no idea you were being wagoned. I was under the impression that Batt was the wagon.

You don't think that

you're

active lurking?

I'm mad. Because if I had lurked the rest of the day, I wouldn't be lynched. Now I will be.

[Crazy]

Smash my computer monitor against Alvinz's head

[Crazy]

Not when your page-by-page analysis only covers the first third of the game.

That took me over an hour, for your information. I don't have time to spend my whole day playing mafia.

[Crazy]

Forbiddan, about the rules thing, I'm less suspicious of you than of alvinz, since IIRC your question had at least some merit, while Alvinz said that he didn't read the rules at all.

1. Town people don't have "panic" attacks they have "frustration" attacks. Scum panic when they finally get called upon for being scummy, while townies get frustrated.

I panic more often when under suspicion as town than scum it seems. Mostly experience from other sites, though my town meta here supports this as well. I don't agree with this, but this is personal experience more than anything concrete.

I will swear by the fact that I have never had any emotional strain playing as scum. I have faked it, but I've never had it for real.

[Crazy]

You're not the bomb... and anyway, I'm not familiar with the "bomb" in mafia, and

I didn't bother to read the sign-up rules.

My vote was in response to that, alvinz. I understand the rules aren't entirely clear, but

that

is what you said.

[Crazy]

Pages 11-20:

, which I'm sure posting this will just get me lynched. Posting the rest of the page-by-page analysis by deadline is my goal.

I started writing this after post #909. Since if I'm going to be lynched, I want to be able to say that I actually put some effort into this game.

Page 11: DGB's assertion that IIoA is WIFOM is ridiculous. Not a bad Max-post (#257). M4yhem sees the light again. BM's spamming again. More apathy from Twomz in #264, and I still don't know what that means. Armlx is correct in #265. BM is full of crap in #272. And more BM vs. Coron garbage.

Page 12: I'm still struck by Forbiddan's #277. Sometimes I find it terribly scummy, and other times it's an appropriate defense. "Slip" discussion is still crap; CORON DID NOT CLAIM SCUM. I don't like how Forbiddan underestimates the ability of votes in #292, and I'm not sure why she thinks Tar is pushing a mislynch on her; she's hardly in the lead of votes as far as I see.

Page 13: I really don't like Batt using "cluttering the thread" as a reason for a vote, but the rest of his post about the hypotheticalness is good (#302). My case on Forbiddan is mediocre, although I knew it at the time; obviously I hadn't actually read or I'd be FoS'ing alvinz instead of Iron Man. And... wow, Forbiddan's #315 is incredibly enlightening about the IIoA when she lists the other players, and is making me reconsider my own opinion. But still, I think alvinz is the worst case of all of those, since he explicitly said that HE DID NOT READ THE SIGN-UP RULES. And I can't see anyone for the life of me not doing that. Batt's last paragraph in #324 = WTH?

(Also, I didn't see anything wrong with DoS's post.)

Page 14: M4yhem went back to the age-old question of "Why would scum bomb DGB" in #326. Why? Also, this is the page where BM thinks I'm Stoofer. And... nothing else I find interesting on this page.

Page 15: BAD BATT, asking DGB who should be blown up. He just jumped up a little on my list for that. TDC's case on Coron actually seems a bit weak, but that's pointless now since TDC is confirmed. Alvinz active lurking #359, which is what he's accusing me of doing. He's also accusing me of being hypocritical. How funny. (

To BM: I didn't mean to offend you, btw.

) Cool post by Jex. TSS is sharp and to-the-point; I like him. M4yhem keeps bringing up points against me, which I find to be a town-tell.

Page 16: Terrible Batt post for #375. Continues to question DGB (who's confirmed), and then bandwagons Max, abandoning his suspicion of BM. I have no idea why in the world M4yhem thinks questioning a confirmed townie is a pro-town sign... (it's not; it let's people slide out of making their own cases) #380 is false; DGB isn't going to explode on anybody that asks her a question. Twomz's post #385 shows lack of attention more than scumminess (mainly due to him forgetting DGB's candidates). Max's #390 doesn't sound good, since asking the confirmed townie a question doesn't actually count as contributing.

(Also, I don't get the big point about "Max asks questions that have already been asked. To me, that shows more lack of attention than actual scum-ness.)

Page 17: I still agree with what I said in #406. I can't tell what Coron and DGB are talking about, but I doubt it's useful... M4yhem uses the best incorrect logic I have ever seen in the first point of #409. And... how is Batt semi-cleared? Did I miss something? I can agree with Forbiddan that "woe and alas" is a crap-tell unless if you're playing with newbies. M4yhem voting Coron after saying he was pro-town this whole game rings my scum-dar quite a lot. As for me, I don't really understand what TSS was getting at.

