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Could everyone give 3 or 4 players they think are scum, and why?
I'm suspicious of players who have voiced minimal or few scumreads, despite the fact there are FOUR scumazzers out and about from a town player's perspective. Players that fall under this category include T3, marcistar, Toogeloo, and probably others
It's probably pretty difficult for scum to voice many scumreads here, given they either have to choose in the limited pool of townies, or give scumreads on their buds- Hectic
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He's voiced exactly 1 townread and 0 scumreads this game so far. He doesn't seem to care much about the popcorn vender having the right information to shoot scum, not interested in expressing who he thinks they should shoot etcIn post 311, Galron wrote:Is that toog read based on meta, Art? Which posts?- Hectic
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In post 11, T3 wrote:Actually I think NM being chosen clears Enchant.In post 30, T3 wrote:marci's normal play gets her scumread but using a ~secret~ meta tell it should become apparent if she is scum pretty fast.In post 43, T3 wrote:Luke is a strong town player but it should become readily apparent if he's scum so I would hold off on shooting him.
T3's play this game has been really flashy and weird.In post 66, T3 wrote:Hockey seems to have good intent. Hard to explain, kind of just vibes.
231/232/242 all express townreads on marci given T3's experience and meta with her, but once opinion of her steadily decreased in the thread, she's "lean-scum" in 299. Unsure whether that's scum capitalising on a townie's stocks going down, or some last ditch distancing.
This read made me wanna draw some art of a trash canIn post 195, T3 wrote:
I think Toog is towny for the secretiveness around the reads. He seems to be quietely solving on his own.In post 194, Toogeloo wrote:
I don't want those people to alter their play just yet.In post 192, HockeyFan wrote:The people you want to hipfire are presumably people you SR, so whats the point of hiding this info from town
^Also, lol @ T3 treating Hockey like he's a toddler. I wanna say he's TMIing Hockey-townIn post 230, T3 wrote:
Newbies being all over the place and having complex thoughts like that is very strongly town indicative.In post 211, Art wrote:- Hectic
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There is a time and place for them!In post 332, Pavowski wrote:
I will miss the pictograms but welcome some more concrete thoughts from this slot :)In post 329, Hectic wrote:Hello friends
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Lukewarm likely town for:
-Being aware Not_Mafia actually has good reads, yet picking him to be the gun bearer nonetheless. Picking the snorlax for first gun bearer is actually a pretty bad strat, since he's a very viable misshot down the line. His power comes from having good reads, not being able to look town. So, I think scum probably assumed his reads would match the power level of his general content (bad)
-289 isn't a perfectgourmettownslip, but it's more likely to be real than faked
-The marci meta susread was very good- Hectic
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That should say:
-If scum, he'd have to be aware that Not_Mafia actually has good reads, yet pick him to be the gun bearer nonetheless.
Ergo I don't think scum!Luke gives him the gun- Hectic
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Your T3-not-used-to-him-being-towny thoughts and lines like make me want to lean town on youIn post 336, Pavowski wrote:There I think I've done everybody, this is usually the point where people start scumreading me pretty hard.
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Anyways, it feel like marci is the best shot here.
181 expressed liking Art and their point about Luke. It implies liking the point means some kind of agreement with it, in most cases
However, when Luke calls her out on it, she backpedals in 188, saying she only liked Arthavingthe thought, and she's not sure if she agrees with it, which is a little more convoluted, and possibly her changing her stance since she knows Luke would see through agreeing with it
Since then, she's almost seemed a little afraid to express many reads/thoughts. The only one being in 321 where she says she's scumreading Enchant but doesn't elaborate
I don't think Luke is scum with marci for their interactions, and I don't think Hockey is scum with marci for 204/216/226. So, if correct, it'd be a very valuable flip
But we have tiiiimeee, so marci, if you're not scum, give us a power star; talk about your reads etc- Hectic
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This doesn't change your stance there, Toog?In post 310, Galron wrote:Most likely. I'm going to take the full day and shoot based on votes, as if it were a launch.- Hectic
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How do you plan on making yourself look town then, in order to avoid being shot?In post 352, Toogeloo wrote:In a way, I kind of see it almost tactically beneficial to sign up for this game as an alt if you might possibly be perceived as a threat as town from scum in order to avoid being chosen for the first gun.
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Nope. Galron can say that as an attempt to see where slots vote and still shoot elsewhere. It's just as easily a gambit for them. I don't intend on voting at all. With as many scum as there are in the game, it's foolish to trust votes.This doesn't change your stance there, Toog?- Hectic
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T3's reads this game have felt very deliberate and showy, that's one of themIn post 354, Vulture wrote:I saw it earlier and went "huh, that's weird" but thought Marci was townier than her other scum games.
