Mini Normal 2180 | Fake Peoples | Endgame

[Dunnstral]

How do you do, fellow townies

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Now it seems to me that Datisti being a town backup roleblocker implies that there is a town roleblocker, I say this because while different alignment pairs are possible, that creates swing in the setup instead of reducing swing, and it seems like a weird choice. Roleblocker gets stronger for town when there's less mafia alive, so giving town a roleblocker when a mafia pr dies would be strange.

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Can I get your reads?

I half expected to get vig shot so didn't read much

I see that my slot seemed highly suspected.

DeasVail's reads that I read are really bad from my perspective

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I half expected to get vig shot so didn't read much

We haven't seen a vig yet...why'd you expect that?

Well this loops back to me not having read much

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As I mentioned, just going off their read list, DV looks bad

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Better question: how are you judging DV's list if you haven't read? What looks bad on it?

Read on my slot and cakes

And also you didn't feel aligned with them and they have you low

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DV weren't you scumreading VP Baltar? Why were you ok with him leading the claims like this?

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So explain how you know about 3 other power roles?

I guess the roleblocker is scum.

DV weren't you scumreading VP Baltar? Why were you ok with him leading the claims like this?

I don’t think it makes much practical difference. Do you?

I think it should make a difference to you

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oh, vp hasn't claimed yet.

How do you know that their role is different from the blocker?

I don't really understand how you reached your conclusions, I'm guessing somebody claimed to you in your neighborhood?

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Alright, I have a problem with your claim. Namely, Sircakes was eliminated largely based off of there being too much town power roles.

However, if you look at the claimed roles, along with the flipped roles, I don't think sircakez would have been eliminated if this info was out, and I think you played a big part in this by alluding to role information that you don't have

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Well now it looks like abr is mafia off of claims, tracker, roleblocker, and roaming detective seems like a bit much

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All 3 of those roles check to see if somebody is performing the kill, essentially

With the fn AND backup added on, I believe the tracker is fake

Also, I think DV is scum for having really bad reads

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Iconeum knowing they were roleblocked is believable

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Also Dunn is BoPing me when my reads have not actually been worse than anyone else’s based on flips so far. It’s honestly a pretty lazy reason that seems like an excuse to suspect a prime mis-elim candidate

My pov:

DV's Tears:

[

Datisi

, innocentvillager,

ABR

]
[Iconeum, petapan]
[midwaybear, Gamma Emerald]
[

VP Baltar

,

SirCakez

]
[

Noraa

]

Some of these are based only on impressions from what I've read, and some who were more fuzzy to me I have done an ISO skim to refresh. I will be giving further thoughts on some of these reads shortly.

Your reads are pretty dire

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also I feel like last time I played with dunn in a scenario like this he was town and played very differently to here

How so

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I disagree

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I disagree that you still think you can miselim me this game before or after DV flips

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My current reads look like this:

[Vp Batlar, Iconeum]
[innocentvillager]
[midwaybear, petapan]
[Gamma Emerald, DeasVail]
[ABR]

[Dunnstral]

Cakez was eliminated without me even being needed on the wagon.

Doesn't really matter

Most of the game considered ABR to be town day 2.

Also doesn't really matter

I also correctly townread Shoshin in contrast with the rest of the game.

But they still died

[Dunnstral]

My current reads look like this:

[Vp Batlar, Iconeum]
[innocentvillager]
[midwaybear, petapan]
[Gamma Emerald, DeasVail]
[ABR]

I am inclined to believe that midwaybear and petapan aren't both scum together

They're neutral to me otherwise, I kind of like midway's posts but I'm not sure if posting like this is in character for him when he's town

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I'm not confident in it being Gamma, actually

Deasvail and ABR are both scum in my head

My current reads look like this:

[Vp Batlar, Iconeum]
[innocentvillager]
[midwaybear, petapan]
[Gamma Emerald, DeasVail]
[ABR]

I am inclined to believe that midwaybear and petapan aren't both scum together

They're neutral to me otherwise, I kind of like midway's posts but I'm not sure if posting like this is in character for him when he's town

wasn't midway town in that game we were scum together?

Yes, I've seen them as town a lot

I think they're a little obvious as scum now that I think of it, so more likely to be town here

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better question, who does he think it is if not me?

^I support this product and/or service.

Peta who knows abr is going down today and is acting contrarian to the rest of his team

Not really sold on that or on a 3rd mafia right now though

[Dunnstral]

[Vp Baltar, Iconeum]
[innocentvillager, midwaybear]
[petapan, Gamma Emerald]
[DeasVail]
[ABR]

Let's say my reads are like this instead

[Dunnstral]

Cakez was eliminated without me even being needed on the wagon.

