Team Mafia 2018: Game 3 - Random GIFs Game Over

[Bins]

Hey Bins/Dunker, where are your thoughts currently at?

There's been a lot of uhhh... questionable posts over the last few pages and it's become really obvious (at least to me) that Arch has gotten to the point where he's just throwing whatever he can out there to see what sticks. I've sort of been holding back because I don't want this to descend into a quote wall war if I can help it (or spam posting war, one or the other, I guess). But if by any chance either of you are still unsure or need more from me, I'll happily point out all the uh questionable posting. I just don't want to start ripping into Arch's posts unnecessarily if you guys see it too.

You think it's Bulba/Arch right? and not Dunker/Arch? So Bulba's putting on this bus show

[Archwing]

:^) perfectly fine with a Bulba lynch cause you wanna bus your partner huh

Bins i voted him way earlier too.

I'm not bussing anyone.

I promise you, bulba and dunker are the scum team.

[Bins]

Bulba and Dunker are the scumteam :^) huh

[Bins]

K idk I fuck up more as town and arch is playing to my feels
My team is just screaming at all these logic slips rn so idk
BUT MAYBE LOGIC SLIPS R TOWN idk

[Archwing]

Why would you want to risk lynching me, 50/50 scum with DV, than lynching conf scum bulba?

[Bins]

Uh cause tmmr we have to do it anyways and it'll just be dunker making the decision

[Archwing]

And give scum a semi perfect win? Come on bins, dont throw this game

[Archwing]

I mean doc in 3p lylo does fuck all, so DV will keep whoever he thinks he can manipulate better. You or dunker.

[Archwing]

You, me, dunker, and busbuddy DV all sr bulba. There is literally no reason at this point to not lynch him.

[Bins]

I'm going to semi spam the thread rn

@Smocaine: I'd really like you to explain your LLD vote.

To anyone on a wagon with Smocaine: Think really hard about that, because that's not someplace you want to be.

I think I see what you're getting at, but Voyager is still a read where I don't care one way or the other.

Was leaning town on smoc but need more

How do you have a town read on Smocaine?

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Can't believe I'm saying it but Bulbazak gets half the points I was gonna give for noting it but not actually voting it?

Or does that result in losing points I don't even know. Something to watch.

Aw. I love you too.

As for CDB and Chess, they're kinda *shrug*. Chess I'm giving time to get in fully, so not interested in looking that direction today. CDB I don't feel particularly one way or the other. I'd like you to go more into Aero, because he is similar to CDB for me.

UCV, like most of his team, has a high opinion of his scum game. (Clarification: Mastina says most of UCV's team has high opinions of their own scum game.)

On Arch scumread:

I'm still maybe scumreading him? I really don't like how he's positioning himself recently, and my earlier VCA would suggest the slot is scum. However, I still want to go over the timing he pointed out and see if that works at all from a scum perspective. So not interested in voting there just yet.

Rest of the game is a lot of Arch vs. Bulba

[Bins]

On Archwing/UC Voyager:

The UC Voyager ISO is mostly unremarkable to me. 1324 is a bit ehhhh I guess, but I haven't worked out exactly what I think of it yet. I'm leaning towards the focus on LLD here being scummy, as if he felt the need to say something about the LLD wagon, or else he'd be ignoring it. But I'm also now spending a lot of time going back and forth on this one post and so right now I'm going to stop.

When reading Archwing, I find the team-chat related comments quite interesting. In 2962. I think Arch is probably being truthful about this regardless of alignment, but I actually think that this much more closely describes how a team mafia team would respond to a scumslot rather than a townslot. I could be wrong, but my impression is that this has been a fairly lurky game and so UC Voyager seemed(?) to be skating by fairly easily on low activity. So his team would not feel any need to do anything more pro-active than "tell him to do stuff" if he were scum. However, I feel like there would be a more pressing need to influence the game state and ~try to lynch scum!~ as town.

A lot of the provided team-reads feel a bit forced also, as if a requirement in response to being pressured to provide them, rather than "hey this is what me and my team think should happen!" or "hey he hasn't been reading the game, just listen to what I say". Both of these I think would be town responses. Instead there seems this effort to appease without actually doing it very well...

I also don't like the waffling on Bulba in 3491 and 3494, but the team contribution posts more recently are better than earlier on. (e.g. 3511 is not bad)

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I have not seen Archwing mentioned recently as a potential lynch. Is there a reason for this/something obvious that I'm missing?

[Bins]

Hate the fact that the games won based on this decision
ISOs of LLD, UCV, Bulba, Chess... Fitz... all make me more confident in Arch scum with Bulba with just really well done bussing

Yeah if we're wrong Arch I'm sorry but scum played well especially Chesskid and DV

[Archwing]

No!

[Archwing]

Don't hammer

[Archwing]

Just go with bulbas lynch today. Like he js literally conf scum to all of town right now

[Archwing]

I cannot be like hiw I am right now in lylo as scum

[Archwing]

Here is scum arch in lylo. I lost

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=73962

[Archwing]

Bins this is exactly why you have been kept to lylo. DV and bulba knew you'd lazy hammer their target

[Bins]

That's not true lmfao I was townreading you and scumreading/wishy-washy on DV

[Archwing]

So why now are you willing to hammer me?

[Bins]

'Cause you've been guiltied by a claim I believe?

[Archwing]

Okay but you can see that this is WELL within scum!deas' play right?

[Archwing]

And the thing is,

This is not town!chess!! Youve played with him... His town game is crazy aggressive. He doesn't let others speak for him like how this game happened

[Archwing]

If you think i could be scum, then you must think dunker is town right? Work with dunker. Talk to Each other. Ask about creatures reads

[Archwing]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=73578

Scum chess. Quiet until ~d3. Then he started talking.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=73949

Town chess. Active all game.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=127&t=74689

Town chess. Also active all the time.