Max's notes are pretty flimsy, yet so are mine, I guess.

And a good post by M4yhem about LAL.

Page 18: Nothing interesting at all. Twomz doesn't like the voting mechanic... so he votes for all of the four...

Page 19: Alvinz's post #450 is weak, since Max did post some analysis. Twomz's speech #452 gives me a town vibe, strangely. It just seems... not faked. (Although, I disagree with him) Haschel's post #461 is one of the best so far in the game, mainly for actually questioning the case on Tar. Max's #474 is actually

good

, despite me thinking it was OMGUS earlier.

Page 20: The only thing I have to note is that TDC was at the top of DGB's list, and that's who the scum picked.

[Crazy]

And, although scum-hunting is one motivation for posting that, I believe my abilities as town are absymal compared to most others, so that wasn't the only reason I posted that.

See, the thing that offends me most is when someone accuses me of lurking, and I absolutely won't stand for that. I want to be able to pride myself on being an active, reliable player. One of my goals is to never have to be replaced in a game due to inactivity. So if I'm being lynched, I want it to be for something I

said

, rather than what I didn't say.

[Crazy]

Personally I don't like it when people post long ass analysis. I know most scum can't be bothered, but they are just annoying to read.

So, crazy, why don't you post a nice tidy list of your top suspects and the guys you think are town, with reasons you think so, instead?

I agree. I usually don't read analyses like what I post, anyway. But I was in such a desperate need to reread that I didn't really have any opinions. And for goodness sakes, I needed to post

something

. Now I have some opinions, of course but they're only based on the first 20 pages. So, I'll start work on what you said after I finish rereading, if I'm alive, of course.

And once I'm invested into a game, I usually post frequently (sometimes I'm even up to BM's standard). So believe me, once I catch up, I'll be posting

way

more than Alvinz.

Batt: It's only scummy in the way that it's not useful. Can you tell me why you felt the need to ask DGB stuff?

[Crazy]

That, and he's asking for more time.... right before the deadline. Convenient.

Make sense. I didn't know about any deadline until yesterday. And even if I was scum, I would have posted my analysis before now anyway, since posting it now just puts a bunch of pressure on me.

OMG WIFOM, right? Uhh, no. Think. Why am I scum, armlx? Because I just posted content? Because I joined way too many games and forgot about the deadline here?

And why did Iceman have to replace into this game? He aggravated me in Open 86.

[Crazy]

Here's a list to WIFOM you, right?: Because EVERYTHING in a game of mafia is WIFOM, eh armlx?

One side is scum and one side is town. You can figure that out, I'm sure.

2. alvinz95
8. Battousai
4. Coron
9. springlullaby (Iron Man)
5. Max
3. Twomz
10. armlx
7. DragonsofSummer
19. forbiddanlight
12. the silent speaker
16. Haschel Cedricson
20. Battle Mage
6. M4yhem

Ignored K7 and PokerFace, because I haven't read far enough to get anything from them.

I'll try to do another 10 pages now. Seriously, if I was scum, why would I be giving you guys tons of content right before I'm lynched?

[Crazy]

Crazy: How is something not useful indicitive of being more likely coming from scum than town. This is similar to anti-town =/= scum. To answer your question, if you look back you would see my reasoning, which was basically to get DGB to say who she felt was the scummiest, which would add quite a bit of pressure onto the person she suspects. I really wanted her to put some pressure on someone to see how they react under the circumstances.

That's bogus, though. She was doing that already... with her small posts of "I think I'm getting ready to blow up..."

[Crazy]

And why did Iceman have to replace into this game? He aggravated me in Open 86.

Hey now, let's leave our history behind.

Yeah, and since you were scum, I guess that's okay.

[Crazy]

Fair enough point, Batt, I just don't agree with you.

I don't know why I made that list, since I wasn't really done with my reread. If I had done it now, I'd probably put Twomz a little more scummy and armlx a little more townie.

More stuffz (time taken for this one - about 2 and a half hours):

I could do the last part tonight if I stayed up a little later. Day 3, if I survive, I'd post a player-by-player analysis thingy. Seriously, this is the most content I've ever posted in any mafia game.

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I like this page because everyone is accusing alvinz.

Why the heck are armlx and Coron buddying up to each other? Forbiddan is right about Alvinz, although unfortunately it just shows he was lazy about his analysis. And that's pretty much a null-tell. (Type while you read, btw)

Tunnel vision in #508! Rereading is to catch the stuff that you

missed

. You skimmed over the wrong parts.

Max is still right.

Eww, I said Max was my #2? Dang, I have no idea what I was on.

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I have already said why I don't like Batt's posts during this section, saying that K7 is playing "chicken."

And then BM hits the nail on the head. (K7 is prob town; Batt is prob scum)

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Not sure what this means:

Tar was more or less a lurker lynch till his last post. If he wants to make that bluff, I say call it.

