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This is not LAL for someone who lied about his role, this is lynching obvious scum who fakeclaims a power role in a desperate ploy to save his skin.
FOS: everyone who unvoted xtoxm
I'm pretty sure there are some scum partners in the mix of that.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.- Albert B. Rampage
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You wanna know why? Fine. FINE.
BECAUSE IM A DAYCOP. COUNTER-CLAIM, THERE YA GO. IM CID HIGHWIND.
I haven't used my ability yet..
Now..who's claim is more believable?? Fucking Cid who appears in every FF7 game, or some german philosopher???Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.- Albert B. Rampage
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I can just imagine a scenario where armlx turns up SK or something and scumbag X here gets doc protect til endgame for the mafia win. Or I claim day 2 and you lynch me instead.
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in the aftermath of the airship battles where the Sierra is severely damaged, cid uses his knowledge of high-tier technology to build a spec scope that can detect abnormal levels of mako energy (jenova cells?) in their bloodstream. he can only use this once a day.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.- Albert B. Rampage
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In the aftermath of the airship battle where the Sierra is severely damaged, cid uses his knowledge of high-tier technology to build a special scope that can detect creatures with abnormal levels of mako energy (jenova cells?) in their bloodstream. He can only use this once a day.*Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.- Albert B. Rampage
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I find it quite amusing that you suspect thatXtoxm wrote:Iam, ABR has a history of fake-claiming as town.
I think this is not a real claim, and he's jsut doing this out of stubborn-ness for not believing me.
And even if he is, claiming for no reason like that and outing himself is silly.
If we are both real, I would suspect sanity issues etc, but I really don't think he's telling the truth.Ihave sanity issues, when the exact same thing could be said for you IF you were a real daycop. Why would a townie automatically assume that he's sane and the other person is lying ?
And I bet you my ship there ain't two daycops in a game like this.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.- Albert B. Rampage
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Same. My PM implies that I detect scum.Xtoxm wrote:
Anytime during the day, before a lynch has been reached. I get the result right away. (With mod delay obv)- Both of you: When can you send in the target of your investigation, and when do you get the result?
Cop yes, scum no, though I find it hard to believe Shinra =/= Scum.- Does it, anywhere in your roles, explicitly state that you detect scum and/or that you are cops?
Well other than the Daytime thing, not that comes to mind no.- Are there any other restrictions or defining features that can help distinguish your role from "normal" cops and/or someone faking? Not counting formatting or anything else you shouldn't be quoting.
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Yeah, voting Xtom is the best choice.
Games have been won without a cop, and lost with a cop. I don't even like cops because there are always godfathers in large games.
Let's just catch a confirmed scum (xtoxm).
Cavebear: mako. From what I remember in the game though, the baddies have jenova cells in them.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.- Albert B. Rampage
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Note that my role pm doesn't say "you may target a player and I will reply with either a guilty or an innocent" or something to that effect. It is a direct, definite and succinct as can be. Xtoxm is scum, point blank period.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.- Albert B. Rampage
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What do you think about this logic, wolf ?
How does this affect your views of Xtoxm ?Cavebear with a toothache wrote:Hmm. Xtoxm's behaviour has been erratic to say the least (claiming day cop with instant investigation and a guilty on your wagon in a pressured situation really sounds bad) but, since ABR apparently has almost the same role, seems believable to me. The odds of hitting scum on your own wagon like that is probably pretty low, esp. if there are two scum groups and you can only find one, but what are the odds that he's faking a day cop role that targets different baddies than the other day cop but have a similar pm and the same instant investigation? If he just got that out of thin air, I'll be very impressed indeed. As for Bugenhagen being cop, a) I'd pretty much expect him to have some sort of information role (or maybe being an inventor or something), b) it's really no weirder IMO than Cid being one. I'd expect Bugenhagen to be in the game as well.
All that being said:
Vote: armlx.
ABR: Since this is based on you not faking your claim, I'd very much like to know if you ARE faking your claim after all in some misguided attempt to get Xtoxm lynched. Just saying.
