VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[OnTheMark]

It is a silly thing that doesn't get them any real towncred, since they didn't prove it, and legitimately made them more suspicious for that same reason.

See
I think A50 still does this even considering this :/

And Cerb and I think you’re wrong so let’s use the check on A50 and move on.

[Purple Heart]

Eh yeah Lie Detect A50
then we can take care of Cerby's thing tomorrow if they're alive.

[Reasonably Rational]

I also believe that the person who stole A50's vote, if that happened, did it for mana, or that A50 himself did it for mana(thus the retraction, and no action to prove it).

I have no reason to believe that, but it feels right.
-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Not A50 did the vote steal, but if he made a false claim about an action taken on him.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Plus, there's like no chance I lied about my role because there PH could just steal my role tomorrow.

Speaking of which, that's why I was considering having you steal our role PH. Coulda got a bunch more questions done today, just in case I died tonight, and it's possible that since you're not the same slot as me, we could have doubled up on categories of questions.

-Cerb

[Purple Heart]

that seems like a nice way to get mana too what is it, 1 mana per question?

[OnTheMark]

List of players strike through means not lynching them for whatever reason

Iconeum

in the hood Alisae says no I don’t get why but I don’t want the rabbit hole again

OnTheMark

like omg no

Shining Dreamers (Hydra: Yume & Mastina)

heebie jeebies

Chara

very likely town
Baku and Munna (Hydra: Randomidget & Shiro)

Maid Cafe (Hydra: Maki & Beeboy)

because reasons I am lazy if anyone is reading this I will put more reasons later

Creature

Bronya Zaychik (Hydra: Titus & Kiana Kaslana)

Almost50

Reasonably Rational (Hydra: Cerberus v666 & Drixx)

SnarkySnowman

Gamma Emerald Tibor and Lumia

Purple Heart (Hydra: Alisae & Taly)Alisae Taly

Skybird

oh how I wish Sky was a thing
Micc
Venmar
Dunnstral

VOTE: randomidget
World 42

[Purple Heart]

I scumread Icon I don't think its an all town hood I think his play is scummy.

[Reasonably Rational]

that seems like a nice way to get mana too what is it, 1 mana per question?

Our questions have no relation to our mana generation. ^^ That's a whole different fun little game.

-Cerb

[OnTheMark]

I scumread Icon I don't think its an all town hood I think his play is scummy.

But you said we’re not lynching in the hood earlier and if we are it reopens Skybird and that discussion thread. We’d be divided. I don’t see myself voting anyone but Skybird if Sky is an option.

[OnTheMark]

Whoops forgot to strike RR sorry

[Reasonably Rational]

Let's talk about Icon? Maybe not right now, I have to go to sleep, but I don't object to them as a possibility, or at least getting more content from them.

-Cerb

[Shining Dreamers]

I'm honestly a bit of a mess right now; I feel like shit, work is utterly exhausting (because I'm working two jobs, my hours are exceeding 40/week and thus I'm working more than full time; I get up at 6 am and yet I often get home at like 8 pm having 14-hour days) to the point where I was struggling not to fall asleep behind the wheel today and even nearly had an accident (admittedly I don't think it was something not being tired woulda helped with, was trying to merge over and in spite of me looking over my shoulder somehow missed the car which was there until the horn rather rudely gave me a harsh awakening to the situation) today, so.

Oh. And also I am just. Mentally scattered. I had trouble focusing at work today, I had trouble doing anything, and honestly the absolute last thing I want to be doing right now is mafia. I just want to spend time doing games of some sort. Or maybe catch up on blogging since I still have three different rambles to ramble on. But the thing is. While I want to do those things and absolutely don't want to do mafia things. If I don't do the mafia stuff now, I know I never will, so.

I'm here, for about an hour and a half. Reminder I'm on page 46; will catch up as much as I can in that time. I'll try to keep anything I can to the PT, but no promises.

[Reasonably Rational]

I'm honestly a bit of a mess right now; I feel like shit, work is utterly exhausting (because I'm working two jobs, my hours are exceeding 40/week and thus I'm working more than full time; I get up at 6 am and yet I often get home at like 8 pm having 14-hour days) to the point where I was struggling not to fall asleep behind the wheel today and even nearly had an accident (admittedly I don't think it was something not being tired woulda helped with, was trying to merge over and in spite of me looking over my shoulder somehow missed the car which was there until the horn rather rudely gave me a harsh awakening to the situation) today, so.

