Open 710: MKUltra - Foreign Spies Win!

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #700 (ISO) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:34 am

Spring could be redscum tbh
But the only reason I have for that was her comment on Kop death: it was kinda too descriptive

Alisae · Post Post #701 (ISO) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:35 am

In post 700, GuyInFreezer wrote:Spring could be redscum tbh
But the only reason I have for that was her comment on Kop death: it was kinda too descriptive

Then vote her.
Plus killing Fire should be our focus since less kills the better situation we're in.

Alisae · Post Post #702 (ISO) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:39 am

but yeah I joined this game to troll with Mikan because being town in multiball is literally torture. Hence why I joined on Mikan.
I came with the intention to troll shitpost and RP
but I'm pissed off now and NOT happy.
So goodbye masochistic girl hello shitty asshole person.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #703 (ISO) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:48 am

VOTE: spring

springlullaby · Post Post #704 (ISO) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:03 am

Alisae, thank you for stopping the trolling.

I read TD as strong town and already explained it. I don't actually know that you are town, just annoying to read on you other alt, enough to make me want not to bother.
You confirming that you were trolling makes me right, not lazy. Me putting pressure on you to stop the bullshit, make me protown, not scum.
BTW, the mod shouldn't have tolerated you switching account like that, it's all least bad practice.

Anyway, GIF is voting me because I made an hypothesis about why KOP was killed. Please demonstrate that it was a hypothesis only scum could have emitted. Thanks.

It's the ego parade in there.

springlullaby · Post Post #705 (ISO) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:10 am

BTW, just throwing another wrench in there, this is multiball, no scum can actually know that another player isn't scum. This is just eww from Alisae and makes me thing ego parade OMGUS more than scum because it's just so dumb.

Anyway. I'll be reviewing the game once more sometimes tomorrow, put in a definitive vote and call it a day.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #706 (ISO) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:57 am

In post 704, springlullaby wrote:Please demonstrate that it was a hypothesis only scum could have emitted.

You know, this is not how mafia works. Lot of the things can come from both town and mafia. It's more of "which alignment is more likely to do this"

springlullaby · Post Post #707 (ISO) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:42 am

And which alignement is more likely to think that the Kop kill, on a lurker was trying to target a doc?

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #708 (ISO) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:45 am

In post 707, springlullaby wrote:And which alignement is more likely to think that the Kop kill, on a lurker was trying to target a doc?

Both!

But that's not my point sooooo
(Hint: It's "too descriptive" part)

Sesq · Post Post #709 (ISO) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:59 am

thanks alisae, i needed that. i've been a lazy player (and also shitting on wallposts all day)

between spring and gif i'm unsure

skitter30 · Post Post #710 (ISO) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:49 am

In post 682, skitter30 wrote:Then I guess I think it's probably suboptimal for you to want a Mikan lynch today given that you strongly think they're partners with sky.

GIF, I actually find it quite troubling that you started the day pushing for an Alisae lynch given that you think they're ice mafia; it's kinda hard for me to believe that you've overlooked the notion that it's obviously optimal to find fire mafia today.

In post 692, Alisae wrote:Its much more likely that Scum shot RC in attempt to pin me for shooting him after RC's twilight read on me in attempts to help score my mislynch.
Therefore, GiF's read is not a naturally formed response.

I mean, it is possible that scum shot RC to frame you, but from my POV, it's just as likely that scum!you shot RC because you thought he was going to push you the next day, and that you're now brushing off the connection as a frame attempt.

Like idk if the RC kill directly points to scum!you .... but I don't think it directly points to you being framed either. They're both valid WIFOM-y options to me, so I'm not putting super much thought into the implications of the RC kill especially since it could just be he got killed cuz they figured out he was the doc, or for some other reason altogether. Like idk if the RC kill is directly related to you, meant to look like it was related to you when it wasn't, or not related to you at all, and I don't really think there's a way for me to come to any firm conclusions about this, so I'm just kinda ignoring it, cuz otherwise I'm probably just going to get stuck pondering WIFOM.

In post 692, Alisae wrote:Why would you ever shoot someone who has mislynch equitity?

Yeah that's why the NM and Kop kills are kinda bizarre to me.

I don't really like GIF's reaction to the NM kill tbh. Like he said that it likely came from someone who was scumreading him and was looking for scum from the opposing team. I guess the next thing I'd do there if I believed that would be to go look at the people who scumread NM and see which of them makes sense to have performed the kill. But he just kinda dropped that idea and never really followed up on it so it felt like he was just largely shading anyone who scumread NM without actually doing anything about it.

And it felt kinda distance-y and posture-y since GIF had been loudly proclaiming a townread on NM - if he floats the idea that someone with a scumread on NM killed him, it kinda distances him from the kill.

In post 696, Alisae wrote:their FoS on Skitter seems like they are just forming reads on the spot.

Tbh I don't often have people complaining about the wallposts and also say that I'm low-content at the same time.

