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So are you seeing similarities from your last time with her? What do you conclude from tris' behaviour here?In post 53, Mizzytastic wrote:And now I remember where the scum read that became the flashwagon started...
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Ah, that's good. I skimmed the game you were linking a bit and thought her tone there is pretty similar to what she has displayed here so far, at least it just seems to be her nature. So I agree with it being nai. Why slightly scum? Do you think she changed her approach a bit after you mentioned it?In post 71, Mizzytastic wrote: Yep, both the vote jumpy RVS and not being helpful when pressured for explanations. I think she said that game she always plays RVS like that but I'm too sleepy and phone posting to check right now. It's probably NAI, maybe slightly scum sided cos once i mentioned it she could play it up to look like that game.
You got any reads from her or the surrounding interactions? I'm getting a bit of a tonal town read from EchoVision, and I'm curious how Alch responds now there are votes there.
No, not really. If anything I think your interaction with tris looked natural, probably no svs at least. It's more an gut impression.- Testarossa
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Yeah. So what do you think of the wagon on tris? Are you town/null on tris and do you think the tris voters are legit with their votes? Why don't you want to go there?In post 78, Alchemist21 wrote:
Nah, don’t think I will.In post 76, EchoVision wrote:alc vote tris with us- Testarossa
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I am probably reaching here a lot, but I get very minimalistic townie vibes from Gamma for 80. As I was in the same game I had the same déjà vu and spent some thought about it if it was coincidence or could have meant anything and I feel you might be chew as townie more likely about it openly.- Testarossa
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Mh, I might have an idea why you might think so I guess, but why do you think so? Do you think she overplayed her careless attitude with that?
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Eh, maybe I will add some words to this before going to sleep.
Kind of triggered by 75. Can't really say why it does, if phrasing or tone, I don't know. It just feels like the type of post that I see so often early from scum, Reminded me a bit of scumRaya in my first game here.
However I think 84 comes across as an alibi post that was made for the sake of it. I feel like he is focussing on the wrong thing regarding Echo with asking why he repeatedly votes tris and not why he is so cool with the wagon on her to begin with. He didn't seem to care much about it anyway as Echo ignored it and Alch didn't followed up on it either.- Testarossa
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What does it mean to you that he is always voting tris again?In post 112, Alchemist21 wrote: I think it’s the kind of wagon that forms on people who screw around and people don’t get the joke. Tris’s behavior is probably more likely Town than scum. Will look closer at the voters when I’m not tired; right now all that stands out is the one person voting them 4 times.- Testarossa
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Yes, they could have. I just feel town is more likely dwelling on such a minor detail and loudly thinking about it or trying to figure it out while scum might notice and think about it and just dismiss it or keep in the back of the mind. Hence I said it might be a reach, it's what I think to be more likely.In post 116, tris wrote: what you're saying at the end there is confusing. i don't understand the words.
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Huh, ok. Last time you were troubling with placing me on either side and were more leaning town on me for effort while I got scumread later by others for waffling, being hedgy etc. While I am a connoisseur of waffles, I don't think I have been like that here so far. Why do I remind you of my town game and am less likely to be scum?In post 118, Datisi wrote: - testa is reminding me of them the last game we played together so +town- Testarossa
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Good to see you are also thinking of tris as town (as I do). Can I interest you in voting Alch or where do you have your head at rn?In post 122, Egix96 wrote: I wouldn't really say that's what Tris was doing though, more like... flopping? Idk, I'm reluctant to call it flailing since I agree with your second sentence. If anything, it's Echo who was mucking about by spamvoting her.- Testarossa
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Mh. Not that I disagree, but considering it caught your attention enough to double down on that in 112 it's a little bit anticlimactic. Oh well.
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Rather subjective, firstly I don't like half the wagon on her (mainly Una, who is my second scumlean).In post 132, SirCakez wrote: Talk to me about tris town
Also I don't think her play comes across like coming from a scum agenda. It feels like she genuinely doesn't care how she gets perceived by others and with her recent posts it looks more to me that there is an actual interest in figuring other players' stances out.