Oh. And also I am just. Mentally scattered. I had trouble focusing at work today, I had trouble doing anything, and honestly the absolute last thing I want to be doing right now is mafia. I just want to spend time doing games of some sort. Or maybe catch up on blogging since I still have three different rambles to ramble on. But the thing is. While I want to do those things and absolutely don't want to do mafia things. If I don't do the mafia stuff now, I know I never will, so.

I'm here, for about an hour and a half. Reminder I'm on page 46; will catch up as much as I can in that time. I'll try to keep anything I can to the PT, but no promises.

Is this the mess you were looking for Creature?

-Cerb

[OnTheMark]

Mastina can I ask a small favor before you try to catch up?

[Reasonably Rational]

Also, mastina: Take care of yourself. <3

-Cerb

[Shining Dreamers]

Iconeum needs to be pressured to see what shakes out and I'm fine with that.

I admittedly acknowledge the concerns about Iconeum have a rather large basis in fact, but I firmly believe there is a town justification for his actions that isn't scum.

their (Iconeum and Skybird's) interaction right after Iconeum votes me is something i might want to come back to.

And I'm telling you that Iconeum is mastina this game blindly townreading Skybird who is Hinduragi this game.

But if Skybird is town we are none the wiser about Maid Cafe's alignment.

Technically speaking, this is true. However, what it'd do is it'd validate Skybird's alignment as town, thereby making her content be given with a town mindset and I actually hold some interest in what she's posted, so to speak. I feel it is more likely scum than town, yes. But if she flipped town, then her reads and reasoning wouldn't be ignored because she was the lynch. I guarantee you that.

I mean I wouldn't treat her word as gospel, but I'd do what I could to work with it. Furthermore. Even ignore that factor. Skybird is basically within the POE scumteam pool. I don't need to name the scumteam on D1. But I do need to have them inside the lynchlist. I truly believe that scum aren't outside the six names I listed. It's POSSIBLE, sure, yeah. It's just not probable to me. So if Skybird flipped town, then each of the other five would have their chance of being scum skyrocket.

By BOTH halves of this. Skybird's pushes, who pushed Skybird, and the POE list, a Skybird lynch is useful regardless of her alignment.

I have a clear idea of what a Skybird townflip gives us.
I have a clear idea of what a Skybird scumflip gives us.
Arguably, I'd even say that the townflip gives MORE than the scumflip in terms of info provided, albeit being suboptimal because dead scum > dead town.

[Shining Dreamers]

Cerb I am disappointed. Gambler’s fallacy from you?

Which alignment do you expect Cerb to be when you are disappointed in him?

[OnTheMark]

Cerb I am disappointed. Gambler’s fallacy from you?

Which alignment do you expect Cerb to be when you are disappointed in him?

Town.
As scum I was actually pretty impressed with him.

[Maid Cafe]

Real talk my goal is to just flip scum atm not flip for info.


~B

[Shining Dreamers]

I have a hunch the team is Sky, Bryona, RR and munna

Aside from Bronya who're hardtown here, I'd back you up here 100% and will fully vote the fuck out of any wagon forming on any of Sky/RR/munna.

beeboy keeps making me paranoid of Maid Cafe.
beeboy, why's baku town?

Why indeed.

The paranoia isn't paranoia. Both Maki and bee are hitting all the right scum notes. Paranoia isn't calling them scum; paranoia is calling them town. (Which admittedly I'd be lying if I said I held none of; there's a fair amount because while they hit ALL the right scum notes, they hit a

few

town notes.)

[Almost50]

Almost50; what do you think about Skybird outing the hood, and the Shining Dreamers wagon?

Sky is at the bottom of my readlist, so I'd say she outing the hood was ill-intended, but to what purpose? I have no idea.

To reiterate, scum do have day chat as per the rules, so if Sky intended to expose the hood to her team she would have done it in their PT.. UNLESS SHE'S A TRAITOR with no access to the Scum PT!! (Note: I don't recall Varsoon ever using a Traitor though, but I've seen the Traitor in the Real Folks Blues 1st run doing it)

As for Dreamers, I'm undecided on their alignment, but the push on them seems unnatural, and I don't think Town would have to use extra voting abilities to get a lynch through on D1, which is why I'm having Dreamers as a town lean (that and the Yume AtE, but I admit I have a soft spot for Yume's AtE unlike my usual stiff self).

[OnTheMark]

Almost50; what do you think about Skybird outing the hood, and the Shining Dreamers wagon?

Sky is at the bottom of my readlist, so I'd say she outing the hood was ill-intended, but to what purpose? I have no idea.