Doesn't really matter

Most of the game considered ABR to be town day 2.

Also doesn't really matter

I also correctly townread Shoshin in contrast with the rest of the game.

But they still died

It kind of does if you are basing your read on me off these things

I went back and looked

Your 'defense' on Shoshin is painfully thin, and you ignore the wagon for hundreds of posts until it gets eliminated

All the while you're not actually voting for anybody

You were definitely just sitting back and watching things happen

With sircakez: You only voted for them and my slot, the wagon going through without you doesn't matter because you were clearly calling them scum and blending in

Other players thought ABR is town isn't a defense

[Dunnstral]

but this is less about you and more about how casual dunnstral's read on you is, you don't need to butt in

I don't see him as scummy, just more composed than usual

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occurred over the space of less than 12 hours

This doesn't seem to be true

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what's the lylo plan in the event ABR flips town?

I'd still believe the rest of the claims, it would not change my reads greatly, there would be an extra scum in there though

VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

[Dunnstral]

Peta solving doesn't feel like scum

[Dunnstral]

Why did you say VP Baltar claimed scum after seeing their claim, if you didn't know what friendly neighbor was?

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What happened to the scum roleblocker?

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You claimed roleblocked so you shouldn't be able to get your action off again, as you'll be roleblocked again

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: DeasVail

lim-1

Theoretically, it's better to try to find a mafia roleblocker, and I'd always want to elim DV next anyway. If DV flips goon it's likely that I'm going to go for ABR again tomorrow.

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Also I don't think it's iconeum

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Whoever was visited by Vp Baltar, claim

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i'm a 1shot rb
iv claimed the disloyal hider thing

What, I thought you were just the neighborizor, so you're a joat.

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my eod (preflip) reads were like

gamma/peta
IV
mdw
DV/dunnstrall (noraa slot)

You're making a mistake, it's not me

It's very likely DV, also probably Gamma at this point since there's an extra mafia in the poe now

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I'm town

Here's the thing...

I don't think midway and peta are scum together

Which means it would be to be one of those two, plus gamma, plus iconeum

And that seems less likely to me than it being you

So yes @iconeum

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I forgot about IV

I think they actually look worse for defending ABR, seemed like a TMI viewpoint

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I'm wondering if we've both been town this whole time

What does a convincing solve look like if we're both town

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Can IV and Ico clarify what their roles are again?

I didn't realize IV was a pr, or that Ico was more than a 1-shot neighborizer

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I'm reading Ico, IV, peta as town here

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I'm reading Ico, IV, peta as town here

can you elaborate on whoever you care to? especially iconeum?

You and peta = I have good gut feelings on today, Ico = good gut feelings on yesterday.

Though I'm not certain whether mwb is scum or not, so I dunno

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lawl

You wouldn't react like this as town

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I forgot about IV

I think they actually look worse for defending ABR, seemed like a TMI viewpoint

I'm reading Ico, IV, peta as town here

can you elaborate on whoever you care to? especially iconeum?

You and peta = I have good gut feelings on today, Ico = good gut feelings on yesterday.

Though I'm not certain whether mwb is scum or not, so I dunno

how did you go from thinking IV had TMI on albert to getting a good gut feeling on him today?

Their response, and I didn't know of their pr earlier

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Once ABR flipped the next step was to use the snapback to get DV miselimmed.

Is this theoretical, or are you saying this is what is happening?

I think DV was already in a position where they were likely to be flipped next

[Dunnstral]

I'd like to vote gamma today

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^ for who

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VOTE: Gamma Emerald

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This makes me feel kind of nervous even though it probably shouldn’t

Me or Iconeum?

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I could be persuaded, but I'm not convinced right now

I'm reconsidering some things. I think the scumteam is Gamma/Iconeum/Midwaybear, or something close to that. The way Iconeum has treated both of our slots today feels very agenda driven, and like he's going for the win today

Gamma has a really bad solve (me/IV/mwb) and is transparently not playing as his town self

Midwaybear is poe, but he's arguing that the team is Gamma/Ico/you, so.... this read seems dubious

I'm acknowledging that this means I've had bad reads on you, Iconeum, and maybe MWB throughout this game. I think I misunderstood something with the prs that made Iconeum seem more likely town - I didn't realize IV was also claiming a pr, and it's possible for Iconeum's role to be scum aligned even if it's true

[Dunnstral]

if gamma were scum
and he was the prime target for misflip, scum arent going to stand by watching the clock tick down

they are gonna work on getting someone else flipped

And that's where you come in

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I'm town

Here's the thing...

