Team Mafia 2018: White Flag — Day Six

Ranmaru · Post Post #4450 (ISO) » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:25 pm

I'm not trying to aggressively misunderstand your argument. I was simply asking why you felt that way. Yet, I'm feeling better about you not hammering Shadoweh. So it's clear to me it's Shadoweh and Davsto.

Thestatusquo · Post Post #4451 (ISO) » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:28 pm

to go back to my earlier post about possible combinations:

Davsto - shadoweh
Davsto - LQ
Davsto - Ran
LQ - Shadoweh
Ran - Shadoweh
LicketyQuickety - Ran

these are the possible pairings from my pov. eliminating davsto gives me

LQ - Shadoweh
Ran - Shadoweh
LicketyQuickety - Ran

eliminating the possibility that lq and shadoweh are scum together gives me:
Ran - Shadoweh
LicketyQuickety - Ran

ergo if I believe davsto is town, you are scum.

This is also true from Davsto's perspective too if he believes me to be town, which he might not.

It also holds true from LQs perspective if he believes me and davsto are town.

Thestatusquo · Post Post #4452 (ISO) » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:29 pm

same with shadoweh.

ranmaru should probably be voting me for the same logic. Given he thinks I'm way more likely to be scum than davsto, it doesn't make any sense that hes not voting me.

Thestatusquo · Post Post #4453 (ISO) » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:29 pm

wait what, you think its davsto now?

why?

just why?

Ranmaru · Post Post #4454 (ISO) » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:30 pm

1. Shadoweh and Quick are not aligned.
2. You didn't hammer Shadoweh.
3. Davsto didn't hammer Shadoweh.

All leads me to believe it's Shadoweh and Davsto. You think it's likely Shadoweh may have been scum, but you don't think it's likely because you town read Davsto really hard, and instead thought it may have been me, with Shadoweh or LQ. Yet, I'm town, so it's Shadoweh and Davsto. I'd like to ask you why you town read Davsto at this stage of the game.

Ranmaru · Post Post #4455 (ISO) » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:32 pm

Davsto didn't vote her, due to not being sure about LQ v Shadoweh. Yet he didn't really try to solve that. I feel like he was put in a position he wouldn't want to be in. That's all. I could see more reason to believe you may be town over Davsto.

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #4456 (ISO) » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:48 pm

In post 4449, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 4447, Ranmaru wrote:Why do I
have
to be scum from your perspective, over Shadodeweh? Have you considered any town motivation from my unvote?

To me, no one is outright clear. Davsto not voting Shadoweh leads me to believe he may be clear or scum with Shadoweh. I'm wary of Quick not wanting to change to Shea. Yet, while being in the shower, I still find Shadoweh to have the best chance of being scum. I don't know why you don't see that. I'm ready to vote now. I don't want to convince myself out of this, as it feels right.
What? This seems like aggressively misunderstanding my argument.

I believe the following things are true:
1) Davsto is town
2) Exactly one of LQ and Shadoweh is scum, but not both.

Given those two facts, there is only one player who can be the second scum in that scenario, which is you.

I made zero arguments about who I think is more likely to be scum between LQ and shadoweh, just that it doesn't matter to me, because from the two things I believe to be true about the game, you have to be scum. There's literally no other possibility from my pov.

VOTE: ranmaru

and this hemming and hawing vote unvote I wont unvote two posts later now I will unvote now I'm ready to vote stuff is making me even more happy with this choice.

There would have been a hammer on either shadoweh or I at this point in the game. Voting off of us is just stupid and it makes me think you are Scum who doesn't want to vote me or Shadoweh and make a stance there. You already said shadoweh is Scum, so why you vote Ran here over Shadoweh makes no fucking sense whatsoever.

Thestatusquo · Post Post #4457 (ISO) » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:55 pm

I how would there have been a hammer on you if you ranmaru was scum?

Ranmaru · Post Post #4458 (ISO) » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:56 pm

Shea, can you respond to me?

Thestatusquo · Post Post #4459 (ISO) » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:57 pm

Not in depth, I'm about to go to bed so I don't want to pull up all the reasons why I think davsto is town, but I have made many posts about it and I don't think anything has really changed.

If you have specific questions about my positions re: davsto I can answer them, but the burden is on you to convince me that he could be scum, not on me to convince you that I'm not wrong.

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #4460 (ISO) » Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:06 pm

In post 4457, Thestatusquo wrote:I how would there have been a hammer on you if you ranmaru was scum?

Then you should vote for me, not Ranmaru. The fact that you are avoiding making a stance on either myself or Shadoweh is Sus af.

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #4461 (ISO) » Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:08 pm

In post 4451, Thestatusquo wrote:to go back to my earlier post about possible combinations:

Davsto - shadoweh
Davsto - LQ
Davsto - Ran
LQ - Shadoweh
Ran - Shadoweh
LicketyQuickety - Ran

these are the possible pairings from my pov. eliminating davsto gives me

LQ - Shadoweh
Ran - Shadoweh
LicketyQuickety - Ran

eliminating the possibility that lq and shadoweh are scum together gives me:
Ran - Shadoweh
LicketyQuickety - Ran

ergo if I believe davsto is town, you are scum.

This is also true from Davsto's perspective too if he believes me to be town, which he might not.

It also holds true from LQs perspective if he believes me and davsto are town.

Your change of read on me is not justified based on what you said about your Town read of me for basically all of the game.

