Newbie 1859 (Game Over)

[Oxy]

Oh that's because I don't think she was trying to look town, I think she was trying to look "so town" or in other words I think LAMIST was part of her plan. Hopefully that makes sense.

It doesn't make sense to me.

I also don't think we should lynch a random lurker. wagon =/= lynch. So I don't think you should imply that I said that. Also I didn't misunderstand or misrep ruru. She said "so lynching a random non-VT player should be a good thing". That sentence just doesn't sit well with me. Obviously lynching scum is a good idea but why imply that VT is the worst thing to lynch? That just doesn't make any sense.

I was implying that Ruru said that, not you. Also, she did not imply VT was the worst thing to lynch. Nope.

By no means do you have to post your reads, but I would have appreciated it. If you're town, help me sort you. To me, this is scummy.

@skitter30 I wasn't brushing off your vote. I'm just glad you're out of RVS. It took you longer than I expected it would have as town. As to why I don't want to reevaluate those two D1, I think that D1 reads are often easier to get early in the day, and more likely to be obfuscated by scum towards the end of the day.

[skitter30]

I'm just glad you're out of RVS.

Hmmm, ok.

I read the following as you calling my vote on you RVS and you telling me to leave RVS by finding a real vote (ie not one on you):

It's about time you move away from that RVS vote

It took you longer than I expected it would have as town.

Me in particular, or a town-player in general?

Have you played elsewhere? And if yes, how long were dayphases there?

[Oxy]

It was ambiguous. You are right about that.
Town in general. I've only read one of your games.
I played a lot of mafia in high school during study hall. Those games weren't very high skill. I've been watching DailyMafia and mafia all stars on twitch for a number of years now, on and off. I've also been reading games on mafiascum, very on and off, for that same period. I've always wanted to play, but I've never had remotely enough time to actually play one. I've read a few games on other sites, those forum mafia championship things they ran (still run?). I've always felt lost and bewildered reading fast day phase games, so I never tried playing.

[Scioness Sajj]

In post 36, Scioness Sajj wrote:
1. I don't know why you assumed ofrhz is uncomfortable with rvs, 16 pretty clearly states they are indifferent. 2. why is bolded part bolded? 3. making mistakes like that is nai imo.
(no, 16 and 22 show that he has little to zero experience with rvs, and thus can't be comfortable with it.)

I disagree. I somebody has never done something it shouldn't equal being afraid/uncomfortable with doing it. There are players that will go in head first, there are players that will shrug it off and players that will ask first. I find informations like that useful.

When scumhunting I look for instances where people show town emotions, thoughts, motivations, etc. It's difficult for scum to fake the emotions of town - the paranoia, frustration, stress that comes from not knowing who is what alignment.

You look for town emotions/thoughts/motivations and yet you are not showing those yourself, that's curious. I disagree, imo being scum is a lot more stressful and frustrating.

As a corollary I think it's easier for scum to find small errors in one's memory of an event, or reasoning for a case than it is to try and identify "fake" town emotions in people they KNOW are town. Town, knowing that they must find scum and working from an information disadvantage are as likely (more so, perhaps?) to make small errors

So you are saying that scum will only be after methodical mistakes?
Are you really saying that paying attention to game is ai?
Also, if that's what you think I'm after with that idiom then you are mistaken.

tl;dr I don't agree that the devil is in the details, and as such I think some of your interactions are more likely to come from scum than from town. However, genuinely different approaches to finding scum would make those interactions NAI.

You really want me to be scum, don't you?

[Oxy]

@Scioness Sajj
"So you are saying that scum will only be after methodical mistakes?" - No, I am not saying that so absolutely.
"Are you really saying that paying attention to game is ai?" - It definitely can be.
"Also, if that's what you think I'm after with that idiom then you are mistaken." - Then what did you mean?
"You really want me to be scum, don't you?" Yesterday evening I absolutely did! Then I realized that, and took a night's sleep to clear my head before reevaluating.

[Scioness Sajj]

"Are you really saying that paying attention to game is ai?" - It definitely can be.

Yeah can be doesn't have to. I find it about as situational as lurking.

"Also, if that's what you think I'm after with that idiom then you are mistaken." - Then what did you mean?

Reactions to certain questions or mistakes give a pretty good idea of people's intentions. Getting to know player's playstyles seems pretty important to me.

"You really want me to be scum, don't you?" Yesterday evening I absolutely did! Then I realized that, and took a night's sleep to clear my head before reevaluating.

Didin't ask about yesterday. Judging by yours 'it's either scum or nai' I bet you still want me to flip red.

[Oxy]

Reactions to certain questions or mistakes give a pretty good idea of people's intentions. Getting to know player's playstyles seems pretty important to me.

I agree! That's why I asked you about your scum hunting technique earlier! Have any new thoughts on the game that you would like to share?

[Scioness Sajj]

You're not interested in townreads so nah, I have nothing to share with you.

[Oxy]

lol, okie doke

[skitter30]

It was ambiguous. You are right about that.
Town in general. I've only read one of your games.
I played a lot of mafia in high school during study hall. Those games weren't very high skill. I've been watching DailyMafia and mafia all stars on twitch for a number of years now, on and off. I've also been reading games on mafiascum, very on and off, for that same period. I've always wanted to play, but I've never had remotely enough time to actually play one. I've read a few games on other sites, those forum mafia championship things they ran (still run?). I've always felt lost and bewildered reading fast day phase games, so I never tried playing.

Out of curiosity, which game did you read?

