Alright, thanks for the answers!In post 21, ruru wrote:It was a random vote with the added benefit that *if* he is lurking and not just AFK, that it might get him to talk. That purpose has already been somewhat derailed but now we have new information anyway.
ofrhz's "I don’t think lurking is a scum tell" is by far the scummiest thing I've seen so far.
1. Alright, you didn't vote her back then, why are you voting her now?In post 22, ofrhz wrote:1. I tried to vote ruru earlier to get her to explain her vote but the post didn’t go through. By the time I noticed, both you and Sajj had a vote on her and ruru responded too.In post 20, Oxy wrote:
I asked because your post 12 was suspicious of ruru and I noticed that not only did you not vote in that post, but that you haven't voted at all.
2. @sajj, Your vote didn’t seem like a random vote so I’m wondering why you would single me out for not doing rvs.
3. Also are we even in rvs? Genuine question
Nah, not really. I have bearly interacted with two people. But since you asked:In post 26, Oxy wrote:@Scioness Sajj Any reads yet?
Where is Ruru coming from, why don't you agree, and what approach would you take instead?Scioness Sajj wrote:I get where Ruru is coming from, I don't really agree with what she is saying but that's just different approach, it seems.
Yeah, I saw 20 it didn't have any context that's why I have asked.In post 28, Oxy wrote:I gave my reads in 20, and I continue to like those reads in the few posts since. Now that you're back, I'm interested in starting to form another read.
Where is Ruru coming from, why don't you agree, and what approach would you take instead?Scioness Sajj wrote:I get where Ruru is coming from, I don't really agree with what she is saying but that's just different approach, it seems.
In post 16, I said this: @ruru, any number of reasons to not post. Maybe someone checked the thread and didn’t have time to post a reply. Also Ppl have different game styles. Lurking this early in a game isn’t really stalling a game and holding town backIn post 24, ruru wrote: I mean I still want to know why you think lurking isn't at all scummy and this post does not address that
Wouldn't go as far as calling it 'super town motivated', she could have just engage somebody that has already posted in the thread, since time zones and what not. At first glance it look to me like forced lamist attepmpt.In post 30, Oxy wrote:In reality, Ruru had checked other members of the game, found the person who had been active most recently, and chose them. This is super town motivated because it increases the chances that Ruru has to actually engage with the person they vote on.
All of this is pretty meh. 1. You said you wanted to engage somebody that would be likely to answer yet you've chosen somebody that didn't even confirm receiving a role card. If you really share an approach with Ruru then your timeline is off. 2. Ew, overcompensating selfmeta.In post 30, Oxy wrote:It also turns out to be exactly the mindset that I took last night while waiting for the game to begin. I made the following image to accompany a vote on Callitwhatyouwant, referencing the difference in our name lengths:
*insert nice mspaint piece*
And then I looked at everyone's last time online, realized how long it had been since they had logged in, and decided to switch RVS votes to someone more likely to be active early. Scum!Oxy would have likely used the original image, had he bothered to make an image at all, since it would give him an excuse to passively wait for his RVS target to show up.
1. I don't know why you assumed ofrhz is uncomfortable with rvs, 16 pretty clearly states they are indifferent. 2. why is bolded part bolded? 3. making mistakes like that is nai imo.In post 30, Oxy wrote:7 has a carefree attitude that I like in response to an RVS vote, and that I especially like coming from someone not comfortable with RVS generally.
12, 16 seemed odd in the moment because they misrepresented what Ruru had actually written.
18 apologizes for the misunderstanding, andproceeds to never bring it up again<--- townie
1. Because in the post quoted below, she was misrepresenting what I was saying. I never said I didn't want eth0s to post, and I don't think i even came close to implying that. She does it again in post 24, so I'm going to keep my vote for now.In post 27, Scioness Sajj wrote: 1. Alright, you didn't vote her back then, why are you voting her now?
2. This feels like dodging. I asked you why you didn't participate in rvs since you said you don't have opinion, what does it have to do with how I'm voting?
3. I'm pretty sure IC will post an intro post where RVS and other basics will be explanined, but to not keep you waiting - yes, random voting stage happens at the beginning of the game.
2. Because it's hypocritical? As for why I didn't rvs, I didn't feel like I needed to. The ball kinda got rolling anyway.