In post 696, Alisae wrote:Spring is making no attempt to get a read on my own play because she knows I'm town.

I don't think it's possible for her to know that you're town even if she's scum given that it's multiball. I don't think that you're scum together, but from her POV if she's scum it's quite possible that you're opposing-team scum.

In post 696, Alisae wrote:Her read on me is extremely lacking in that its day 3 and there should be more then enough information to get a read off of my slot. It really doesn't feel like she's trying to sort my alignment here. And if her townread on me is so strong then it really doesn't feel like she's making any attempt to really defend my lynch, if anything it feels like she doesn't care if it goes through. Hence why I asked for a towncase, if she was town and thought I was town and had a strong townread on me, she would attempt to do everything in her power to make sure I am not the lynch today. However she's not doing that.

+1

(Although I disagree with the notion that your slot is town; my read is still mostly based on TD cuz you haven't really been posting much. Most AI thing I got from *you* is that I don't like your Red vote - he was obviously a new player and I think that you calling him scummy for finding the rp scummy is kinda predatory given that I'm pretty sure you know that the rp made it harder for people to read you.)

In post 698, Alisae wrote:When it comes to Icon, I would like to see why he thinks I'm the pigeon's partner, but I kinda just think he's scum for attempting to rush my lynch today. Like I kinda don't get why he's in such a hurry.

Kinda agree. I want you lynched, but I don't want you lynched *right now*. I think that the day can still be used to sort other people. I'm not sold on scum!Ico tbh, but I do feel :/ about GIF and spring.

In post 705, springlullaby wrote:BTW, just throwing another wrench in there, this is multiball, no scum can actually know that another player isn't scum. This is just eww from Alisae and makes me thing ego parade OMGUS more than scum because it's just so dumb.

Anyway. I'll be reviewing the game once more sometimes tomorrow, put in a definitive vote and call it a day.

I don't like how easily you dropped the Alisae townread when they questioned you on it.

Alisae · Post Post #711 (ISO) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:08 pm

In post 704, springlullaby wrote:BTW, the mod shouldn't have tolerated you switching account like that, it's all least bad practice.

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Alisae · Post Post #712 (ISO) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:11 pm

In post 705, springlullaby wrote:BTW, just throwing another wrench in there, this is multiball, no scum can actually know that another player isn't scum. This is just eww from Alisae and makes me thing ego parade OMGUS more than scum because it's just so dumb.

Nope it applies just because you're scum doesn't mean you can't think a player is going to flip town and act like it will.

If this is all you have to say then you should just die.
Also if you think its dumb great, no one cares and we're just going to lynch you today anyways~

Alisae · Post Post #713 (ISO) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:13 pm

In post 710, skitter30 wrote:Like idk if the RC kill directly points to scum!you .... but I don't think it directly points to you being framed either. They're both valid WIFOM-y options to me, so I'm not putting super much thought into the implications of the RC kill especially since it could just be he got killed cuz they figured out he was the doc, or for some other reason altogether. Like idk if the RC kill is directly related to you, meant to look like it was related to you when it wasn't, or not related to you at all, and I don't really think there's a way for me to come to any firm conclusions about this, so I'm just kinda ignoring it, cuz otherwise I'm probably just going to get stuck pondering WIFOM.

Its being pushed, therefore it was probably a frame job.

Alisae · Post Post #714 (ISO) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:14 pm

In post 704, springlullaby wrote:thank you for stopping the trolling.

HEY SPRING
HEY SPRING
HEY SPRING
STOP TROLLING
STOP TROLLING
STOP TROLLING

YOUR GARBAGE PLAY IS THE SAME AS TROLLING IF YOU'RE TOWN
STOP IT.

Alisae · Post Post #715 (ISO) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:15 pm

In post 704, springlullaby wrote:Me putting pressure on you to stop the bullshit, make me protown, not scum.

LOL

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #716 (ISO) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:17 pm

In post 710, skitter30 wrote:And it felt kinda distance-y and posture-y since GIF had been loudly proclaiming a townread on NM - if he floats the idea that someone with a scumread on NM killed him, it kinda distances him from the kill.

I can only see NM kill as an attempt to xkill. Like, think about it for just a bit. Would killing NM for wifom reason worth it when there are others?

...You know what, I'll just come clean. I'm just mostly salty that even he get to eat a nightkill over me.

Iconeum · Post Post #717 (ISO) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:44 pm

In post 124, Tatl and Tael wrote:So I was going to give TD space but at this point there's something I dislike about every single one of their posts and the only person I feel strongly enough about to consider as an alternative is RedFlavor but even them there's stuff I like? Like there's not really any comparable options to me and that's the only situation I'd consider lynching someone I expect to be active, so, like idk, I don't want to not wagon scum right now. Let's get this wagon going seriously and we'll see if TD does anything to make me reevaluate that read.

-Tael

@Mumble I still expect a response to my question.

VOTE: Technical Difficulties

Sesq feels town, Skitter has been bumped up to near locktown, not happy with mumble, Kop is okay.

