Team Mafia 2018: Game 3 - Random GIFs Game Over

[Archwing]

goons?

[Bulbazak]

Do you need a hug, Arch?

[Archwing]

really badly. this game shook me. i legit was getting so mad at the both of you.

[Bulbazak]

[Archwing]

i need to learn how to be town in lylo and not a gigantic AtE mess

[Archwing]

did Mastina actually create all that setup spec about backup tracker or was it just you?

[Archwing]

i guess you're gonna wait until mod finalizes to be sure. but please answer my questions once it happens.

[Bulbazak]

@Arch: Sounds like me d1 against Skirt. I found myself physically shaking and feeling sick. I don't think it was this game's or Skirt's fault, just that I was under extreme stress from work, rl, and this. I really needed that weekend to relax and destress, and I didn't look at the game at all.

P-edit: That was mastina. I don't know squat about the mod's meta.

[mhsmith0]

Looks like a lynch. Flip coming soon, but until then I'm gonna need you to

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 5.Final

Archwing (3)

DeasVail, Bulbazak, BinsL-0

Bulbazak (1)

Archwing L-2

Not Voting (1)

Dunkerdoodles

Day five deadline is Monday April 9, 2 PM PST. (expired on 2018-04-09 14:00:00).

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch!

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[mhsmith0]

Archwing was lynched! He was

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

A victory condition has been achieved! Congratulations to the

mafia

team of Havingfitz, Mafia Goon, Bulbazak, Mafia Goon, and DeasVail, Mafia Even-Night Rolecop!

Bins, Town Doctor, and Dunkerdoodles, Vanilla Townie, were endgamed.

We'll get people who need it dead thread access, and this game thread will unlock after the entire contest is over. Thanks for playing everyone!

[mhsmith0]

Night actions and results go here

[mhsmith0]

Some game/design/other notes:

1) Hilariously, I'd miscopied info into the scum topic and referred to DEFCON as "DEFCON Fruit". After the requisite panic over having screwed up the setup, I then realized I hadn't actually given anyone permission to view scum topic

2) Some balance notes:

Spoiler: Me on balance thoughts from mod topic pregame

original proposal:

12/3 with daytalk publicly known

Draft setup:

town
IC
even night doctor
tracker
9 vts

scum
even night rolecop
2x goon

this is more wolfsided than a setup that would go through NRG, but at the same time we're presuming that the invitational towns will be less ... ineffecive? ... than standard towns

I could turn the IC into a fruit vendor in a "scum can't act and shoot" board, and make the doctor full instead of even night?

I freely admit that I'm still applying a "this should be a stronger town than normal" metric, but I think that's probably fair balance-wise, unless we want a world where town is expected to go like 4-1?

I mean even Night rolecop is fairly useless, in most worlds you’re gonna get one shot out of it and then either one side has basically won or the town PRs are close to dead and it doesn’t matter much imo. Just a little cherry on top to make up for 12/3 and presumed >average town play.

Ps I don’t mind announcing that the setup is on the wolfsided end of things and that it’s intentional given presumption of above average town play *shrugs*

I actually forget why it turned into "scum CAN act and shoot", I vaguely recall it being discussed in PM's over discord but lolsmithlazy

Spoiler: Me in discord on balance thoughts

mhsmith0 - 01/18/2018
i also told people it's not NRG blaance levle
without screaming at them
"Please note that this game has been balanced around the expected level of play for this event. This may or may not be different than the balance in a standard normal game of this size."

mhsmith0 - 01/20/2018
lol
i mean... a town that doesn't suck has plenty of power in my game
but it's too wolfsided for an actual MS normal even with the extra mislynch
minor boost to wolves they might not have considered: even night rolecop usually suggets ODD night rolecop
and then they can "solve" around who's "protecting" it
<40% town win rates in 10/3 mini normals

I think in retrospect, I'm comfortable with the balance level of this setup for this event. The ability of each slot to have five heads and discuss things was a big deal, and I think that this, along with the extra mislynch, made it appropriate to give town much less than they'd normally get in a normal (the most vaguely comparable normal I've run to this setup, btw, was Mini Normal 1823 https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=67932, 10/3 with tracker/doc/vig/bp against encryptor/goon/1-shot strongman, which I think was fine for mini normal balance... so here I essentially killed the vig, replaced the bp with a fruit vendor, and gave scum a gated rolecop, which in most worlds would be a bit less strong in the setup than a 1-shot strongman).

3) I think it would have been quite unfair to have made a setup that was wolfsided for a normal without giving people a reasonable way to expect this, which was why I'd taken care to note that balance was constructed around expectations for this event, AND that the setup was only reviewed for normalcy (i.e. it did NOT necessarily hew to typical normal game balance expectations). I was actually surprised that it never came up in discussion other than in dead thread... but I think what mattered was that the information was available, as opposed to it necessarily being noticed and considered.

4) I think this game convinced me that for any game other than a micro/newbie, I should only accept votes in vote tags. Bold votes buried inside giant walls are annoying to have to find and super easy to miss.

5) tbd (maybe)