Ranmaru · Post Post #4462 (ISO) » Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:10 pm

I don't have a case, it's only based on Davsto not voting Shadoweh. If I'm wrong on Davsto, I'd appreciate a little bit more effort in sorting Quick v Shadow from him. That's mostly my concern with him. The same possibility goes for you, Shea. Shadow is scum, and that's final. I want to see Davsto post some thoughts. I'm sticking to Shadow now.

Ranmaru · Post Post #4463 (ISO) » Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:13 pm

In post 4437, Thestatusquo wrote:rans vote then unvote on shadoweh is the kind of gambit I might expect scum to pull on the
last day
as
hard distancing
.

A50 wants to know what the point of this post is. How does the bold get into this sentence along with the underlined?

Shadoweh · Post Post #4464 (ISO) » Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:35 pm

Hello can Davsto possibly get a prod, I'm sure his team has been thinking about this?
I shouldn't be surprised you can come up with reasons for me to be paired with anyone, you're good at coming up with random threesome scanarios. :/

MathBlade · Post Post #4465 (ISO) » Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:29 pm

MOD NOTESDavsto has been prodded.

Davsto · Post Post #4466 (ISO) » Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:18 am

I'm sorry everyone but my posting is very limited. Mafia scum is having issues with my and my internet (both phone and pc) can't connect to it. Only my mobile data can. This is an issue as my mobile data is very limited (750MB) and my phone is shit for posting. As a result, I really cannot properly engage right now. I'll try my best but it's extremely problematic.

Davsto · Post Post #4467 (ISO) » Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:20 am

In post 4455, Ranmaru wrote:Davsto didn't vote her, due to not being sure about LQ v Shadoweh. Yet he didn't really try to solve that. I feel like he was put in a position he wouldn't want to be in. That's all. I could see more reason to believe you may be town over Davsto.

I was waiting for tsq to vote, to see if he would or not (and if he would them who). It would have really helped narrow down teams. I didn't want to say this because obviously it would influence his posting

Davsto · Post Post #4468 (ISO) » Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:21 am

At the moment I'm still fairly stable on Ran town (although his logic for me being scum is absolutely wild) but it's honestly still anyone and I hate that, another reason for my disengagement.

Ranmaru · Post Post #4469 (ISO) » Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:56 am

That is a fair reason, and dispels my concern. The team is Shadow and Shea. Shea seems to be trying to avoid Shadow for a while now. Davsto, what do you think of Shea voting outside of LQ v Shadow?

Thestatusquo · Post Post #4470 (ISO) » Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:34 am

In post 4469, Ranmaru wrote:That is a fair reason, and dispels my concern. The team is Shadow and Shea. Shea seems to be trying to avoid Shadow for a while now. Davsto, what do you think of Shea voting outside of LQ v Shadow?

so your argument for me being town was that I didn't hammer shadow and now your argument for me being scum is that I'm avoiding shadow?

I put to you, what would you do as town in my spot where I think 1 of 2 of the players voting each other is scum and I am pretty sure that one person not voting is town?

Vote for the person I that has to be lock scum from that perspective.

By this logic, by the way, davsto should be voting me if he thinks that ranmaru is for sure town.

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #4471 (ISO) » Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:58 am

In post 4470, Thestatusquo wrote:that has to be lock scum...

Do go on.

Shadoweh · Post Post #4472 (ISO) » Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:26 pm

In post 4468, Davsto wrote:At the moment I'm still fairly stable on Ran town (although his logic for me being scum is absolutely wild) but it's honestly still anyone and I hate that, another reason for my disengagement.

Sorry for not being a scumbag?

At this point the result is academic for me and as much as I wanted to think otherwise it looks like he's not town. It's actually ridiculous now that instead of lynching him when I replaced in like we should have after the dance about so sorry for CES he's regained trust. He's encouraged votes slash scumreads on everyone alive at this point. He doesn't have reads, he just has whatever's coming out of his mouth today.

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #4473 (ISO) » Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:49 pm

In post 4451, Thestatusquo wrote:to go back to my earlier post about possible combinations:

Davsto - shadoweh
Davsto - LQ
Davsto - Ran
LQ - Shadoweh
Ran - Shadoweh
LicketyQuickety - Ran

these are the possible pairings from my pov. eliminating davsto gives me

LQ - Shadoweh
Ran - Shadoweh
LicketyQuickety - Ran

eliminating the possibility that lq and shadoweh are scum together gives me:
Ran - Shadoweh
LicketyQuickety - Ran

ergo if I believe davsto is town, you are scum.

This is also true from Davsto's perspective too if he believes me to be town, which he might not.

It also holds true from LQs perspective if he believes me and davsto are town.

Notice how TSQ only writes out my whole username when pairing me with Ranmaru. This is either subliminal messaging or Freudian Slip.

Shadoweh · Post Post #4474 (ISO) » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:03 pm

In post 4473, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 4451, Thestatusquo wrote:to go back to my earlier post about possible combinations:

Davsto - shadoweh
Davsto - LQ
Davsto - Ran
LQ - Shadoweh
Ran - Shadoweh
LicketyQuickety - Ran

these are the possible pairings from my pov. eliminating davsto gives me

LQ - Shadoweh
Ran - Shadoweh
LicketyQuickety - Ran

eliminating the possibility that lq and shadoweh are scum together gives me:
Ran - Shadoweh
LicketyQuickety - Ran

ergo if I believe davsto is town, you are scum.

This is also true from Davsto's perspective too if he believes me to be town, which he might not.

It also holds true from LQs perspective if he believes me and davsto are town.
Notice how TSQ only writes out my whole username when pairing me with Ranmaru. This is either subliminal messaging or Freudian Slip.

My team and I have discussed this thought process and