In post 412, Tatl and Tael wrote:Alisae you fucking know better than to question me being docced.

REMINDER THAT ALISAEA SLOT REPLACES TD AND IS SCUM 100% OF THE TIME.

In post 413, Tatl and Tael wrote:Alisa's is literally scumclaiming right now so if I die you know who the next two lynches are, neither of those two would contest doc on me ever as town.

Probably even scum together.

In post 421, Tatl and Tael wrote:Not intentionally outing alts but he replaced an obvscum slot and both of you are trying to encourage the doc to encourage someone who hard caught gif scum in our last game and hard caught Ali in Night and Day

Ali doesn't push some.sort of crap about how I shoulsnt be docced for having been absent s few days nor does he ever call me scummy for that hammer

In post 423, Tatl and Tael wrote:
In post 420, Mikan Tsumiki wrote:
In post 417, Tatl and Tael wrote:hi you know I'm good enough to do better plays as scum than to lurk and scummy hammer and my Hydra partner not doing her part isn't going to.make scum any less likely to nightkill me?

Like 100% one team kills me if I'm not docced I only live if both do
U-uh, I think its just my opinion that I don't like the fact you've been laying low.
Fuck you you know that I don't lurk or lie low as scum in multiball where my only chance of survival is the doc save.

Ali is scum

In post 432, Tatl and Tael wrote:This isn't the way townisae talks to me.

Doc on me or not, mikan isn't surviving tomorrow ever

So yeah I'm basicly sheeping this read at this point

springlullaby · Post Post #718 (ISO) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:58 pm

In post 710, skitter30 wrote:
In post 682, skitter30 wrote:
In post 705, springlullaby wrote:BTW, just throwing another wrench in there, this is multiball, no scum can actually know that another player isn't scum. This is just eww from Alisae and makes me thing ego parade OMGUS more than scum because it's just so dumb.

Anyway. I'll be reviewing the game once more sometimes tomorrow, put in a definitive vote and call it a day.
I don't like how easily you dropped the Alisae townread when they questioned you on it.

I'm not sure what you are referring to but to recap if isolated, I a)read TD as town, b) read Alisae as annoying, even more so with the putting forth of dumbs argument that I underlined.

I'm trying to separate the two not to get all my reads jumbled up because of dislike of the later's posting but Alisae is not protown, that much is clear. Though the sheer ego-ness, defensive over the top tone of the posts make me think more annoying than scum.

springlullaby · Post Post #719 (ISO) » Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:01 pm

And believe me, I trying very hard to not vote Alisae. But I have a strong read on TD and am sticking to it.

GIF, you said that you had other reads, but can you recap thank you.

Alisae · Post Post #720 (ISO) » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:49 am

In post 717, Iconeum wrote:So yeah I'm basicly sheeping this read at this point

Form your own reads based on your own conclusions.
Plus I can bring up multiple quotes where RC as said that he cannot read me reliably.

Alisae · Post Post #721 (ISO) » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:50 am

Oh wait you're scum
riiiiiiiiiiight.

Iconeum · Post Post #722 (ISO) » Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:14 am

In post 720, Alisae wrote:
In post 717, Iconeum wrote:So yeah I'm basicly sheeping this read at this point
Form your own reads based on your own conclusions.
Plus I can bring up multiple quotes where RC as said that he cannot read me reliably.

If I had a firmer grip on this game I would def be pushing my own reads... BUT I don't so I reread confirmed town ISO's and there are pretty solid reads on you there so it's good enough for me

In post 721, Alisae wrote:Oh wait you're scum
riiiiiiiiiiight.

OMGUS much?

Alisae · Post Post #723 (ISO) » Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:59 am

In post 722, Iconeum wrote:
In post 720, Alisae wrote:
In post 717, Iconeum wrote:So yeah I'm basicly sheeping this read at this point
Form your own reads based on your own conclusions.
Plus I can bring up multiple quotes where RC as said that he cannot read me reliably.
If I had a firmer grip on this game I would def be pushing my own reads... BUT I don't so I reread confirmed town ISO's and there are pretty solid reads on you there so it's good enough for me

In post 721, Alisae wrote:Oh wait you're scum
riiiiiiiiiiight.
I know what buzzwords are but not what they mean hur dur.

Dead Townies don't always have god accuracy reads and RC's been dropping the ball a bit lately with his read accuracy.

And yes
Also, I see you can use the buzzword OMGUS.
So I um kinda interpreted your post differently and wrote it in the quote. You can look for yourself

Alisae · Post Post #724 (ISO) » Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:07 am

Like seriously
OMGUS is a mere bagatelle.
If you're going to rely on pointing out when someone OMGUS'es someone, you should stop playing mafia, because you are incompetent.
In fact, I have a little letter to give you.
just for you.
I mailed it to you it should be at your doorstep by now
oh wait it is.
And let me remind you that red truth does not lie

Spoiler: Letter to Icon