Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

[Not_Mafia]

Him and mastina (his scum partner) were both potential lynches for today, sorry you have to defend near indefensible partners Math, maybe if you bus now you can pull something off

[Almost50]

Thinking you just did the NK tbh

??? What does this have to do with him getting a no action on me? You think I'm Strogman Ninja BP GF?????

And if I fucking AM a Ninja, then I would fucking know my action is undetectable, so why the fuck would I claim I did take an action??

CAN YOU PLEASE TURN OFF THE TUNNEL MODE?

Thanks.

[acryon]

If you and Kthxbye are town and part of a club where you understand each other, then it's imperative that you try to help the rest of us understand. I just don't understand this strategy of expecting people to follow you without giving a single bit of effort in helping them do so.

I have zero reason to believe that Kthxbye is not still scum.

Gimme a break.

SCUM DOESN'T FAKE GUILTIES WHEN NOT IN DANGER.

Line out exactly how the claim would help you. Do you want to make sure he doesn't get counterclaimed? Well scum have fakeclaims. Do you want to see whether or not you believe the role makes sense? Hell no, more open setup spec is just gonna give us more people claiming at the drop of a hat (thanks Beefster). Or do you want to see exactly how A50 lied?

Kthx right now is sure that A50 lied. Unless you think he's a dumb enough PR player that he can't tell how to use an investigative role, what we have is essentially a light guilty on A50. Let's call it equivalent to a tracker guilty.

No, I don't know exactly what Kthx is talking about, but I don't need to. This is no more something scum does than you gladiating 2 obvtown players is.

You can believe me or not, but I frankly have no idea what the situation is, because I don't know of a role that gets us to a credible guilty right now given the question and A50's answer. This is why I have asked further questions. Counter question to you: how does it possibly

hurt

town to get the full claim from him? Surely if A50 is lynched and flips scum, Kthxbye is dead tonight anyway, whether he partial or full-claims. All it does at this point is help people like me actually understand what is happening.

Edit: Okay, so do you trust Kthx's judgment?

Clearly not. I questioned his play and statements before he did any of this.

[Almost50]

"a guilty on someone is useless to me"

What bloody guilty??

[Not_Mafia]

kthnxbye's claim isn't even consistent in itself

"Almost was lying when he said he took no action, therefore he must have done the NK, a night action."

[BuJaber]

Especially

if a lynch on A50 were to go through, if he flips town we end up in a situation where Kthxbye's claim was vague enough that it could easily be construed as a misunderstanding.

Being explicit is super important here.

It's not. There's enough here to figure out the game. One of kthx and A50 is scum. It is waaaaaay more likely to be A50. Vote there and we move on from there. A50 and mom decided to be roped together so she'll be next if A50 flips scum. Not my decision. Literally theirs.

[BuJaber]

kthnxbye's claim isn't even consistent in itself

"Almost was lying when he said he took no action, therefore he must have done the NK, a night action."

Hmm? I feel really dumb..How is that inconsistent?

[Mathdino]

Thinking N_M is more likely to be scum than Marangal here. N_M openwolfs more than she does IMO.

[Almost50]

because if I did the NK then I DID take a Night Action. Duh!

[acryon]

Especially

if a lynch on A50 were to go through, if he flips town we end up in a situation where Kthxbye's claim was vague enough that it could easily be construed as a misunderstanding.

Being explicit is super important here.

It's not. There's enough here to figure out the game. One of kthx and A50 is scum. It is waaaaaay more likely to be A50. Vote there and we move on from there. A50 and mom decided to be roped together so she'll be next if A50 flips scum. Not my decision. Literally theirs.

This is not enough to lynch someone. For some reason a bunch of people in this game seem to think think that the way to win this game is to say "this is what we need to do. Do it", instead of actually explaining anything or trying to convince anyone.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Kthxbye

L-1

CLAIM. Let us all know how I'm guiltied. I'm going to prove you a liar right here and now.

[BuJaber]

Scum NM has no reason to townread acryon unless acryon is also scum.

Okay I change my mind.. we need full claims from both kthx and A50 please. Let's go.

[Not_Mafia]

kthnxbye's claim isn't even consistent in itself

"Almost was lying when he said he took no action, therefore he must have done the NK, a night action."

Hmm? I feel really dumb..How is that inconsistent?

This is how the conversation went

"Almost, did you take a night action?"
"Yes"
"Liar, you can't have taken a night action, that means you performed the NK"

So he can't have performed a night action but he must have performed a night action.

