Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

[BuJaber]

Kthx so we're assuming no result definitely does not mean no action performed; what made you reach that conclusion in the end?

Did someone actually pm the mod with questions to verify?

[Mathdino]

Current claims:
mastina: 1-shot Doc, 1-shot Rolecop, 1-shot Roleblocker
Mathdino: Bodyguard
Beefster: Jailkeeper
the worst: Investigative
Kthxbye: Follower
Almost50: Commuter
Marangal: Messenger
acryon: Effective VT
Bujaber: Effective VT

InfernoBrafin, Not_Mafia, unclaimed.

So assuming we're lynching Not_Mafia:
In the case of scumflip, this somewhat incriminates A50.
In the case of a townflip, I agree this doesn't really help any, although it somewhat incriminates the people willing to vote him that were unwilling to vote A50.

Our goal is to clear people while preventing mafia from doing anything without incriminating themselves.

In the case of Not_Mafia flipping scum, it would be cool if you guys called who the scumteam is.

Don't worry about the VCA, he could've self-hammered just now.

In the case of Not_Mafia flipping town, we're gonna have a greater issue in preventing scum from doing things, and will probably have to settle for using PRs defencively and to confirm people's roles (not alignments).

[Kthxbye]

Kthx so we're assuming no result definitely does not mean no action performed; what made you reach that conclusion in the end?

Did someone actually pm the mod with questions to verify?

I did, yes

[Kthxbye]

MD, thats assuming scum dont kill me tonight

[Kthxbye]

A50 is going to be around tomorrow as town or scum. In fact, we will either have to lynch him at some point or he's going to end game, and that's bad.

Actually, side thought, unless we explicitly want him alive at end game, why aren't we lynching him today?

With all the doubt about the claim and play, if we cant confirm his as town, it's a huge liability. Basically, we make a game winning/losing decision right now that he is conftown or not.

[Momrangal]

In point of fact, one of the reasons you're scum IS that it's only half the playerlist. If you were town then the scum would want to lynch you and town would also want to lynch you; because you're scum, scum are going out of their way to avoid lynching you and you have given enough hesitance to enough town players that the town can't lynch scum-Almost50 easily given they lack bussers to accomplish the feat

How does this not apply to you?

[Kthxbye]

Having unconfirmed town him alive does nothing for us anymore (admittedly my fault) as scum wont attempt to shoot him at night and will, if he's town, bring today's events back to light at end game.

[acryon]

A50 is going to be around tomorrow as town or scum. In fact, we will either have to lynch him at some point or he's going to end game, and that's bad.

Actually, side thought, unless we explicitly want him alive at end game, why aren't we lynching him today?

With all the doubt about the claim and play, if we cant confirm his as town, it's a huge liability. Basically, we make a game winning/losing decision right now that he is conftown or not.

This is mostly a good point, but I'm thinking we do have a way to confirm him right?

In point of fact, one of the reasons you're scum IS that it's only half the playerlist. If you were town then the scum would want to lynch you and town would also want to lynch you; because you're scum, scum are going out of their way to avoid lynching you and you have given enough hesitance to enough town players that the town can't lynch scum-Almost50 easily given they lack bussers to accomplish the feat

How does this not apply to you?

Because they are above it all.

[Momrangal]

Half the player base is scum reading you
A few are town reading you

And the rest are refusing to take a stance on you in any way, shape or form.

Further more, you are pushing the fact that A50 is hiding information and refusing to claim and IF HE WERE SCUM WHY WOULDN'T HE JUST FAKE CLAIM RIGHT THEN AND THERE

You also pushing him as hiding info as scum-motivated as aspect because I KNOW that he's the kind of person to do that.

He's a heavy gambitter. To be such a person you need to keep cards close to your chest, and not reveal info until YOU are ready. The person who is performing the gambit, not the rest of the town.

I know that about him and I only have this game and (redacted) so why don't you know this stuff about his play? Why don't you know that this is what he does as both scum and town and just pushing it as this what he does as scum and only scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Votecount 2.3

(2) Almost50: BuJaber, Carrot and Stick
(1) Kthxbye: Momrangal
(2) Carrot and Stick: Not_Mafia, Almost50
(3) Not_Mafia: the worst, Beefster, Kthxbye

(3) Not voting: InfernoBrafin, acryon, Mathdino

(expired on 2018-03-18 14:15:00)
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch

[Kthxbye]

Hell, same goes for acryon. Now VT, with no way to conf town him.

P.edit: acryon, how can we confirm him?

[Momrangal]

Also, mastina has the gall to call out people as scum for going after low hanging fruit when that's exactly what N_M is

[Momrangal]

VOTE: carrot and stick

[acryon]

Hell, same goes for acryon. Now VT, with no way to conf town him.

P.edit: acryon, how can we confirm him?

MD outlines two different investigative roles in 1726.

And yes I suppose that applies to me too. I welcome an investigative, but I think A50 is likely more important to sort out than me.

[Kthxbye]

Problem is we cant effectively target a commuter to get a result per NAR....so....yeah, no confirming commuter

[Momrangal]

Uh
Uh
Uuuhhhhh....

If A50 doesn't commute he can be targeted

[Mathdino]

I mean our goal if N_M flips scum should be to completely prevent the scumteam from performing a nightkill on anyone without getting fucked up.
The problem is if A50 is just a mafia ascetic, we won't be able to stop him anyway, since no one can target him. This is actually why I strongly prefer the A50 lynch.

If N_M flips town, there's basically no way we can stop the NK, so our goal would be to stop them from killing our investigatives and townbloc.
Mathdino protects the worst
mastina guards Kthxbye
Beefster jails Bujaber
Seems to work.

[acryon]

I mean our goal if N_M flips scum should be to completely prevent the scumteam from performing a nightkill on anyone without getting fucked up.
The problem is if A50 is just a mafia ascetic, we won't be able to stop him anyway, since no one can target him. This is actually why I strongly prefer the A50 lynch.

Can't we just tell A50 that he needs to not commute?

[Mathdino]

That only works if we can ensure that ascetic/commuter gets a different result from "did nothing".

If "no result" is different from "did nothing", then yeah, we can do that.

[Gamma Emerald]

That only works if we can ensure that ascetic/commuter gets a different result from "did nothing".

If "no result" is different from "did nothing", then yeah, we can do that.

As I assume one of you will ask eventually; no result is different than did nothing.

[Mathdino]

Okay, so N_M scumflip means we follow A50 again (and make sure he doesn't commute) and jail/roleblock whoever might also be scum.

[Not_Mafia]

Made when obvscum mastina gets away with it because no one wants to read her posts

[acryon]

Okay, so N_M scumflip means we follow A50 again (and make sure he doesn't commute) and jail/roleblock whoever might also be scum.

Shouldn't we follow A50 even if N_M flips town?

[Mathdino]

Made when obvscum mastina gets away with it because no one wants to read her posts

...are you reading her posts?

anyway you might wanna claim

given my vote's on you and mastina definitely votes you on return

Edit: i guess

[Not_Mafia]

Mfw*