T3/Marci makes sense at least if Luke is town but it's hard to get over how slimy he felt early on to me.
I'm not sure if town!T3 has big enough of an ego that he'd imply his read on marci is more important than the rest of the game's?- Hectic
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What happens if Galron mishoots and 1 more mishot loses town the game? What do you do then?In post 358, Toogeloo wrote:I want to be shot.- Hectic
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I think you'll find the that was a detective's hat and a towny crown, and yeah, it was investigating into Hockey's mind, and about T3's postsIn post 360, Vulture wrote:
...I do think town!T3 would have that big of an ego but I also don't think he's town here anyways.In post 359, Hectic wrote:
T3's reads this game have felt very deliberate and showy, that's one of themIn post 354, Vulture wrote:I saw it earlier and went "huh, that's weird" but thought Marci was townier than her other scum games.
T3/Marci makes sense at least if Luke is town but it's hard to get over how slimy he felt early on to me.
I'm not sure if town!T3 has big enough of an ego that he'd imply his read on marci is more important than the rest of the game's?
But yeah, he's been all flash and no substance all game.
Is that what that one Vulture with a hat/crown image was about? I couldn't make out that one.- Hectic
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I hate the fact that I want to say Toogeloo is town for choosing to die on this hill. It wouldn't be difficult for scum to fake some reads here, and scum!Toog is basically gambiting on the fact we don't just policy them here since we do have 1 misshot left. While town!Toog doesn't care as much since they get the gun.. grumble gromble- Hectic
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That's a very fair assessment, HockeyFan. I like Pav tonally but his content is iffy
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Generally, scum like to keep their options open more. Means they have less explaining/faking to do on progressions down the line if they need to scumread someone they previous townread or vice versaIn post 370, Pavowski wrote:
This is just another one of those weird posts from Hockey. The thought process just doesn't make sense to me. You're welcome to SR me for "not committing hard", but, seriously...In post 365, HockeyFan wrote:All of Pav's reads seem sheepy and based on other peoples reads which could be scum sheeping town here. "Hockey's play is weird but I like T3's read on it so I'm inclined to agree that Hockey feels town for now" is an example from 336 is an example. Also I dont really like 337 since that post implies hes wiling to keep all of his options open and not commit hard to a TR/SR.
Who, playing Mafia, doesn't keep their options open?
I think the main reason it's scum-indicative though is that most scum feel taking a hard stance one way or another feels more risky, and is more prone to criticism/suspicion. Beingopenon the read feels like the safer route which is harder to scumread for specific points- Hectic
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This is beautiful, a work of art
Here, I'll lend you my account and you can take my mantle as Art:
username: Art
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Someone else must've signed in before you could and hijacked the account, don't blame me- Hectic
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In post 366, Toogeloo wrote:I've been known to die on a lot of hills. It's not outside my scum range lol.
Oi, are you trying to be scumread for posts like theseIn post 376, Toogeloo wrote:
And yet you town read me because I have vague reads (I could literally name any three people at any time since) and am WIFOMing the player list that I want to be shot.In post 372, Hectic wrote:Generally, scum like to keep their options open more. Means they have less explaining/faking to do on progressions down the line if they need to scumread someone they previous townread or vice versa
I think the main reason it's scum-indicative though is that most scum feel taking a hard stance one way or another feels more risky, and is more prone to criticism/suspicion. Being open on the read feels like the safer route which is harder to scumread for specific points
/winkyface
It makes me want to townread you more- Hectic
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Would you also throw me the meat on the bone and explain why that is?In post 377, Toogeloo wrote:I'll throw you a bone.
One of the three people I would shoot immediately upon getting the gun is T3.- Hectic
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I mean, I didn't want say just yet why this is a terrible idea, but yeah, Toog's right, GalronIn post 310, Galron wrote:Most likely. I'm going to take the full day and shoot based on votes, as if it were a launch.
