Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

[acryon]

there's a soft guilty on you and you're not fullclaiming, what do you want from me

Except there isn't. Didn't we already clear this up? Either he is a ninja that forgot he was a ninja, or he is lying, which there's no benefit to ever do.

[Almost50]

scum were given safeclaims tho

Yeah, and this definitely is the safest of them all. I even googled the character and it seems Gamma misspelled the name as it's spelled Lier with an e on the wiki. It also says Lier found an evil statue, so that would be as close to safe as ice is to fire.

[Almost50]

WARNING:

Spoiler: Cheap Shot

I get the feeling Mathdino would be willing to call Mohammad Salah the biggest flop in Liverpool FC history if he thought that would get me lynched in this game.

[Almost50]

For the record, some mods (Aeronaut) give trackers "No result" for both roleblocked and "target went nowhere".

Which -even in the extreme case- does NOT equate to a GUILTY.

[Mathdino]

I think we really just need to wait for Gamma here.

Like, A50 is my strongest scumread regardless of the validity of this guilty, so I guess I'm biased. Maybe he has an alibi, but I'm still scumreading.

I don't see Kthx being scum here, I really don't. The fact that so many players apparently do is heavily concerning, particularly for Not_Mafia and Marangal, both of whom I'd be okay with as alternative lynches.

Any thoughts on electing the worst to control our night actions?

[BuJaber]

Math Buj and A50

How likely do you think Acryon is to be town here?

Not likely imo

So basically it's not a gladiate (guaranteed TvS between A50 and kthx) anymore...


Ehhh

Math & TW -

Does this post

Leaving a parallel flavour claim to a townie as a safe claim really isn't the herculean task of modding you're making it out to be, you can easily the role with yourself

@mod Are scum given fakeclaims, safe flavour claims, both or neither?

Scum are given fakeclaims with flavor.

Fuck it I'll ask the only person I truly can trust.

@mod - if a messenger sends a message to someone that was jailkept, would said messenger be told by you that the message was delivered?

Jailkeeper does not rolestop actions, so the message would be delivered. Messenger is not informed if a message is delivered successfully.

Mean mastina is definitely lying?


Also mod confirmed scum have fake claims.. no wonder they all sound believable.

-pedit not yet hang on we may end up with someone who's practically conftown

[Almost50]

hider doesn't commute

hider is just night immune

hiders can still be tracked

but that's just me being pedantic

Oh, really? I guess the wiki's wrong then as it states "In case the hider targets a town-alligned player, he or she will be

untargetable

for all other roles"

[acryon]

I think we really just need to wait for Gamma here.

Like, A50 is my strongest scumread regardless of the validity of this guilty, so I guess I'm biased. Maybe he has an alibi, but I'm still scumreading.

I don't see Kthx being scum here, I really don't. The fact that so many players apparently do is heavily concerning, particularly for Not_Mafia and Marangal, both of whom I'd be okay with as alternative lynches.

Any thoughts on electing the worst to control our night actions?

And I'm in the opposite spot with Kthx.

the worst is probably the most widely townread, so that's probably as good a choice as any.

[the worst]

@Buj no only that if MASTINA had been jail kept she wouldn't have received the message. Since it was actually Mom who was jail kept it checks out that Mastina didn't receive the message I think

[the worst]

Acryon pinkie promise you're town right now

[Almost50]

there's a soft guilty on you and you're not fullclaiming, what do you want from me

I already showed why it is not a guilty at all. Stop trying to ruin my play. How would you have felt if I opposed you on Bins and forced you to claim the guilty? I mean, you eventually did and got NK'd for it, but it wasn't my doing.

[Mathdino]

weird, i've seen different versions of hider

the problem is a lot of these roles depend on how the role PM is worded

like i'm a bodyguard and there are 2 different ways to resolve bodyguards, 3 if you factor in interacting with other roles

but gamma didn't write blurbs for our role PMs lol

[BuJaber]

@Buj no only that if MASTINA had been jail kept she wouldn't have received the message. Since it was actually Mom who was jail kept it checks out that Mastina didn't receive the message I think

Oh shit I asked the wrong question then.

What the hell

@mod - sorry ... if a jailkept messenger sends a message would their target receive it?

[BuJaber]

but gamma didn't write blurbs for our role PMs lol

Can anyone else confirm this?

[the worst]

No

[acryon]

Acryon pinkie promise you're town right now

Pinkie promise.

[BuJaber]

Acryon can you explain why kthx is scum here in as much detail as possible please?

I have a reason for wanting it reiterated.

[Mathdino]

WAIT I FUCKED UP LOL

gamma did in fact write a blurb for my role PM

it's just vague and doesn't really answer any questions about the role within the PM itself

[the worst]

Acryon pinkie promise you're town right now

Pinkie promise.

If you're scum you will not be coming to my birthday party.

Confirm I'm targeting acryon tonight.

[Almost50]

Something to ponder on:

Spoiler:

We are 8 vs 3 now.
mislynch + NK = 6 vs 3
scum lynch + NK = 5 vs 2
mislynch + NK = 3 vs 2
And we know there is no Vig, so I would definitely fake a guilty on someone of I was Mafia here in this situation. A 1 for 1 isn't such a bad gamble for Scum right now, especially with the town so divided.

^That's the motive^

HOWEVER, let's consider Kthxbye is town who misunderstood his result and scum are taking advantage of it. It would be even more plausible for them to push BOTH wagons (i.e. split themselves between them) so as to get one lynched and be semi-guaranteed the other will follow.

In this case we are 8 vs 3
mislynch + NK = 6 vs 3
mislynch + NK = 4 vs 3
So that is LyLo already.

UNVOTE:

[Mathdino]

the worst, the way you phrased things seems to imply you can confirm some people as town but some people you won't know if they're town or scum. Is that accurate?

Like a Neapolitan-esque role, although obviously not actually Neapolitan.

[acryon]

Acryon can you explain why kthx is scum here in as much detail as possible please?

I have a reason for wanting it reiterated.

1051 just sucks. Trying to guilt the town into voting me saying he's "done" if it doesnt go through. Interestingly he doesn't seem so interested in me now.

1188 is total speculation (and false, FWIW), yet being used as a reason for why I'm scum.

And then I've made quite clear my thoughts on this recent gambit. I think it was an attempt to clear out someone that would've been difficult to lynch, and then an easy "misunderstanding" tomorrow after a green flip.

P.edit: I guess I hadn't realized it could be this dire. Leaving my vote since you unvoted, but echoing the sentiment that we need to think more about all of this.

[Almost50]

weird, i've seen different versions of hider

You may have, but if what you saw was the standard the Hider will never need to crumb or explicitly mention their target beforehand if there is ever a Tracker in the game. Also, can you block a Hider? No. If you could then Hider should never claim in case Scum have a Blocker.

[the worst]

How do you know there's only 3 scum?

What is the likelihood of a third party?

How does 2 NKs = conclusively no vig?

the worst, the way you phrased things seems to imply you can confirm some people as town but some people you won't know if they're town or scum. Is that accurate?

Like a Neapolitan-esque role, although obviously not actually Neapolitan.

That's not a bad way to put it. My flip will explain the bits I'm not expressly saying if it comes to that

[BuJaber]

WAIT I FUCKED UP LOL

gamma did in fact write a blurb for my role PM

it's just vague and doesn't really answer any questions about the role within the PM itself

Lol .. man do you know how difficult it is for me to scumread you? I wanted to catch you in the lie but I still can't because of all the shit you did all game.

I really wish your read on acryon would align with mine it'd make me very confident in it.


- pedit acryon so you think he is lying about his claim?