I fail to see hypocrisy in my behavior. In 16 you say you don't have opinion on RVS, so I asked you why not vote. And then you have switched it around by saying I'm suspecting (?) you for something I did myself but that's not the case. I didn't ask you why you have moved past RVS, and I couldn't know that you did becuase you didn't cast a vote nor mentioned it.In post 37, ofrhz wrote:2. Because it's hypocritical? As for why I didn't rvs, I didn't feel like I needed to. The ball kinda got rolling anyway.
Is this vote serious?
I feel like activity is NAI in general. For some specific people, lurking is a scumtell, but I don't think that tell works on everyone in general.In post 15, ruru wrote:1. How is lurking not a scum tell?
Yes, but if he hasn't been on site between now and then, how would he know that you voted him? Like I don't really get the point of voting someone who hasn't been on-site in ~8 hours or whatever it is in an attempt to get them to post when:In post 15, ruru wrote:2. If I wanted to hear from people who've been "afk for a long time", I wouldn't vote on him. I voted on him because he recently logged in, but hasn't posted, and if he is in fact lurking then it will get him to post.
Why?In post 20, Oxy wrote:I have a slight town read on both ofrhz and ruru for this interaction, but that is more than anyone else.
OK, I think I get what you're getting at now, especially since you said you're more familiar with games with shorter days.In post 21, ruru wrote:It was a random vote with the added benefit that *if* he is lurking and not just AFK, that it might get him to talk. That purpose has already been somewhat derailed but now we have new information anyway.
Why do you think this is scummy?In post 21, ruru wrote:ofrhz's "I don’t think lurking is a scum tell" is by far the scummiest thing I've seen so far.
We were, but we're out of it at this point I think.In post 22, ofrhz wrote:Also are we even in rvs? Genuine question
If I have misunderstood/skimmed, it's not fine it would be best to explain it. Bolded names on player list are people that confirmed.In post 39, Oxy wrote:You have misunderstood or skimmed over much that I wrote, but that's fine. One question, though. How do we know who has confirmed/who hasn't?
You said you like two of my thoughts but you don't like my responeses, so you are not telling me or anybody what you find scummy/disagree with. You are basing your read on me on a really vague content.In post 39, Oxy wrote:I don't like your responses, but I'm having trouble putting my thoughts onto paper. Here's my best attempt: Throughout this interaction it has felt like you are more worried about making a misstep than I would expect from town.
Drixx hasn't been online today, and the other two haven't confirmed. I assume people flake relatively often in newbie games, and the number of posts about replacements in the newbie queue seem to confirm this.In post 40, skitter30 wrote:Does it bother you that Drixx/westen/callitwhatyouwant haven't posted yet?
Because as an unqualified statement it both encourages poor town play and also helps lurking mafia avoid pressure.In post 21, ruru wrote:ofrhz's "I don’t think lurking is a scum tell" is by far the scummiest thing I've seen so far.
Why do you think this is scummy?
You also posted this, though, which reads like an absolute statement to me:In post 35, ofrhz wrote:In post 16, I said this: @ruru, any number of reasons to not post. Maybe someone checked the thread and didn’t have time to post a reply. Also Ppl have different game styles. Lurking this early in a game isn’t really stalling a game and holding town backIn post 24, ruru wrote: I mean I still want to know why you think lurking isn't at all scummy and this post does not address that
Plz read
Saying "I don't think lurking is a scum tellIn post 12, ofrhz wrote:Oh what my last post didn’t take
I don’t think lurking is a scum tell and the game just opened so wanting to hear from people who’ve been “afk for a long time”? That’s just grasping at straws
They are town reads, not scum reads. I'm not pushing a lynch on them, so I don't really care if you share them. If you're interested, you are capable of reading and understanding. Here's a hint: There wasn't an error in my timeline.In post 41, Scioness Sajj wrote:If I have misunderstood/skimmed, it's not fine it would be best to explain it.
Actually, I did say what I found scummy. It's what I liked that I didn't share.In post 41, Scioness Sajj wrote:You said you like two of my thoughts but you don't like my responeses, so you are not telling me or anybody what you find scummy/disagree with. You are basing your read on me on a really vague content.
I don't see a contradiction. Perhaps Scum!Sajj was concerned, but still decided against putting in the effort.In post 41, Scioness Sajj wrote:You have said I have misunderstood or skimmed yet you say I'm worried about making a misstep? That's pretty contradictory to me.