There are 4 scum, letting them influence your decision via votes is a really bad idea- Hectic
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I'd be disappointed if at least 2 of T3/marcistar/Pavowski weren't scum
We'd likely be in a good position if those 3 were the next 3 shots
Possibly a 5 town, 2 mafia situation- Hectic
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In post 367, Pavowski wrote:Maybe it's just my take on this setup but I don't think it makes sense to ask for the gun today as town
But then I have to WIFOM myself down the drain. Is Toog asking for the gun hoping to get the gun? Or are they asking for the gun hoping they won't get it?In post 370, Pavowski wrote:
This is just another one of those weird posts from Hockey. The thought process just doesn't make sense to me. You're welcome to SR me for "not committing hard", but, seriously...In post 365, HockeyFan wrote:All of Pav's reads seem sheepy and based on other peoples reads which could be scum sheeping town here. "Hockey's play is weird but I like T3's read on it so I'm inclined to agree that Hockey feels town for now" is an example from 336 is an example. Also I dont really like 337 since that post implies hes wiling to keep all of his options open and not commit hard to a TR/SR.
Who, playing Mafia, doesn't keep their options open?
I wasn't a fan of any of these last 3 posts from PavIn post 399, Pavowski wrote:The chaotic energy of Marci's 392 is just :eek:
But specifically this:
Do not like this response at all. Surely you have *something*?marcistar wrote:
PLS SMSSKSMSK THIS IS SO FUNNYIn post 341, Hectic wrote:But we have tiiiimeee, so marci, if you're not scum, give us a power star; talk about your reads etc
i dont have too much reads, and im sure not confident enough in them to do anything with it :cool: :cool:
The Toog assessment looks more for show rather than him actually trying to draw anything meaningful from it
The defense against Hockey is bad imo
The dig at marcistar is also strange since marci does actually give *something* for reads if you look further up in that post of hers, she just included it in a response to one of my earlier questions- Hectic
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Explain?
You're trying to scare me into thinking an incorrect shot on you ends the game since you would mishoot me, aren't you?- Hectic
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Very sneaky of you, I understand why you don't use an avatar and hide your face now
It's fortunate that scum don't get the gun- Hectic
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That and the "this person could be scum, this person could be town... let's say i townread them "- Hectic
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Why are you expecting yourself to go down in my reads?
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T3, you haven't explained why you started scumreading marci this game after the various defenses of her- Hectic
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You're poking at people for reasons that align my own thoughts, and I haven't seen a reason recently to doubt the readIn post 456, HockeyFan wrote:
Idk it just feels weird for someoene to TR me this hard without much of an explnation(u dont have to give one). This isnt me scumreading you, I still have u a TR but its something I wanted to point outIn post 455, Hectic wrote:Why are you expecting yourself to go down in my reads?
It also seems likely that mafia may be TMI-ing you town. If T3 is scum, it's very likely that was the case. You're also unlikely to be aligned with marcistar (so 2 of my scumreads right now don't look S-S with you)- Hectic
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You don't need to apologise for me disliking your posts ><In post 424, Pavowski wrote:
There very well could be 2 scum there, I'm less confident in my TR on T3 over time.In post 414, Hectic wrote:I'd be disappointed if at least 2 of T3/marcistar/Pavowski weren't scum
We'd likely be in a good position if those 3 were the next 3 shots
Possibly a 5 town, 2 mafia situation
Sorry you didn't like my last 3 posts. Let me elaborate and clarify.
Toog is still in null and I could read them asking for the gun either way. I'm still leaning scum.
I didn't particularly feel I was playing defense against Hockey, moreso stating my philosophy.
And Marci, well, it looks like you agree with my conclusion on that slot if not my reasons, so I'll take it.
It doesn't help me to stop thinking you're scum, because your mindset right now seems to be to appease by trying to elaborate or clarify all the points against you- Hectic
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What are your thoughts, Galron? I would recommend not spontaneously shooting like the snorlax.
Also, idea: Letting someone know you plan on shooting them 24 hours before you do gives a good opportunity for them to try and townspew/scumspew one last time on maximum WIM, and hopefully make their alignment clearer for us- Hectic
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T3's buddying was more subtle than Luke's which makes it more suspiciousIn post 468, HockeyFan wrote:The only pockety post I see in here is 61 if u can even call it a pocket. Other than that, I dont see how these are pockets, can you elobartae? Also if you're taking about gunbearer pockets, I direct your attention to luke :lol:
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Well, so much for giving intent
marci's growing on me, I'm starting to believe her when she says she'd be faking more reads as scum after looking through her last scumgame
Enchant meanwhile seems to be avoiding this game which makes his scum equity rise sharply
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Very cool
That flip makes Hockey very likely town for all the TMIing T3 did there
Vulture also looks better for his T3 push earlier- Hectic
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T3 talks about marci a lot and kinda uses her as an anchor which makes her slightly more like to be town
He "hard clears" Enchant on page 1 for bad reasons but it's a bold way to treat a scum partner
^One of these is probably still scum though
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In post 302, Enchant wrote:T3, there's 4 mafias. So one of them at minimum is in your Town list.