I guess I'm just a little bit puzzled that you're not interested in re-evaluating reads today - we're still in fairly early stages so I feel like there's a lot of time/room to re-evaluate as things develop. I thought you might be quick to lock in your reads because you might come from a site with faster phases so you try to have firm reads early, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

[Oxy]

I don't remember the game. I read it before this one started, so when we started playing, I noticed your name. I remember you (town) getting wrecked by a super lurker/trolly mafia team with not mafia. I also remember having similar reads to you, and then finding out that you had some of the best reads of town. I can search for it if you want?

[Scioness Sajj]

Also, I have a question for everyone here. If you could choose your role at the beginning of the game, which would you prefer?

Do you think you will get anything ai out of answers? Or you are just trying to move the game forward?

[Oxy]

You're not interested in townreads so nah, I have nothing to share with you.

could see this coming from frustrated town. trying to decide how easy it would be for scum to make this post. Will come back to it.

[Scioness Sajj]

It was a joke (a mean one but still), reference to what you have wrote ealier. I believe it's nai.

[Scioness Sajj]

@Drixx is part of your reasoning for sparing us the IC copy paste because you think that the people in this game seem like pretty capable mafia players?

I don't like this.

[skitter30]

I don't remember the game. I read it before this one started, so when we started playing, I noticed your name. I remember you (town) getting wrecked by a super lurker/trolly mafia team with not mafia. I also remember having similar reads to you, and then finding out that you had some of the best reads of town. I can search for it if you want?

That would be open 711, stack-the-deck, I think.

The "that took longer than I would have expected as town" originally sounded to me like you were saying what you think *I* in particular would do, so I was trying to see what context, if any, you were referencing.

What do you think of my read on you?

[Oxy]

It seemed like paranoid town working down the wifom rabbit hole. To rephrase 94: He has stated reads that agree with the reads in my head, and he is saying the "correct" (read: pro-town) things. He must be faking it!

There's some sarcasm there. Please don't take offense. IMO, to ignore the possibility of wifom is foolish. To go down the wifom rabbit hole is madness... Game ain't easy =/

[Drixx]

@Drixx

is part of your reasoning for sparing us the IC copy paste because you think that the people in this game seem like pretty capable mafia players?

Not really. The newbie game matrix has changed and there is quite a lot more explained in the first post of the newbie queue about what an SE and IC is. It would just be redundant mostly.

[ruru]

Also, I have a question for everyone here. If you could choose your role at the beginning of the game, which would you prefer?

Do you think you will get anything ai out of answers? Or you are just trying to move the game forward?

I think it could give information about people's personalities which aren't AI by themselves but can be compared to their actions. (I also was trying to move the game forward.)

[ofrhz]

@Drixx is part of your reasoning for sparing us the IC copy paste because you think that the people in this game seem like pretty capable mafia players?

I don't like this.

Care to share why?

You're not interested in townreads

so nah, I have nothing to share with you.

Are you saying he's not interested in knowing who you think is town? Or something else?

@eth0s - Have you formed an opinion on Oxy?

[eth0s]

Oh that's because I don't think she was trying to look town, I think she was trying to look "so town" or in other words I think LAMIST was part of her plan. Hopefully that makes sense.

It doesn't make sense to me.

I also don't think we should lynch a random lurker. wagon =/= lynch. So I don't think you should imply that I said that. Also I didn't misunderstand or misrep ruru. She said "so lynching a random non-VT player should be a good thing". That sentence just doesn't sit well with me. Obviously lynching scum is a good idea but why imply that VT is the worst thing to lynch? That just doesn't make any sense.

I was implying that Ruru said that, not you. Also, she did not imply VT was the worst thing to lynch. Nope.

By no means do you have to post your reads, but I would have appreciated it. If you're town, help me sort you. To me, this is scummy.

@skitter30 I wasn't brushing off your vote. I'm just glad you're out of RVS. It took you longer than I expected it would have as town. As to why I don't want to reevaluate those two D1, I think that D1 reads are often easier to get early in the day, and more likely to be obfuscated by scum towards the end of the day.

There's not enough going on for me to read yet. Give me an irl day or two and you'll get reads. Probably more frequently than you want. And how did she not imply that VT is the worst lynch? What does this sentence mean to you? "so lynching a random non-VT player should be a good thing"

[eth0s]

@Drixx is part of your reasoning for sparing us the IC copy paste because you think that the people in this game seem like pretty capable mafia players?

I don't like this.

Uhhh... wtf don't you like about it?

[Oxy]

As I read it, Ruru said: If the lurker pool consisted of town PRs and scum, and the town pr to scum ratio is 1:1, then lynching within the lurker pool would give a 50% chance of catching scum, a far higher chance than a random lynch. I think it was more theoretical than practical, but that's my opinion.

[eth0s]

@Drixx

is part of your reasoning for sparing us the IC copy paste because you think that the people in this game seem like pretty capable mafia players?

Not really. The newbie game matrix has changed and there is quite a lot more explained in the first post of the newbie queue about what an SE and IC is. It would just be redundant mostly.

Understandable. I played my first 4/5 games in matrix6 I believe it was, didn't realize there was more info readily available to the newbs now. That's cool.

@eth0s - Have you formed an opinion on Oxy?

He is a scumhunter which gets respect from me. I think he seems a little more capable than he's leading on. I would say null but overall I have a townie gutread on him.

As I read it, Ruru said: If the lurker pool consisted of town PRs and scum, and the town pr to scum ratio is 1:1, then lynching within the lurker pool would give a 50% chance of catching scum, a far higher chance than a random lynch. I think it was more theoretical than practical, but that's my opinion.

Fair. Thank you for explaining. I will think about this.

[eth0s]

For the record I know I'm not playing well and have not made a great impression so far. I'm still getting over illness and my workload is too big right now. Not really feeling like myself. I'll get over it soon though and start being more proactive. promise