VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[Maid Cafe]

My other option is lock my vote, late in the day. Publically so scum still know I have mana.
On a natural wagon that won't just disband so I can get my mana and do something else.

Those are my 2 options.
~B

[Tibor and Lumia]

Things seem to be heating up, so I should get back to my catch-up
UNVOTE: Almost50
Because we definitely agree now that this isn't that good of a vote.
~Lumia

[Reasonably Rational]

So, what else is going on? Besides this dumb discussion about vote swapping, and the dumb discussion about Charas fake miller claim.

Where were we at before we embarked on this conversation?

-Cerb

[OnTheMark]

At Cerb

Poking Skybird because of reasons reasons reasons

[Maid Cafe]

I mean Chara faking a miller claim is fine, like when I have done it to cover for stuff.
And if you really think you needed to not be NKd in this game then whatever.

I claimed miller as cop so I wouldn't get NKd (I got vigged and its my fault for not retracting when I saw the vig in play)
I claimed miller as mason to avoid getting investigated.

But like as soon as you saw the public role thief not retracting the claim created risk for the town.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I don't think it's on Cerb if he truly wasted an action on you. Like when I got vigged as a cop it wasn't on the vig it was on me.

~B

[OnTheMark]

My other option is lock my vote, late in the day. Publically so scum still know I have mana.
On a natural wagon that won't just disband so I can get my mana and do something else.

Those are my 2 options.
~B

The real question is why do you feel you have to have mana right now?

[Tibor and Lumia]

Do you have any controversial opinions, or ones that, based on your knowledge of me, I wouldn't find to be sufficiently justified with what you've posted in the thread so far, so I can ask you about them?

no, not really.
i actually don't know what i expected. good chat. <3

pedit: can i answer this one too!

YES!

Everyone can answer it!

-Cerb

I don't think I do.
~Lumia

[OnTheMark]

Just chill and go slow Beeboy.

[Venmar]

I should just expect everyone, even the people who I respect, to play like shit?

Got it. Will do so going forward.

Expectations officially lowered.

you should stop being incredibly disingenuous. nobody is really below or above any type of play.

[Tibor and Lumia]

@mark ok push was a bad choice i meant generally the stuff you were talking about

does who is aligned with who (but not their actual alignment) count as an answer to that question?

Hey has Shiro been around and what thoughts has she given?

[Tibor and Lumia]

~Lumia

[Maid Cafe]

My other option is lock my vote, late in the day. Publically so scum still know I have mana.
On a natural wagon that won't just disband so I can get my mana and do something else.

Those are my 2 options.
~B

The real question is why do you feel you have to have mana right now?

So I can only gain mana publically.
And having power is better then not having power.
Help me or don't help me. You can disagree with my POV if you think a VT is stronger then an open PR that makes us vote oddly for 1 VC but I have trouble seeing you not realize why I just want mana.

~B

[Chara]

I don't think it's on Cerb if he truly wasted an action on you. Like when I got vigged as a cop it wasn't on the vig it was on me.

~B

no, you're probably right about that.

[Bronya Zaychik]

@RR, I have an idea. What is the earliest theoretical point where 2 slots could lynch a target supposing 1 death per day (lynch) and 1 kill per night? How many vote addition or removal cards are in play?

This avoids alignment so it may help.

[Reasonably Rational]

My other option is lock my vote, late in the day. Publically so scum still know I have mana.
On a natural wagon that won't just disband so I can get my mana and do something else.

Those are my 2 options.
~B

Okay, real talk here B: People aren't going to work to enable your mana generation every day barring a cop clear on you. It just won't happen. Maybe you can convince a specific set of people to do it(you already have one, you just need two more), but you should really just ask for the three volunteers, and either you get them or you don't. This conversation doesn't need to take up nearly this much time.

-Cerb

@Venmar: Unless you're using disingenuous incorrectly, you're absolutely fucking wrong. You have NO fucking clue how sincere I am, or what I expect of people, or what I know about them.

[Bronya Zaychik]

I should just expect everyone, even the people who I respect, to play like shit?

Got it. Will do so going forward.

Expectations officially lowered.

you should stop being incredibly disingenuous. nobody is really below or above any type of play.

This is correct but RR is correct that he should document play he doesn't expect and why.

[Venmar]

english is my 2nd language, i probably used it wrong. pretentious might've been the right word, i don't know, i just don't think you should punish people for not playing to your high standards. chara's play might've not been the best but you're just shading chara as a player and not just for the play at that point

pedit: re Cerberus

[Tibor and Lumia]

ask questions when you're caught up, Gamma. <3

Sorry but even though I'm not caught up I have a couple questions.
1) why did you fakeclaim Venmar's role?
2) why did you recant your desire to lynch town today and call those who took it seriously scum (brass informed me about this one)?
~Lumia

[Maid Cafe]

Anyway once I get mana I want to lynch Micc.

~B

[Chara]

god, alright. this is making me sick. i'd rather lose this stupid game than have Cerb this pissed at me. i didn't know, i'm sorry, i won't do it again, fuck whatever reason i had for doing it.

RR, Mark, are town. highest confidence is RR town. Tibor/Skybird/Iconeum are scummy. no reads anywhere else at the moment.

[Reasonably Rational]

@Venmar: I'm actually praising Chara as a player by saying that I don't expect poor play from them, and what they just did counts as poor play to me. It's not a matter of punishing them, it's a a matter that no matter what else happens for the rest of this game, there will ALWAYS be this rather large black mark against Chara that will make it very difficult to properly sort them, simply because they did something that's REALLY far outside of their town play.

-Cerb

[Maid Cafe]

I've seen far worse gambits don't worry.

~B

[Bronya Zaychik]

god, alright. this is making me sick. i'd rather lose this stupid game than have Cerb this pissed at me. i didn't know, i'm sorry, i won't do it again, fuck whatever reason i had for doing it.

RR, Mark, are town. highest confidence is RR town. Tibor/Skybird/Iconeum are scummy. no reads anywhere else at the moment.

Join me on Icon?

[Chara]

Sorry but even though I'm not caught up I have a couple questions.
1) why did you fakeclaim Venmar's role?
2) why did you recant your desire to lynch town today and call those who took it seriously scum (brass informed me about this one)?
~Lumia

1) no real reason. it was a joke. i'm not lying anymore even as a joke.
2) also facetious. lynching town on purpose fucks up the game enough that it doesn't help to solve it at all. i'm not scumreading every player who took me seriously, Skybird's reaction just stood out, and i was scumleaning her already.

pedit: considering it.