@Scioness Sajj This is another example of what is making me suspicious. You engaged Ofrhv with a question, and he answered. Why argue about whether or not you've been hypocritical instead of asking follow up questions to continue determining his alignment? Did you already get something out of the interaction, so you don't need to continue it? Feels unnecessarily defensive.In post 38, Scioness Sajj wrote:I fail to see hypocrisy in my behavior. In 16 you say you don't have opinion on RVS, so I asked you why not vote. And then you have switched it around by saying I'm suspecting (?) you for something I did myself but that's not the case. I didn't ask you why you have moved past RVS, and I couldn't know that you did becuase you didn't cast a vote nor mentioned it.In post 37, ofrhz wrote:2. Because it's hypocritical? As for why I didn't rvs, I didn't feel like I needed to. The ball kinda got rolling anyway.
*ding ding ding*In post 36, Scioness Sajj wrote:At first glance it look to me like forced lamist attepmpt.
This^. Lurking definitely hurts town but I sadly know a LOT of players that do it as VT anyway. Lurking as a Town PR can be a viable strategy. At least in certain parts of the game.In post 40, skitter30 wrote: I feel like activity is NAI in general. For some specific people, lurking is a scumtell, but I don't think that tell works on everyone in general.
Understand =/= agree. Just because I want to understand all of your reads doesn't mean I'll sheep them.In post 43, Oxy wrote:They are town reads, not scum reads. I'm not pushing a lynch on them, so I don't really care if you share them. If you're interested, you are capable of reading and understanding. Here's a hint: There wasn't an error in my timeline.
You have saind nothing you can be hold accountable on for either.In post 43, Oxy wrote:Actually, I did say what I found scummy. It's what I liked that I didn't share.
Before I explain answer me this - what do you think I wanted to achive by the question I have asked Ofrhz?In post 44, Oxy wrote:@Scioness Sajj This is another example of what is making me suspicious. You engaged Ofrhv with a question, and he answered. Why argue about whether or not you've been hypocritical instead of asking follow up questions to continue determining his alignment? Did you already get something out of the interaction, so you don't need to continue it? Feels unnecessarily defensive.
Are you trying to use the fact that you went to the effort of making that image as a reason to townread you?In post 30, Oxy wrote:And then I looked at everyone's last time online, realized how long it had been since they had logged in, and decided to switch RVS votes to someone more likely to be active early.Scum!Oxy would have likely used the original image, had he bothered to make an image at all, since it would give him an excuse to passively wait for his RVS target to show up.
I don't understand why you think this is town-motivated. Or, more specifically, I don't get why you think voting for someone because they *aren't* here makes it more likely that you'll be able to engage with them than voting someone who demonstrated they *are* here (ie people who posted already). I guess what I'm trying to say is that your reason for townreading ruru (laying their first vote on someone they'll be able to engage with) doesn't really match what ruru actually did (voting someone because they *weren't* here).In post 30, Oxy wrote:In reality, Ruru had checked other members of the game, found the person who had been active most recently, and chose them. This is super town motivated because it increases the chances that Ruru has to actually engage with the person they vote on.
I was thinking the same thing actually.In post 30, Oxy wrote:7 has a carefree attitude that I like in response to an RVS vote, and that I especially like coming from someone not comfortable with RVS generally.
In your own words, the two of them continued to misrep/misunderstand each other even after ofrhz said he misread the post, so I'm not sure why you're giving him townpoints for 'never bringing it up again' when the argument continued after.In post 30, Oxy wrote:18 apologizes for the misunderstanding, and proceeds to never bring it up again <--- townie
After this point in the thread there seems to be mainly misunderstanding/misrepresenting between the two of them.
It's in the OP - bolded names have confirmed.In post 39, Oxy wrote:How do we know who has confirmed/who hasn't?
Right, agree with you on the unconfirmed newbies; they'll get replaced if they don't post in a couple of days.In post 42, ruru wrote:So out of those three I will be most suspicious if Drixx doesn't post today. It does not bother me that he hasn't posted yet.
And say lurking is actually a scumtell (like I said earlier, I kinda disagree with this premise). Why is ofrzh scummy for saying it isn't? Yes, I agree that lurking is anti-town. But why is it *scummy* that he thinks that lurking isn't a scumtell? Why isn't he just town who holds a different opinion on lurking than you?In post 42, ruru wrote:Because as an unqualified statement it both encourages poor town play and also helps lurking mafia avoid pressure.
