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Post Post #18 (isolation #0) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:11 pm

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This is happening?
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Post Post #42 (isolation #1) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:26 pm

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If the goon targets the roleblocker, does it go through?
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Post Post #45 (isolation #2) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:28 pm

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Oh right misread that part.
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Post Post #54 (isolation #3) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:33 pm

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In post 53, Andante wrote:If you're maf with me... I'm sorry but we aint killing lol
Nah it's fine, you're the roleblocker I'm the goon.
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Post Post #56 (isolation #4) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:35 pm

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Provided you don't roleblock me every night I'll murder them all one by one.
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Post Post #59 (isolation #5) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:39 pm

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Do we need to confirm or do we start now?
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Post Post #78 (isolation #6) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:43 pm

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In post 63, Cephrir wrote:ok so i want to put it out there that theres a chance this might be broken by claiming actions? after some thought i think it's not broken but i wanted to put that out there for the mechanically inclined people to think about
I agree it seems breakable, I'm not sure if it's breakable by only claiming actions, but claiming actions plus follow the cop if there is one seems promising.
In post 67, Save The Dragons wrote:i already forgot my actions
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Post Post #85 (isolation #7) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:44 pm

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Or okay there's not even any danger to claiming PRs because the mafia have already submitted their kills.
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Post Post #86 (isolation #8) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:44 pm

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In post 84, Cephrir wrote:what do we think about having any cops claim now? i can't see much harm in it
As a cop I agree with this.
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Post Post #96 (isolation #9) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:45 pm

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My investigation targets are set to Cephrir Cakez Frogsterking Ircher STD Andante in that order.
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Post Post #97 (isolation #10) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:46 pm

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In post 93, Cephrir wrote:pls stop voting the cop claim
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Post Post #100 (isolation #11) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:46 pm

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Is no-lynch a possibility?
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Post Post #107 (isolation #12) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:47 pm

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In post 101, Save The Dragons wrote:we don't say lynch anymore, please say elim or lim or something else
Sorry, haven't played much since the rule change and said what I was used to, I'll try to be more careful in the future.
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Post Post #113 (isolation #13) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:49 pm

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In post 96, Who wrote:My investigation targets are set to Cephrir Cakez Frogsterking Ircher STD Andante in that order.
Ircher wrote:why would we no lim.

We should lim Frogster since we won't get a cop result there any time soon.
If we're limming based on when we get cop results we should just do it in reverse order to the list so Andante first.
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Post Post #115 (isolation #14) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:49 pm

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I vote we mass-claim.
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Post Post #123 (isolation #15) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:50 pm

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In post 118, Cephrir wrote:i think we could potentially allow ourselves to have reads to and like, confine our elim to the last 3 or something today
Seems like a good plan.
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Post Post #141 (isolation #16) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:54 pm

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In post 135, Ircher wrote:it doesn't matter which
It does though? Kill is very different to block.
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Post Post #147 (isolation #17) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:56 pm

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Kills are verifiable.
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Post Post #149 (isolation #18) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:57 pm

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It's far more worth the risk to us to trust that you're about to kill someone than to trust that you're about to block someone.
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Post Post #165 (isolation #19) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:02 pm

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In post 154, Frogsterking wrote:
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what would it require for you guys to come to some kind of solve mechanically since it seems like that's the direction you're going
I think we're going to end up in a situation where it may or may not be solvable based on what's already been submitted. Let me check the possible endings.
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Post Post #171 (isolation #20) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:10 pm

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Cephrir is town.
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Post Post #185 (isolation #21) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:13 pm

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Was there a town doc/RB?
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Post Post #202 (isolation #22) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:17 pm

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In post 195, SirCakez wrote:Sorry I fucked up I'm back
I'm not mafia I'm the exploder
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Post Post #204 (isolation #23) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:17 pm

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In post 201, Cephrir wrote:
In post 199, Frogsterking wrote:cough cough i am inclined to believe Who's declaration that cephrir is town
it's an investigation result
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Post Post #211 (isolation #24) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:18 pm

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In post 206, Frogsterking wrote:no elim is really bad adante

UNVOTE: cakez

let's slow down a little bit we have time.

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Post Post #216 (isolation #25) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:19 pm

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I haven't fully calculated all the possibilities, there are too many without a massclaim.
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Post Post #227 (isolation #26) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:21 pm

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In post 223, SirCakez wrote:We have clear on Ceph no?
We do.
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Post Post #238 (isolation #27) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:23 pm

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In post 224, Andante wrote:
In post 219, Cephrir wrote:
In post 218, Andante wrote:I'm not claiming. I visit myself every night aka no one. essentially a vt
if you actually put down yourself every night, all not claiming does is deprive us of valuable info
I'm a random town. I put myself down every night for lols. yes. it's not as funny as I thought it would be
Okay but what role were you assigned?
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Post Post #247 (isolation #28) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:25 pm

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In post 239, Cephrir wrote:i still find it very difficult to justify a lim today.
Agreed, but I want more info before ending the day. Also if I were looking at this from any angle other than winning with mechanics I'd be very tempted to push a lim on Andante.
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Post Post #254 (isolation #29) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:26 pm