Is kthnxbye an Accountant alt employing para-consistent thinking?

[Not_Mafia]

Thinking N_M is more likely to be scum than Marangal here. N_M openwolfs more than she does IMO.

lol, yeah Math is lockscum

[BuJaber]

Okay I get it but how can you call it inconsistent if you don't know his full role? I don't want to go research every investigative role out there but what if he can differentiate between an action and a scum NK?

Like his claim is totally out of the blue and unnecessary as scum. If he wants a townie to die why go after A50 specifically without even trying to build a wagon and consolidate scumreads

[Mathdino]

I'm going to be floored if everyone on the Kthx wagon is town here.

@Kthx: Explain the guilty.

I have a feeling I know what this is but I'm not preempting it obviously.

And if I'm scum, I'm fucking alignment informed right now. I don't, as scum, EVER argue against guilties.

[acryon]

Okay I get it but how can you call it inconsistent if you don't know his full role? I don't want to go research every investigative role out there but what if he can differentiate between an action and a scum NK?

Like his claim is totally out of the blue and unnecessary as scum. If he wants a townie to die why go after A50 specifically without even trying to build a wagon and consolidate scumreads

@MathDino: Even Bu who was voting A50 and believes Kthx acknowledges that we need to know the full claim.

[Not_Mafia]

Okay I get it but how can you call it inconsistent if you don't know his full role? I don't want to go research every investigative role out there but what if he can differentiate between an action and a scum NK?

Like his claim is totally out of the blue and unnecessary as scum. If he wants a townie to die why go after A50 specifically without even trying to build a wagon and consolidate scumreads

Him and mastin (his scum buddy) were the main counter wagons to acryon today, whose mislynch wasn't going through as easily as they thought, he tries to push through acryon anyway, doesn't work, so he gets desperate and throws out something at the other viable mislynch, A50

[BuJaber]

I keep forgetting we still have ten people alive. I keep thinking it's almost MYLO.

Okay slow down everyone we have time.


Can you unvote please? Kthx and A50 aren't getting away with no full claims anymore. Can we not have a quicklynch here? I have hopes of cracking the entire scumteam either today or day 3.

[BuJaber]

Eleven*

[Kthxbye]

@Kthx:

Is there any room for doubt here?

unless someone claims to have blocked my night action, there is zero doubt he used an ability. If he took action last night as he claims, it was to make the kill. He did not use a PR power

[BuJaber]

Okay I get it but how can you call it inconsistent if you don't know his full role? I don't want to go research every investigative role out there but what if he can differentiate between an action and a scum NK?

Like his claim is totally out of the blue and unnecessary as scum. If he wants a townie to die why go after A50 specifically without even trying to build a wagon and consolidate scumreads

Him and mastin (his scum buddy) were the main counter wagons to acryon today, whose mislynch wasn't going through as easily as they thought, he tries to push through acryon anyway, doesn't work, so he gets desperate and throws out something at the other viable mislynch, A50

Okay unrelated - do you have a reasoning for why town!acryon would gladiate icon and MD or are you townreading purely because of your role?

[Mathdino]

Okay nope. I have a very good amount of meta showing Not_Mafia is scum here.

He doesn't make shit arguments as town to get his way. See my game (Stack the Deck).

The idea that Kthx-scum claims a guilty on someone to save acryon and mastina, when that results in all 3 of them being lynched in succession, is utterly ludicrous.

Paragraph-posting Not_Mafia always has a reason to suddenly start caring enough to argue a point. I've seen him do it to pull a mislynch in MyLo.

I'm doing a votecount.

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[Not_Mafia]

Okay I get it but how can you call it inconsistent if you don't know his full role? I don't want to go research every investigative role out there but what if he can differentiate between an action and a scum NK?

Like his claim is totally out of the blue and unnecessary as scum. If he wants a townie to die why go after A50 specifically without even trying to build a wagon and consolidate scumreads

Him and mastin (his scum buddy) were the main counter wagons to acryon today, whose mislynch wasn't going through as easily as they thought, he tries to push through acryon anyway, doesn't work, so he gets desperate and throws out something at the other viable mislynch, A50

Okay unrelated - do you have a reasoning for why town!acryon would gladiate icon and MD or are you townreading purely because of your role?

It's not role based and I don't know why he did it, I just know he's town

[BuJaber]

This day doesn't end before:

A50 claims fully
Kthx claims fully
The worst comments on them


-pedit
noted MD
noted NM though that leaves me exactly where I was before asking :/