It doesn't matter who you like or who you believe, what matters is who you think is SCUM. That is also what I want to know.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.- Albert B. Rampage
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I wouldn't exchange two mafia lives for a single cop's.MrBuddyLee wrote:
Well, now the question is.. would ABR suicide as scum to kill the town cop investigating his scumteam?Albert B. Rampage wrote:I wasted my investigation on Xtoxm. He is scum. Confirmed.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.- Albert B. Rampage
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Take it up with Xtoxm.MrBuddyLee wrote:Albert, you're an idiot. I hope all decent mods decide to ban you from their games in the future, because fakeclaiming a cop with a guilty on D1 is about as unbalancing and game-wrecking as you can get. Have some respect, man.
And/or die as the scum you are.
Haughty fool, the only one who made that argument was Cavebear, and I resolved that situation by saying I "investigated" Xtoxm:Yosarian2 wrote:...so, that's it, Albert? You're saying you fakeclaimed cop just because you didn't believe his fake cop claim? And you couldn't, just, like say that?
Especally after it became clear that people mostly believed his claim because your claim was similar?
Cavebear with a toothache wrote:Either way... My argument for voting armlx is pretty much gone. I now honestly believe the most likely explanation is that they're both lying. If not ABR, at least Xtoxm is lying about something, be it being a cop and/or being town. In either case:
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Vote: Xtoxm
blablabla you would have given the same speech to Xtoxm if we lynched a town armlx...and then you would lynch Xtoxm today and we would have wasted two days for nothing just the same, all the while I'm facepalming this predictable succession of events.wolframnhart wrote:I wouldn't believe any claim he gave anyways, just like i didn't believe his original claim. ABR there was no reason for you to do that, and the fact that you seem proud that you did it and got a townie lynched is just dumb. If you do turn scum then I will look at Armlx tomorrow because maybe, just maybe, Xtoxm was right and just guessed on who really was scum and you decided to save your partner (who might not have been in trouble anyways since people had a hard time believing Xtoxm anyways) by counter claiming. This is probably the least likely of scenarios but i will definitely look at it if you turn scum.
If you don't turn scum, then you are just plain stupid and ruined Day one and Day two (assuming you turn town with your lynch).
At worse, my fake-claim changes nothing and at best I catch a lying scumbag. In the middle I save you from another townie lynch because I have the reputation to make this play and the metagame on my side, contrary to Xtoxm.
It was a good play.
There was zero, absolutelyzerochance that he was in fact a dayvig; having most of the town based their votes on the presumption that he was telling the truth was frustrating to those who knew better.
If you're voting me out of bitterness, you are weak, and I pity you.
I don't claim until I reach L-1. Yes, I am Cid.
Here are the signals that tipped me off Xtoxm was lying:
1)Bugenhagen would either be a vanilla townie or a scum safe claim.
2)Xtoxm claimed vanilla thinking people would go after bigger fish, but when they didn't he lied and tried to get armlx lynched.
3)He put off answering flavor questions for an unacceptable amount of time.
4)He "investigated" in the random voting stage.
5)The rarity of the daycop role coupled with the disparity in the way he acted.
Now, who mostly lies about their role ? Scum and ABR, that's who. And since Xtoxm is not me, the chances are very high that he be scum. At any rate Xtoxm was a way better lynch than armlx, who strangely, Xtoxm gave no case against.
I find the argument that armlx may actually be scum (with me no less) quite laughable, because where is the evidence???
Xtoxm arbitrarily chose one of his aggressors to fake a claim against. What makes you think his personal opinion trumps solid evidence?
Anyone remember this episode ? ^^^Xtoxm wrote:Armlx's attack against me is just pathetic.
Unvote Vote Armlx
Atleast iLord sounds kinds genuine about it.
Counter-claimed ? I haven't even claimed yet.MrBuddyLee wrote:Fuck.unvote
Albert, you're a moron, but I won't vote for you unless you're counterclaimed.
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No, I am the real Cid. I do want to win, you know.
If I had to fake-claim as scum and out a power role I'd claim Cloud daycop of Vincent vig.
No Yosarian, I would have admitted I lied on day 2, claiming the ABR Gambit.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.- Albert B. Rampage
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Anyway the whole "ABR might not be the real Cid" argument is retarded. If there was a real Cid that was not me, he would have thought, "hey ABR must be scum with armlx and he's going after our daycop". Then I'd be lynched.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.- Albert B. Rampage
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The proof is in the pudding guys. Xtoxm lied about his role and his investigation as a town-motivated player. I share that same win condition.