While it is to take with a grain of salt I also skimmed a few games after I looked into the game Mizzy linked and I thought it was noticeable that she was as scum more serious out of the gate while she is more loose as town. It's easy to manipulate, but with my overall impression I will just roll with the simple answer here.- Testarossa
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Ah, fair enough. No you weren't, people usually scumread me for that. I might have mistaken you with someone else then, maybe Andres? Doesn't matter anyway, the point is more that I feel the town points came a bit too easy for my liking. If it's just the effort, very well, might give it a pass, although I don't think this is a reliable tell.In post 148, Datisi wrote: /shrug, your posts seemed enough effort which reminded me of the other game. though i'm not sure why you're bringing up waffling? i wasn't townreding you for that at any point, was i?- Testarossa
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Because I was going by the original assumption it was not or at least not just for the effort. If it's just for pure effort I think it might be comparable and you shouldn't really be aware of the latter (I don't have that much site meta), so considering your point of view I don't think it should be something that should be interpreted in your disfavour.In post 154, Datisi wrote: hmm, mind talking about this a bit more? like, if you think the townpoints came too easy, and you also don't think efforting is a reliable tell for you... why are you giving me a pass?- Testarossa
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No, not your vote. Not directly.In post 185, UnaBombaH wrote:I'm a scumlean for voting tris, or..?
I chose to not explain my vote in full just to see what people would make it out to be.
But I do believe my vote was well placed, and townies should be able to see my PoV.
Obviously it's still early in D1, but so far I feel like there has been no reason to move anywhere either.
It's half gut (or I just have yet to warm up with your persona, actually still have to then) the other half is more or less what tris addressed to, it looked like you found a good and easy enough vote to drop for the beginning and call it day without really interacting with tris in order to sort her. By what I got from your later posts now I think you are generally rather passive in that regard and see how things play out?- Testarossa
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Ico's entrance isn't giving me any clear vibes yet. Maybe because he isn't directly picking a fight with someone like last time. I like Datisi questioning his townread on me though, that's actually the one read I am not really getting either, unless it was more a gut thing. Not feeling his Gamma read either, I don't think Gamma was that solvey at that point?
The wagon on him was pretty meh. Generally not a fan of pushing people who haven't even checked in and as some pointed out the reasons were rather eehh. To be fair though one could have assumed Ico was lurking, because at least I saw Ico being around in the forum several times, I think even posting elsewhere. But neither Alch nor Gamma mentioned it, so...- Testarossa
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I am liking Nero's push on Gamma, at least I think he truly believes what he is seeing here, so I think this comes from a townie mindset.
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I figure your Alch mindmeld, for which you are townreading him here, is more or less described in 228? I can get why you would think of him as town then, but why wouldn't he do these things as scum either? Taking the initiative on an inactive slot is a bit... underwhelming. Or rather just an experience thing?
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I can get why you can see this as TvT or SvS, but why are you ruling out TvS? Even although Nero isn't deathtunneling Gamma here he is still taking some serious effort to draw the attention to Gamma.In post 297, Mizzytastic wrote: Nero feels light tunneled on Gamma. Not THIS MUST DIE but This is THE thing worthy of looking at right now. Gamma isn't really worried. Not really feeling SvT to me but I could guess I could see it coming from TvT or SvS where Gamma knows it's not something to worry about- Testarossa
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Yes, I meant more in regards with your earlier interactions, the misrep later stands for itself, there isn't much room to argue.In post 353, Nero Cain wrote: ???
you could argue the stuff about him "joking" with me is subjective but his misrep of cakes content is an objective fact so...he's pretty scummy.