Why you not considering it?
^These are Enchant's first 2 mentions of T3. Questioning him, but not explicit scumreadsIn post 322, Enchant wrote:Considering i saw pretty enough trollpeople, i think marci is town likely.
T3 mention some secret meta, and if she in maf list, then he noticed it. I just ask, is twerking alien have chain with that meta or what?
^So this post is kinda out of the blue when Enchant is implying that T3 is the obvious shot, and comes after others are suspecting him. I smell potential bus
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It might be this:In post 511, HockeyFan wrote:Alright so Toog, u mentioned T3 "slipping" his partner, can you elaborate?
quote="In post 231, T3"]Hm let's see if marci did the ~tell~[/quote]
Not yet implies she will at some point because she's scum lolIn post 232, T3 wrote:Not yet.- Hectic
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Yeah, I think we're looking at 1 of Enchant/Marci (probably marci), Pavowski, and 1 sneaky deepwolfIn post 514, Vulture wrote:Both of them have some bad posts but I don’t think they’re scum together for how Enchant defended Marci?
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In post 467, Pavowski wrote:
I would also like to hear some thoughts from Galron and in addition to requesting intent to shoot, I would ask for a reads list before you do shoot, just in case you do miss and die. We know we can at least trust your reads to be genuine.In post 464, Hectic wrote:What are your thoughts, Galron? I would recommend not spontaneously shooting like the snorlax.
Also, idea: Letting someone know you plan on shooting them 24 hours before you do gives a good opportunity for them to try and townspew/scumspew one last time on maximum WIM, and hopefully make their alignment clearer for us
I didn't say earlier, Pavoski, but do you know Galron or respect his play? Because I found this intense worry about him giving final reads before shooting really weird.In post 501, Pavowski wrote:Well that was abrupt. Gal mind giving reads in case it's a bad shot?- Hectic
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I think you have to speak in her language to communicate, Vulture. Use the emojis- Hectic
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HockeyFan
Vulture
Lukewarm
Toogeloo
marcistar
Enchant
Pavowski
^Given those are my reads, and I think it's Pavowski + exactly 1 of Enchant/marcistar, it would mean 1 person I'm townreading in the top 4 is scum, our dear DEEPWOLF
Although, perhaps Toogeloo wouldn't qualify as a deepwolf given he's not as strong of a townread
That's a nice theory btw, Toogeloo, kinda towny- Hectic
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Lukewarm's lack of deep solving is actually starting to worry me slightly. My experience of seeing town!him is being very analytical and proactive. There's been shades of that this game but it's started to peter out
Also, if you CTR+F T3 in his ISO, you see mentions of him saying he thinks he could flip scum, but never a reason why. I find this especially strange for Lukewarm given the familiarity he has shown with T3 in the past- Hectic
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That's true, I've noticed he's had less bite than what I'm used to as well
I remember initially scumreading him in our last game together and he interrogated me because he was naturally suspicious of my read
How he's reacted to my initial suspicion as Art and to yours earlier contrasts that this game- Hectic
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Anyways, I feel bad for saying it because he seems like a nice guy, but I really do think Pavowski should be the next shot, Galron. I'm fairly confident on him flipping scum just based on the way he's been posting this game, my gut's been screaming it at me for a while now- Hectic
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marci was interacting and bouncing off Luke too much for S-S imo. Like I think it'd be a lot harder to use Luke as a focal point for scum!marci if he was also scum, it's work and harder to make look natural
Their interactions also didn't really look like theatre to me- Hectic
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Okay, not always, but for a player like marci who supposedly has very little confidence in her scumgame, I think it's differentIn post 548, Hectic wrote:Something always feels off even if you can't articulate it imo- Hectic
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Perhaps
I think we agree on Pavowski being next snipe though, right?
I'm willing to case if you need convincing, Galron- Hectic
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Thought this was pretty good reasoning for them not being S-SIn post 514, Vulture wrote:Both of them have some bad posts but I don’t think they’re scum together for how Enchant defended Marci?
It feels like a weird way to treat a scum partner to go “no they’re just bad someone is framing them” and then not saying who.- Hectic
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It's fun but probably not extremely productive, let's place our bets though
I reckon Pavowski + Enchant + Lukewarm- Hectic
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@Pav:
"intense worry" is an exaggeration, sure
I'm debating whether town would be as considerate of Galron's reads, or whether you're scum going through the motions of asking because you think it's reasonable to
Your last few posts are considerably better and the doubt starts to set in again - Hectic
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