Open 719: Stack The Deck! (D4)

[Mathdino]

Can you clarify - I am new to this forum. Is this to say that you believe the player base of this game to be generally on the more experienced end of the spectrum?

Not necessarily super experienced (although a lot of them are), but more aware of how not to make shit choices as scum. Hence why I believe town isn't stacked with PRs this game.

I literally have no idea what you're trying to say in 161. Rephrase?

[Wisdom]

going with brass/ugly/thor right now

[Mathdino]

holy balls it's like you're trying to mimic all my reads lol

brass wagon looks pretty useless so let's do this

VOTE: Thor

[Thor665]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10088585

@Mathdino

[Thor665]

@Wisdom - how does Thor/Duck make sense?

[Mathdino]

You're laughing a lot about it without actually addressing the question really.
Why do you think Nauci's scumrage precludes buddying?
If this is her town game I would be *shocked* to discover her scum game precludes buddying because it would make her super easy to sort.
Please back this up so we can all sort her in 2.5 seconds and be done with it [/sarcasm based on lack of belief this can happen because I think I'm being handed a load].

I never said her scumrange precludes buddying. I said
- I think she has in general gone out of her scumrange
- Buddying can come from town, and I often do get buddied by town

2 separate points.

[Wisdom]

@Wisdom - how does Thor/Duck make sense?

why wouldn't it

[HeWhoSwims]

VC1.4

Mathdino (1) (L-6):

Nauci

Nauci (2) (L-5):

Thor665, jmo16mla

brassherald (1) (L-6):

the worst

Judge Joseph Dredd (1) (L-6):

MariaR

Thor665 (3) (L-4):

Espeonage, Wisdom, Mathdino

Not voting (4) :

UglyDuck, brassherald, Judge Joseph Dredd, Beefster

With 12 alive, 7 votes are needed to lynch.

[Mathdino]

Reads so far:

Nauci - This sort of self-consciousness is not the scummy kind. probtown.
Mathdino - usual levels of setup speculation. I'm going to stay far away from MD v Maria. Null for now.
Maria - waters muddied by MD v Maria.

Looking into brassherald.

also these are literally not reads

do something game relevant please

[the worst]

different side of the same coin as a gut read, yeah.
it's not far off at all but I'm getting a kinda guarded/reserved feeling from him which is what's making me uncomfortable.

I asked for an example and got this.
This is not an example - can you try again?

I'm asking you because I want to see how your mind is ticking.

If you're already aware that I've presented and explained my case - what further info are you expecting to get by asking me to explain it a second time?
Be specific.

1. no you didn't and I never implied my current discomfort with brass was more than bad vibes. I'm not one to leap into pedantry a couple of pages are. If you are then I'm very proud of you! I hope it works for you!

2. Why is Nauci more likely to be scum than brass?


Dude don't act all confrontational and cool if you can't even be fucked asking the questions you're trying to shade.

[the worst]

reading the questions you're trying to shade**

leap into pedantry a couple of pages in**


Posting before coffee....urrggg

[the worst]

brassherald is town for now. Nothing incriminating on him.

This interests me. Does nothing incriminating usually make someone temporarily town?

[the worst]

Digging the Math/Wis mindmeld (I hope)

I'm stuck in an internal wifom deathtrap re townreading Math but they're both townleans at least

[Mathdino]

beefster/brassherald/thor is a surprisingly viable scumteam actually

[Mathdino]

Digging the Math/Wis mindmeld (I hope)

I'm stuck in an internal wifom deathtrap re townreading Math but they're both townleans at least

it's just

the last time i perfectly mindmelded wisdom to the point that i was hard defending him/WKing him all of D1

he was scum trying to pocket me

"At one point, you were so deep in bromance mode that you actually started answering questions

for him

." - TellTaleHeart

it's k tho i lynched him D2

[the worst]

Okay I'm leaning a little more on my townlean on you both.

Talk to me about Thor. He's currently obviously making lots of noise and trying to ask pointed questions. On the flipside I haven't liked his reads and like....he refuses to engage in conversation and give me anything to work with....

Does this come from scum!Thor?

[Mathdino]

yes it does

go read newbie 1856 and ISO me and thor

it absolutely comes from scum!Thor

the important question is whether it comes from town!Thor (in which case all that shit is NAI)

[UglyDuck]

OK as mentioned - been busy. I will be around more.. super pinky promise. Please see below for the annoying re-reads list that no one cares about:

the worst - Towniest player so far imo. Asking good questions, pointing out mistakes, not over tunneling.

Mathdino - Town read for now. Maria thing pending. I am actually assuming if one flips skum they are both skum - argument seemed almost staged tbh. Outside of that one bit, the rest of his play seems null-towny.