Ah, gotcha with tris. Nah, I am not trying to argue that Alch is null, I was rather interested in your insight how you came to that conclusion as for me the reasons you wrote looked nai to me. However it's probably just because I generally don't agree with the argument inactive with zero posts = scummy, particularly in this case with Ico as by what I got to know about Ico so far with playing with him it seems a bit comical and a pretty stark contrast that he would be so shy as scum that he wouldn't post at all.In post 353, Nero Cain wrote: When I said I was mindmelding with Alch I actually meant his stuff about Tris. I'm a little confused though if you can see why my 228 would make me town read Alch why then are you asking about it? Are you trying to argue that he's null? I mean, the answer is of course that he certainlyCOULDthrow down a vote on an inactive slot but, and maybe I'm just projecting here, but Ico not posting here was scummy and thus I think its a pretty good vote. Players that are "lurking" get ran up all the time b/c lurkingisa viable scum strategy. OFC, the flip side is that he's just scum and threw down a vote on an inactive slot since its somewhat safe to do so but we are both seeing the Tris thing similarly so that sorta makes me feel like he's also town.- Testarossa
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Why do you think he acts like that as scum though, even doubling down on it when the wagon on him is already at E-2? I have seen Nero's take on it, but I find it hard to believe since he was already acting like that before Gamma got wagoned.In post 450, Egix96 wrote: Not usually as purposefully as that though, if you ask me.- Testarossa
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Some insight what indicates Alchtown to you or just the vibes you are getting there?In post 459, Gamma Emerald wrote:and Alch kinda comes off as Town too- Testarossa
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Is this read still based on your impression from the first pages or where is that firm townread coming from? (I remember Datisi asked this again, but there was no answer iirc)In post 467, Iconeum wrote: but i've got a townread on testa- Testarossa
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Sure. What interests you?In post 486, SirCakez wrote: I'm interested in the pool of players who nobody has really talked about all day like Mizzy, Testa, Which and UnaBombah.- Testarossa
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Welcome, skitter.
Can you give some insight why you consider Gamma as fairly townie?
Going by your big post I figure you have Alch in your scumpool. Why are you suggesting Nero over him and implying to flashwagon him? (unless it's really just due to not being up to date with the gamestate yet) I mean, if you really would like to vote outside Echo/Gamma a push on Alch would imo be the only one who has most likely have the chance to go through (imo still the scummiest slot).- Testarossa
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The former kind of, the latter nah. Eh, it's nothing of solid substance, more an intuitive thing. Like I think his lack of investment in this game looks genuine, but not like not invested scum. I have been playing with the thought if he was using these posts to soften up for joining the Gamma wagon in an easy way, but I thought him being critical of your progression on Gamma in the very next post shows to me like they are genuinely trying to look into that. Just feel there is no need to do that as scum.In post 525, Iconeum wrote: what did you like?
the 'oh god oh god i'm doing jackshit this game, better get started' or the panicked 'omg ico y u no scumread me'
or smt else?
Please respond to my 499 if there is time.
See above.In post 543, Datisi wrote: i am also also interested in what you're seeing in me tho
how much do you rely on meta with people you've played with before?
Otherwise I consider meta only as a supportive element to verify a tendency that I already have formed on a player or to make sense of remarkable early game behaviour (like NPOM last game or tris here). However I rely mostly on intuitive reads and so I do with people I have played with before. I can't really control when that kicks in, so I prefer to hold any bias from earlier games back until I have gotten a first grasp on a player. It's a bit different if I look at other people's perception of me though, because I try to look at it from their perspective.- Testarossa
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I need to reread the whole sequence of exe shifting from Gamma to Echo tomorrow when I am sober, but I really dislike that exe. I think it started with tris switching votes. If Gamma is town that would imply she is pretty likely town too, as Gamma was at E-1 and Ico already requested a claim from Gamma. If he is scum... well I kind of think it was easy enough to pull something out of her fingers to paint Echo as the scummier one to justify switching votes sooner. Looks risky to stick to the bus so close to deadline. Need to reread when she was around, still think she is town though. Not sure about others yet.
Interesting is that with both flips the first major wagon (tris wagon) with votes by Cakez, Echo, Datisi and Una is half town with three votes on Echo as the second major wagon. Although the latter was mostly rvs. In my experience scum usually avoids the first major wagon and prefer to vote elsewhere, especially if it is a bait looking target like tris was at the beginning. So I would at least assume Una is probably more likely town by that, even more if tris would be scum.- Testarossa
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The Alch wagon came up as response to tris vs Echo wagons and then again the second Echo wagon came up as response to the Alch wagon. Besides Cakez and Echo no one of the Alch wagon has been part of the tris or first Echo wagon. Although there was also the attempt of the Ico wagon by Alch/Gamma.