I don't think midway and peta are scum together

Which means it would be to be one of those two, plus gamma, plus iconeum

And that seems less likely to me than it being you

So yes @iconeum

I'm wondering if we've both been town this whole time

I started reconsidering things here

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And then I mentioned wanting Gamma today, where earlier I wanted DV

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I'm town

Here's the thing...

I don't think midway and peta are scum together

Which means it would be to be one of those two, plus gamma, plus iconeum

And that seems less likely to me than it being you

So yes @iconeum

I'm wondering if we've both been town this whole time

I started reconsidering things here

you think... that is a towny line from DeasVail that made you reconsider his alignment? I found it incredibly suspicious, how they've been gunning for your slot all game, we've seen like 6 town flips, and now he thinks you might be town???

Reconsidering things is towny, not scummy

I think him appealing to me as scum is less likely than him continuing to push/appealing to somebody else

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i came to the conclusion i have 0 idea how to read dv

Tell you what, you read me, and I'll recklessly 1v1 people by placing limlo votes until we win/lose. Right now I'm on Gamma

[Dunnstral]

If gamma flips scum and I die, are we voting Iconeum tomorrow or no?

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And I don’t think it’s a towny reconsideration in this instance because the probability of you being scum goes UP without other information after 6 townflips, not DOWN

If the only thing you are looking at is probability, sure, but they gave their reasons and they seem believable

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i think i just need to get over myself and do it because i'm not going to find reason to townread him

part of my paranoia has been wonder if it actually could be as simple as gamma/dv/ico because i thought it didn't feel like it but reading back i didn't find reason that

couldn't

be the team. and that made me nervous on my midwaybear read because i've been suspecting him all game, but it's like it was said to me, you're in xylim for a reason, and i'm wondering if that reason is because i've been tunneling him. i dunno.

I think the way Iconeum is pushing DV and I seems unaligned

Like I know mwb is in there too but it feels like he's hoping we go on each other, and when that doesn't happen he starts accusing us of being together

[Dunnstral]

you're in xylim for a reason,

In this scenario, the reason is because everyone else was a power role

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gamma/iconeum/midway could be the solve hm

i think im feeling gamma/midway as probable scum and DV/Iconeum has the hard f3 choice now

This is where I'm at, but look at what they are pushing (DV/Iconeum)

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Who did Vp Baltar visit last night?

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Midway/gamma is the sort I'm struggling with. I'd be interested in anyone's in depth thoughts there

I think he targeted in here

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no but i think the way he reacted isn't how town would react

The fact that he isn't being quick voted here confirms him as scum anyway

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peta or gamma have to be scum from your point of view, the above is a scum claim

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Or you're throwing for town, one of the two

If you're mafia you've doomed yourself

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peta or gamma have to be scum from your point of view

Peta is voting for Gamma, everyone has since posted, and there has been no hammer

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is this literally IV/DV/Dunn? Does that even make sense?

No, because peta is voting for gamma and the game hasn't ended.

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Stop. If IV and DV were both scum, they would have hammered on page 118. IV has more than enough justification to place down a vote without looking like he's quickhammering.

You're forgoing logic to try to spin a last second case because your whole team was caught out

[Dunnstral]

Stop. If IV and DV were both scum, they would have hammered on page 118. IV has more than enough justification to place down a vote without looking like he's quickhammering.

You're forgoing logic to try to spin a last second case because your whole team was caught out

I don't think IV and DV are both scum?

is this literally IV/DV/Dunn? Does that even make sense?

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We don't need to get caught up in Iconeum's pace

Peta is voting for gamma, and scum haven't quickhammered

The rest of the conversation about me and dv being teamed or why we believe each other, and everything else he's saying is a distraction

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DV isn't trying to work with me or DV by asking questions, he's trying to discredit us so somebody freaks out and votes there

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DV isn't trying to work with me or DV by asking questions, he's trying to discredit us so somebody freaks out and votes there

*iconeum

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no

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Ahhh

Hello?

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oh fuck my life

I'm town.

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I'm voting Iconeum in my first post tomorrow, they voted for me and I wasn't quickhammered, confirming them as scum in my eyes. MWB is acting very shady and is likely the third mafia.

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i should have gone with my first instinct

i can't believe i let midwaybear get away with this

Calm down. Gamma is flipping scum here, if this were a quickhammer and gamma is town, it would have happened earlier (it would mean 3 mafia off wagon faffing about instead of ending the game)

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midway and ico are trying to wifom

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midway+ico+dunn

why did people rule out dunn ugh god dammit why does this always happen to me

we were so close...

I'm not mafia bro

[Dunnstral]

Order didn't matter, getting mwb wouldn't have won us the game

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I wouldn't have voted for peta