To reiterate, scum do have day chat as per the rules, so if Sky intended to expose the hood to her team she would have done it in their PT.. UNLESS SHE'S A TRAITOR with no access to the Scum PT!! (Note: I don't recall Varsoon ever using a Traitor though, but I've seen the Traitor in the Real Folks Blues 1st run doing it)

As for Dreamers, I'm undecided on their alignment, but the push on them seems unnatural, and I don't think Town would have to use extra voting abilities to get a lynch through on D1, which is why I'm having Dreamers as a town lean (that and the Yume AtE, but I admit I have a soft spot for Yume's AtE unlike my usual stiff self).

...Again Sky didn’t out the hood
Mastina did and sky confirmed it.

[Shining Dreamers]

oh, Venmar's also joined the townlist.

He joined it long, long ago.

Dunnstral has no reason to be scum and has reason to be town. This is one of the few instances where I can actually defend Maid Cafe and agree with them, at least on the read itself if nothing else. This is well within Dunnstral's town meta and not exactly what I'd expect from him as scum...but even without the meta, what little he HAS done I'd call able to be described by, "This has a clear definitive town motive present behind it; this has no apparent scum motive behind it".

Iconeum I acknowledge there are some rather strong reasons for him to be scum. His approach, his content, all of it sucks and is not what I would have expected coming from him as scum...but in spite of that. There is a VERY strong motive present behind his actions which tells me "This is something I don't see coming from scum and I understand it coming from town".

Tibor and Lumia are in the town list because while their content has been objectively terrible, it has not been objectively scum. Quite the opposite, their content lacks a scum motive. The closest I can pick up to a scum motive is how bad their reads are...but they aren't of sufficient skill where you can burden of proficiency them. (Btw, hint: this is one of the reasons Creature is not significantly higher on my readslist; he CAN be burden of proficiency'd, and so far his reads lack the magic of being stellar to the point of shining his alignment through.)

The reasons they give might be shit, and the reads they give might be shit. But neither makes a person scum in of itself. You have to evaluate the person as a whole and the situation as a whole and come to the conclusion, thinking like THEY do, "Does this make sense coming from town?" or "Does this make sense coming from scum?" It doesn't really make sense coming from scum; it

does

make sense coming from town.

These are the players above Venmar who aren't locktown, but give you a good frame of reference for what I mean: townblocked players, who COULD be scum, they just...aren't.

Venmar himself, I admit it's mostly inexplicable. If I had to call a reason for him to be town, it'd be a combination of gut and tone, in that I like what he is saying and think him saying it comes from a perspective more likely to be town than not, but I lack any concrete way of describing this. It is something that exists across all his content.

Btw, the players below Venmar that are still in that same "townbloc players who COULD be scum, they just...aren't"?

Micc, I explained my read more or less there already:

Micc is a scum looking for a town player to mislynch's best friend. What I mean by that is, Micc is disproportionately likely to be town...but he is a player that even his strongest proponents for defending him have very little they can do or say in the way of advocating for his townness, whereas in contrast he has plenty which can be used to push for a lynch on him.

He isn't, however, qualified as EITHER lynchbait OR low-hanging fruit. He's not someone people think is an "easy target". He is someone who there is cause to go after, and yet there is no fallout for having gone after him and no fallout from being wrong on him. In other words. Micc is the scum's dream mislynch. A player that can be voted while looking town in voting him.

I realize I used this as a point against Maid Cafe because their vote on him was bad, but the townread still holds along those same lines.

Micc is a mislynch in the making; he has all the hallmarks of a town mislynch and none of the hallmarks of a correct scum lynch. Micc's content is much the same as Tibor and Lumia's, in that it is objectively scummy...but it is not actually objectively scum. Again, when coming from the approach of reading what the mindset behind Micc's actions would be, there is a VERY strong, apparent, self-evident narrative for him to be town, but the perspective for him being scum has a narrative which is a stretch, at best.

He's someone who could possibly be scum, yes, because the nature of his content could come from scum...but based around every factor in the game, he just isn't.

Almost50 I also believe I more or less explained (it's possible I did so in the PT, and if so, Yume can verify I more or less said this), but basically, while I recognize that he is lacking a lot of his signature town self, he is also lacking any of his scum self as far as I can tell and weakly, the him I see is indicative of him being town.

This can give you an excellent frame of reference for what I mean with my positions.

If you have questions, then you can always ask them.
If Yume directs me to them I'll answer them; if she doesn't, then I'll still answer them, just...much, much, much later, when I actually reach that point in the thread.

[OnTheMark]

Can you please interact real time Mastina?