Taking a look at the second Echo wagon I am the most wary of Alch, Egix and skitter there. I disliked skitter's hesitance about flashwagoning Alch, when she thought Echo and Gamma were both town (she was, wasn't she?). Alch was either voting town or doing that weak Ico push which I didn't liked either. Egix was kind of just there. Not sure yet how many scum were on it. Usually I would assume just one, because Echo was such a exe bait too, but it kind of depends on Gamma's alignment too.- Testarossa
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My head hurts, need sleep. Anyway I am somewhat at a scumpool of Alch, Gamma, Egix and skitter. If three scum, this covers probably not all. Not sure if Alch and Gamma fit together. Both were voting tris in the beginning and doing that weird Ico push and then townreading each other (not sure about Alch, but too lazy to check rn). Looks to me a bit too obvious, also I have somewhere in the back of my mind that someone said that Gamma prefers to distance early as scum.
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Why not Egix?In post 772, Gamma Emerald wrote:based on how skitter came in I'd guess some under the radar players, to throw out some names maybe unah and testa?- Testarossa
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lol I will try.In post 781, Gamma Emerald wrote: hmu with the upshot bcuz I don't particularly care to parse these blocks of text for your wagonomics
tris = town if you are town, because of vote switch. However also don't think she bussed if you are scum.
Una maybe town too, because I feel scum might rather go for Echo instead of voting early exebait like tris. Admittedly shaky take, because Echo was also quite a bait.
Think that Echo wagon got revived as response to scumAlch wagon. Ico wagon was maybe failed response. Anyway Alch, Egix and skitter on Echo wagon = bad.- Testarossa
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Wait, did I screw up the vc order? Was really sure the Echo wagon came up first, because I remember voting Gamma as third as I disliked exactly that Echo wagon.In post 783, Nero Cain wrote:Echo wagon seems more like a response to Gamma than Alch.- Testarossa
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Tell me about it, it's 05:00 AM here, let me go.In post 787, Gamma Emerald wrote:testa could you post a tl;dr on why you find Alch scummy, I tried to find what I thought of his ISo but I'm too tired to really focus in on reading it
Didn't liked his earlier posts. Felt like focussing on wrong things and posts felt kind of filler-ish. Disliked Ico push. What meanwhile bothers me more is the treatment of his Echo vote. He only focused on Echo's weird behaviour, but never really bothered to care about Echo's actual reads. He just parked his vote there. Additionally what i said about the Echo wagon coming up against the Alch wagon, which had too many shady people on it.- Testarossa
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I mean it's not set in stone, but tris just checked in after Ico said it's 24 hours till deadline and that Gamma should claim with being at E-1 as I understand how it is getting handled here. If Gamma is town and she is scum why not lurking it out and wait till Gamma shows up and claims and then have a change of heart switching over to Echo? That's two birds with one stone. I don't see why she as scum would act like she did, especially because Echo is more likely to stay in the center of attention with his playstyle the next day.In post 783, Nero Cain wrote: don't nessisarily agree with Tris town if Gamma is town.- Testarossa
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Right now only here, you could consider me kind of as "newbie" to this site I think.In post 797, Alchemist21 wrote:@Testarossa, Do you usually play on Mafiascum or on another site?
I know that question seems random but I assure you it has relevance.
Used to play a lot on another site, but well, that was 7-8 years ago.- Testarossa
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Maybe, old habits die hard after all. I mean I would let that apply on my take on Una, fine.In post 814, Alchemist21 wrote: How much of your play is still based on how things worked on that other site? What you’re saying about how the early wagons played out would be more reasonable for a game that had 24-48 hour deadlines but not really for these longer MS deadlines.
I don't think it doesn't matter too much with looking at your wagon. My impression of you, solely based on this game so far, is that you wouldn't seem to be the kind of character who wouldn't mind being in the center of attention as scum and those often respond even to an early wagon in some kind of way.