I don't think Yosarian can be town this game, because a town Yosarian would obviously know how I play from 10+ games of experience with me lying through my teeth as town to get scum busted.
If you have played with me before, you are either scum or fucked up, because everybody knows my meta:
When I play seriously, I am always scum.
When I play batshit crazy, its because I'm town.
You would think that I would eventually take advantage of this meta, but NO. After 50+ games, I've always done the same thing over and over because it WORKS. The argument "wow Albert hasn't attempted anything this game, that's suspicious" will NEVER get me lynched, and that's why I NEVER pull a crazy gambit as mafia or SK; I play it cool and act rational.
Now I know Yosarian knows this, and the fact that he invents reasons to attack me must mean that he's very likely scum.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.- Albert B. Rampage
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Safe, Yosarian, is not counter-claiming a day-cop, because if that person really is one, you get vigged. Hell, if that person is town, you get vigged, with no doc protect. Are you suggesting I am a bulletproof scum, Yosarian?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.- Albert B. Rampage
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So rare that it is completely implausible for Xtoxm to be one. But with posts like these,
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Ok, so tell me why we should lynch Xtox given the chance he might really be a daycop that played badly? It's not a high chance, but there's also the fact that at worst we lose a townie (hopefully not a PR) and at best Xtox is bussing for the long run.lol some people are way too gullible.
Confirm vote: Xtoxm
one would come to think that the town needs a little push over the cliff to lynch a confirmed liar and possible scum. The SK argument against me would come up whether or not Xtoxm was scum, so that argument is void and meaningless. You are as likely SK as me, as it stands.kloud1516 wrote:FoS: xtoxmI will go back and point out exactly what posts I do not like, which will most likely parallel posts already quoted by others, but I feel it would be beneficial for me to do so anyways.
At the moment, I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and see whether or not your day cop claim is true by going along with the suggestion of lynching either you or armlx. I would much rather not risk losing a power role so early in the game, and so I willl
vote: armlx
From my read, I also dislike the way DyanamoIX jumped on Xtoxm:
This, after an unvote, seems pretty wishy washy, non-committal and irresponsible come day 2.DynamoXI wrote:Well, I did want X to come back to answer the last few questions for us, but as it seems now (to me and to everyone else) he was confrimed lying and ABR says he is confrimed scum. If nobody else wants to Ill hammer him, or Ill just wait till he gets back before I place another vote onto him.
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See for yourself:Yosarian2 wrote:As for the "when scum you play it safe" meta, that might be true; I haven't seen you enough times as scum to know if it is or not. Do you play it safe as SK? Because, IMHO, "playing it safe" a SK is actually a bad idea, since a SK has a hard time winning unless he takes some big risks.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... ht=#671575
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I certainly don't claim cop or counter-claim anyone as SK.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.- Albert B. Rampage
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Didn't think it would happen unless I forced the hand of fate, considering the number of people who were hesitant to vote for the claimed daycop.Yosarian2 wrote:Oh, I get it...misunderstood your post. You're saying that the reason it wasn't safe was that Xtoxm might have been telling the truth, and then you might get vigged or lynched for lying and getting the cop killed? Ok, that's probably true; but the odds of xtoxm not lying there seem small.
I guess I don't see what you stand to gain making that fake claim as town. When I've seen you make fakeclaims as town before, it's always been for a good reason; like, "I wanted the scum to target me because I'm a bulletproof townie" or something. Getting Xtoxm lynched, when, as you say, you might have been wrong, and when it might have happened anyway, dosn't seem like much of a gain; I mean, you didn't even really TRY to get him lynched normally first; you could have at least made all the arguments you made today, and then fakeclaimed if that didn't work.
So, again; could you explain why you thought that was the right move for you to do as town?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.- Albert B. Rampage
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Seems pretty wishy-washy to me dude.kloud1516 wrote:I have NOT been trying to push this wagon. I placed my vote and gave reasons for doing so, but at no point thus far have I encouraged others to place their votes on ABR. When a player commented on my reasoning, I responded to it, so your claim of me pushing the ABR wagon is utterly ridiculous.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.- Albert B. Rampage
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