M4yhem, forbiddan, and Coron ask for the bomb. I'm fairly sure it's a null-tell.

K7 is drunk. I find it very funny that he proved that Tar was not an SK.

DoS doesn't get the joke in #570.

Max, why is asking for the bomb a scum-tell?

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BM agrees with me about Batt's thing. Why does he FoS/unFoS M4yhem? No idea.

I don't understand Max's #580.

I'm starting to think that Batt believed what he was saying about K7, though obviously I don't agree with it. I dunno, his reasons seem genuine.

Day 1 ends.

Page 25:

Twomz talks WIFOM, and strangely says nothing in #604.

Forbiddan votes Iron Man. Wasn't she opposed to LAL? Or do I not recall correctly?

Apparently Iron Man always lurks, and since he was replaced, I guess it means nothing. Alvinz is a better target anyway.

Max is doing more of the same in what way?

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Twomz's vote is lame. His D2 behavior so far is making him go up a couple spots on my scumlist.

I agree with TDC's matter of doing stuff in #628 100%.

Batt uses hypothetical variables in #629 instead of using names.

Minor scum-tell.

Pff, nevermind, #631 and #639 explain it.

I doubt the validity of the whole "attacking player x when player y is doing the same thing" deal, since with a game this large, it's more than probable that the person in question just didn't notice.

I still agree with Max's vote on alvinz. Alvinz was using an excuse to bandwagon. #644 is terrible logic, though, even though Max was semi-joking there.

Go BM! If he's scum in this game, I'm seriously gonna quit playing mafia for a while.

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Yeah, nothing much on this page:

So you say. But since you didn't quote any posts or even cite them as evidence, it's hard to tell. Your cases against Crazy and Armlx wouldn't exactly be hard to make up.

And again, you're voting for Max, you suspect Max, you're not going after your other suspects at all (Armlx ignored your case on him) so what's the point of rereading, except so that you can say you did?

Classes are canceled tomorrow, and unless my GF demands 100% of my time I should be able to do a reread and a full (hopefully content filled) post.

OMG Twomz is talking about his Godfather! Mafia!

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Okay, got my opinion on K7 now:

He's in here just to joke around. I wouldn't classify him as a lurker; I'd classify him as a joke. He'll probably get lynched eventually as soon as someone gets tired of him, but don't expect me to actually discern whether he's scum or not, since that's pretty irrelevant.

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Armlx uses good logic involving K7. I'm not sure what my opinion is upon lynching him; it's just a problem I'll worry about if I become the bomb (which would be really cool, btw... scum gimme the bomb??).

Armlx uses the "W" word in #707. It sounds like WIFOM, but it's not, because I don't think K7 cares what happens to his side.

Batt wants K7 to die... badly. Why?

TDC's deadline rules (#718) were rather pointless, but with those votes where they are, I'd like it... since 3 of my top suspects are on that list, and if so I wouldn't be the vote-leader right now. Meh.

#723 is incorrect. Scum will give the bomb to people who normally wouldn't be blown up. I'm sure that's why they gave it to TDC, anyway.

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The thing is, I take asking to be blown up as not being a joke and used by people who want out of a game they don't have time for or getting into it. I really don't see anything wrong with it.

What? And you want to blow up K7? Why? So we can

WARN

the townies?

Poker's post isn't terrible. Not sure what to think, yet.

Like I said, I'm not going to discuss this and direct the scum team any further.

I don't like when armlx makes common sense become "the forbiddan topic." Yeah, discussing whom you think is scum will help the scum? Do we avoid doing that?

Post #745: Actually, Batt would be more screwed if everyone went for TDC's deadline. It would be more suspicious if someone that wasn't garnering votes was in favor of it.

[Crazy]

Yeah, discussing whom you think is scum will help the scum?

No, that is not the intent at all. I'd rather not direct scum NK strategy was my point.

Yeah, I get ya. That comment was probably just a small annoyance from a past game (you know which one).

[Crazy]

No time to finish analysis, if TDC's deadline clock is correct.

Twomz wouldn't be a bad choice. Probably good to look at him more closely tomorrow.

Still a little upset that I was bandwagoned mainly because I posted the first 10 pages of my reread before the rest of it. Ah well.

See ya.

[Crazy]

Still a little upset that I was bandwagoned mainly because I posted the first 10 pages of my reread before the rest of it. Ah well.

You were wagoned before that...

Yeah, 'cuz I was lurking?

What else you got?

[Crazy]

Bah.

(Go town.)

[Crazy]

Hmm, I suppose Kingmaker games are especially susceptible to lurking, without the real ability to vote and such.

Well, I didn't really follow the game much after I died, but I didn't really see either Haschel or Max as scum. Well done.