My problem with you lies not mainly in this though. You were early able to correctly understand Echo's odd behaviour as "his schtick". Somewhat similar case with tris, where you came around thinking of it as town. When you dropped your vote on Echo I could imagine you were thinking it was for avoiding scumhunting with it or too much anti-town play for your liking by that point. But later? You only object to his take on Cakez that Cakez wouldn't have said anything unique. Otherwise no reaction to Echo's reads nor his suspicions (you were even one of them), which looks odd if him avoiding scumhunting was one of your major concerns. Why were you fine with leaving your vote on Echo?- Testarossa
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Tbh I am not sure about the nka about the Datisi kill. My take is that it is probably just the safe shot at someone active, who is rather unlikely to get voted out. His most interesting take was probably at the end in 692, but I don't know if he was implying Nero/skitter was SvS (because it was my impression he thought of skitter as town) or he was just disliking Nero there.- Testarossa
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Actually what about Egix? You were trying to start a wagon on him at the end of the day. I figure by 502 you were disliking his Echo vote, which was the last about that. How do you think now about him?In post 819, tris wrote:anyone want to name a player really quick?- Testarossa
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If I go by your post about me it looks like you were indecisive, you kind of listed two pro-town points and two pro-scum points. What is in your opinion tipping the balance to the scum side?In post 808, Egix96 wrote: That was my current read. If I had to guess though, mayyybe scum?- Testarossa
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Have been skimming the thread a bit, but too tired for more, so just a few things.
I am kind of town on Una, although it's more based on an irrational thing, but I like it.
Una, I think you mentioned somewhere that Alch and skitter slot are never scum together. Can you elaborate on that? Is that conclusion a two-sided thing? I mean I was considering something similar, but I can see that only in a world where skitter slot is scum, because I can see her fence sitting attitude on Alch as a purposeful false association with Alch.
Also what's your Alch read? I remember you were once on either Alch and/or one of me/Cakez as scum.- Testarossa
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Still think you are town. Your interactions with skitter (there seems to be histroy I can't weigh on though) and possible conclusions out of Datisi kill may have made me pause a bit, but I still feel good about you.In post 921, Nero Cain wrote:What do you think of me, Test?- Testarossa
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I am not liking Cakez in Una vs Cakez. Kind of feel he is making more out of it then it was, I don't think bringing up points that make you question your read on a slot in a direct conversation with said person is a push, especially if there is no serious intention of actually voting there. I am not really liking the wagon on him though, Una aside.- Testarossa
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I am chewing a bit on a weird association between skitter slot (rather Mizzy) and Egix. When I was asking about reads on Egix D1 Mizzy picked that on without responding to anything else (could have just been coincidence as it was just the very next post) and shaded Egix lightly. Egix kind of reacted to the same post and just threw some light/harmless shade on Mizzy. Is either coincidence and I read too much into it, but Egix general stance on that slot is pinging me.- Testarossa
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I am still not really settled on a proper read on Ico. I am still a bit confused that he casually townread me that firmly on D1, especially because I was purposely avoiding most of the traits that caused me to get flashwagoned in our last game (although he wasn't scumreading me there to be fair). It's also noticeable that he was on all major D1 wagons, although this might only be more relevant if we know about affected slots.
However I don't really think Icoscum kills Datisi here, when Datisi has him in his to townreads? Also the way he reacted in his conversation with Una looks imo in character with his town persona. So maybe rather positive tendency here.- Testarossa
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That would indeed shed some light on it.In post 941, Egix96 wrote:
Well that would explain this.In post 924, UnaBombaH wrote:
Yes, and that's literally all I'm saying.In post 918, Testarossa wrote:Una, I think you mentioned somewhere that Alch and skitter slot are never scum together.
I can actually see either of the two aspotential scumsters- not necessarily my own scumreads as of right now though - but they are never scum together.
If one of them is scum - the other is town. Period.
It would also explain why skitter was hesitating to flash Alch at the end of D1.