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In post 248, Andante wrote:
In post 243, Cephrir wrote:
In post 230, Cephrir wrote:
In post 224, Andante wrote:
In post 219, Cephrir wrote:
In post 218, Andante wrote:I'm not claiming. I visit myself every night aka no one. essentially a vt
if you actually put down yourself every night, all not claiming does is deprive us of valuable info
I'm a random town. I put myself down every night for lols. yes. it's not as funny as I thought it would be
can you tell us if you are (vig or exploder) or (anything else besides that)

that's the only way it can matter, since if there are no other vig claims cakez is clear
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Post Post #256 (isolation #30) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:27 pm

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In post 255, Cephrir wrote:nolim is correct V:
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Post Post #263 (isolation #31) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:28 pm

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Cephrir have you claimed?
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Post Post #274 (isolation #32) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:30 pm

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Andante really needs to claim.
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Post Post #278 (isolation #33) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:30 pm

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In post 272, SirCakez wrote:We can lim Ceph and if he's town i bomb frog
CEPH IS TOWN.
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Post Post #286 (isolation #34) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:32 pm

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It could theoretically be STD who just happened to come up with the right info, but yeah it seems to be most likely frog/andante.
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Post Post #291 (isolation #35) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:32 pm

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Are you too tired to claim your role?
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Post Post #299 (isolation #36) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:33 pm

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In post 293, Andante wrote:nah not claiming
Intent to hammer if you don't.
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Post Post #304 (isolation #37) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:35 pm

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I think she means she's scum and she knows we've solved it.
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In post 302, Andante wrote:ah yeah I'm a doctor! saved cakez last night :)
Vig/sploder would have been the best fakeclaim.
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Post Post #314 (isolation #39) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:35 pm

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In post 307, Cephrir wrote:ok so that is 4 doc/roleblockers

that's a lot
Also a cop and a tracker.
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I think she's been hammered several times over.
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Post Post #341 (isolation #41) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:59 pm

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gg. That could have gone very wrong had STD been scum, though claiming tracker and a verified result would have been an incredibly bold move.
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Post Post #343 (isolation #42) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:00 pm

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Thanks for modding! I think cop is too powerful. It's powerful enough in regular mafia but in this where the mafia can't target a claimed cop in response to the claim it's kind of insane.
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Post Post #344 (isolation #43) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:02 pm

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Okay that also could have gone very wrong had ceph not targeted frog.
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Post Post #345 (isolation #44) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:02 pm

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Also limming Ircher was a bad move.
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Wait, cakez tried to explode n1? Very much the wrong move, could have cost us the game.
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Post Post #350 (isolation #46) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:05 pm

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In post 348, SirCakez wrote:We just got lucky
The only reason we needed luck was because you limmed ircher then tried to blow someone up.
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Post Post #352 (isolation #47) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:06 pm

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In post 351, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 349, Who wrote:Wait, cakez tried to explode n1? Very much the wrong move, could have cost us the game.
The choice was rash yet the aim was true.
Yes, but like, if he hit town the game would have been lost immediately, if he didn't shoot we had a very favorable position.
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In post 347, Cephrir wrote:
In post 343, Who wrote:Thanks for modding! I think cop is too powerful. It's powerful enough in regular mafia but in this where the mafia can't target a claimed cop in response to the claim it's kind of insane.
yeah my first thought for altering this would be letting the mafia kill whoever they want
That seems a bit too strong and also against the spirit of it. Perhaps give everyone a one-shot free night? Or it ends so quickly that that would also be against the spirit of it.
SirCakez wrote:I didn't mean to submit an action night 1 lol I got on a call with a friend and totally got distracted and didn't come back in time
You intended to not act and then you didn't act, causation be damned.
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What do you mean by anonymous? Everyone uses anonymous alts? That doesn't seem like it will do much. Faster only prevents it from being broken during the game, it doesn't save the setup from breaking. Three games back to back seems fun but won't protect from breaking.
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Post Post #360 (isolation #50) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:23 pm

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That would be a good check on blindly following the cop, but after thinking more about it I think there might just be too much town power in general, and also too much openness.
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If the random towns are in the same class and the mafia claim that class you get two ICs d1 before any night actions.
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Post Post #362 (isolation #52) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:27 pm

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Actually that’s easy the mafia just claim different classes to each other, Andante wasn’t trying when she claimed the same class as frog.
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But being a PR is fun though.
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Post Post #366 (isolation #54) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:42 pm

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Adding redirection risks things getting to chaotic but is promising. Bus driver has the issue of needing two targets which would introduce unnecessary complexity, but a role which shifts the target’s target list one night forwards seems good for scum. For town, those roles are generally negative utility, but a beam splitter would be handy.
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Post Post #368 (isolation #55) » Sat Feb 12, 2022 8:36 am

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But negative utility roles will just either not get used or only be used by trolls. Better to give the negative town utility to scum.
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