Nauci - Towny I guess for pushing the IC. then disappeared.

Beefster - I want to say skum for not knowing I was even in the game but no. completely null at this point, just a string of reads lists.

Thor665 - Skum. Post 108. Asks for a player to explain how voting Town can be beneficial.. etc... go read it. Point to be taken - Town doesn't know who town is. So voting a town read from a town perspective generates action and is absolutely useful without even an arguable doubt. But a skum player would find no value in voting for town because they already know who is town and who is skum.

brassherald - null town. jumping off wagon is towny. not pushing reads before comfy feels towny.

Espeonage - talks with too much emotional investment for me to decipher anything so far really. Points about the IC are goodish. Also could be an attempt to put the ic off their game and force them to play in a way they are uncomfortable with. Still, overall towny.

MariaR - null. Opinion very much changes if Math flips.

Wisdom - Town. mostly gut, but also the timing of votes and interactions.

Judge Joseph Dredd - null

jmo16mla - soul reading for town... just a gut feeling.

[Mathdino]

could've been wrong about uglyduck

i don't think the "mathdino/maria scumteam" thing comes from scum, that was interesting

feeling thor/brass/beefster right now

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

could've been wrong about uglyduck

i don't think the "mathdino/maria scumteam" thing comes from scum, that was interesting

Yeah? What if he's just waiting for you to flip town to call his scum buddy town??

And what's with the soul/gut read on the IC?

VOTE: UglyDuck

[Thor665]

I never said her scumrange precludes buddying. I said
- I think she has in general gone out of her scumrange
- Buddying can come from town, and I often do get buddied by town

2 separate points.

Okay.

1. What is her scumrange in your opinion and how is she out of it here?
2. Why did you find her buddying here so clearly town as to not deserve questioning when it was not just buddying, but a blatant attack on someone for doing what you were also doing, while ignoring that you did the same?

@Wisdom - how does Thor/Duck make sense?

why wouldn't it

My role PM.
You're arguing it as a scum team - why?
This is a childish word game dodge. Not impressed.

1. no you didn't and I never implied my current discomfort with brass was more than bad vibes. I'm not one to leap into pedantry a couple of pages are. If you are then I'm very proud of you! I hope it works for you!

2. Why is Nauci more likely to be scum than brass?


Dude don't act all confrontational and cool if you can't even be Smurfed asking the questions you're trying to shade.

1. You claimed brass did something that you can't provide an example of. That concerns me.

2. For the case I presented on her, which you are well aware I made.
Why did you ask me for it when you already knew what it was?
And why is this question so hard to answer?

Thor665 - Skum. Post 108. Asks for a player to explain how voting Town can be beneficial.. etc... go read it. Point to be taken - Town doesn't know who town is. So voting a town read from a town perspective generates action and is absolutely useful without even an arguable doubt. But a skum player would find no value in voting for town because they already know who is town and who is skum.

Why do you mistake me talking about voting a town read vs. me saying town should never vote town aligned players (though, functionally, they shouldn't - but I'm aware they don't know for a fact who those are, which is why I'm not arguing that, because it makes no sense - even though you are calling me scummy for arguing something that is nonsensical at face value).

[Thor665]

@Math - also, the fact that you're even momentarily entertaining the absolute garbage play that my scum game would differ from my town game is either offensive to me, or I have *grossly* misrated the level of your play quality.

Since I've seen you as town, i don't think it's the latter.
So what is this waste of air exactly?

[Wisdom]

My role PM.
You're arguing it as a scum team - why?
This is a childish word game dodge. Not impressed.

i was assuming you were implying it doesnt make sense for some reason
otherwise, i find you scummy, i find ugly scummy, so it makes sense

[Mathdino]

could've been wrong about uglyduck

i don't think the "mathdino/maria scumteam" thing comes from scum, that was interesting

Yeah? What if he's just waiting for you to flip town to call his scum buddy town??

And what's with the soul/gut read on the IC?

VOTE: UglyDuck

...?

Okay, but
1. That means him being scum despite the towntell is primarily consistent with Maria-scum (in which case hell yes let's just lynch Maria and see what she flips).

2. You and Espeonage are both incapable at reading IC-related sarcasm then?

Like, this is textbook grasping at straws. Get outta tunnel moddddeeeee

[Thor665]

My role PM.
You're arguing it as a scum team - why?
This is a childish word game dodge. Not impressed.

i was assuming you were implying it doesnt make sense for some reason
otherwise, i find you scummy, i find ugly scummy, so it makes sense

So your scum team is, in fact, a top scum reads list?