Would like to get this confirmed by one of the other possible neighbours though. None of the potential neighbours was really sorting the others here in the thread, Alch not at all at least. And I don't know how the activity was even there considering Una wasn't that much around for most of D1 and Mizzy/skitter neither.- Testarossa
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Ah, I didn't meant any conclusions you made. Meant mine, which I was thinking about. I have the assumption that probably max one scum is among Datisi's townreads, so I was considering who among his non-townreads might have a good reason to kill him off without receiving too much of a backslash. However I think you are right that you probably more likely kill skitter off (and might get away with it), unless you are both scum.In post 964, Nero Cain wrote: What conclusions did I make?
The only conclusions I remember being made is when Ico lightly accused me of killing Datisi and you (at least I think) when you said he was prob killed b/c he was a safe active kill.- Testarossa
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Actually I am supposed to be voting Gamma rn as I did in 920. NM and maybe Egix might be fine too, but my scumread on the former was mostly based on skitter being on the fence regarding Alch, which is now kind of resolved with the neighbourhood. Although I wonder, if the premise is that there is usually one scum in a 3p hood, how long would you hold back as scum on your fellow neighbours before cutting down your pool to hide in? Need to reread that slot tomorrow or Saturday.In post 989, Nero Cain wrote: @testa Who would you lynch besides Alch?
can I interest anyone in an ico wagon?
Egix is a rather weak scumread, which is just mostly gut driven, so not too convinced by myself to go there.
Why are you scumreading Ico? Is it for his opening on D2? I might be biased here from last game, but I just think he doesn't kill Datisi off, if Datisi is townreading him, considering how hard Datisi usually seems to be ready to defend Ico if he townreads him.- Testarossa
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Not really. As I said, Ico is kind of special. Last game I played with both Datisi and Ico, Ico was fighting half the playerlist on D1 and Datisi who had him as top townread was basically his life insurance there. I just think if you are scum and you can have a pretty vocal townie who is willing to defend you, who have you as top townread (although by my impression notIn post 1001, Nero Cain wrote: Don't these two things contradict?
If you think there's gonna be a scummer in his (datisi) town reads why is Ico unable to be that? Who among his town reads do you think is the scummer?thatstrong as last time), then you just keep him around as it makes it harder for town to vote you out and if you go down there would at least be damning associations. I have trouble believing Icoscum would let that pass and would instead be super scared as scum to kill Datisi off nonetheless. I mean, of course I can be wrong, but I am not really seeing the motivation here.
If there is scum I think either in NM or Cakez. However NM (or rather skitter) has no real motivation to kill off Datisi either as they were also growing wary of you, so why cutting down a potential ally for a very likely 1v1 with you? And skitter was out for it as she was voting you out of the gate on D2. Besides the Alch fence sit thing that slot never really pinged me in any particular way.
As for Cakez there is wagon analysis and his fos on Una in his disfavour. His progression from Echo not getting better/avoiding scumhunting/just playing due to pressure to "still thinking he is misunderstood town" makes me raise my brows too, because it didn't seemed like he was thinking of Echo as town before. Then again I am scumreading almost everyone voting/suspecting him, besides Una and tris. So the more I do think about this the more I am not so sure about my original assumption tbf.- Testarossa
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I am interpreting her behaviour around Alch that she was most likely intending to take more time with using the neighbourhood in order to sort Alch. I mean the Neighbours know better what happened between skitter and Alch during N1.In post 1002, Nero Cain wrote: not really? Like even if we give her the benefit of the doubt that she's town and she understood that a 3p hood is going to have 0-1 scumAND she thought the possible scum in the hood was Alch. Either she's like really kinda...I dunno....clueless? that she wasn't going to get her pet Nero elim she should have moved to Alch and at least tried to get someone she felt was scum instead of just like not even try and just g with the flow and elim someone that she didn't really think was scum. If she's town then this seems like very bad town play to me. If she was scum and successfully gets me eliminated then she has to find someone new to push and I could see a scum her hard push me and then when I flip town she goes "oh look! I was pushing Alch earlier!" and continues to push him.
I mean you are right that it doesn't look good for skitter not trying to win people over for her scumreads then just let the exe play out between two players she assumed to be town. Maybe I am just symphatizing here, because sometimes I feel similar with resigning when the gamestate is dead set on seeing your townreads dead, no matter what. - Testarossa
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