Newbie 1859 (Game Over)

[pinturicchio]

Ruru voting Scioness instead of skitter pretty much confirms my suspicions. She could be either Scioness or skitter's partner
VOTE: ruru

[northsidegal]

erm, if you still think she could be scioness' or skitter's partner, what suspicions were confirmed?

[Oxy]

Pin, stop being dense. Wanting to explore other things before lynching skitter is a perfectly fine thing to do.

And the things she wants to explore are good things to explore.

[pinturicchio]

erm, if you still think she could be scioness' or skitter's partner, what suspicions were confirmed?

That she's one of the two scums, and that the other is in skitter/Scioness. Right now I suspect skitter being the scum PR and ruru not putting her scumread on L-1 is indicative, but there's a slight chance that ruru voting Scioness is her way of separating herself from her partner before being lynched, so even if I believe skitter is her partner, I think it's better to play it safe (if I'm wrong about skitter, we go to LyLo or MyLo and that pressure is suboptimal, especially with Oxy and ofrhz hard townreading ruru)

[northsidegal]

so ruru voting one of scioness or skitter at all makes you think that she's scum?

[pinturicchio]

Pin, stop being dense. Wanting to explore other things

before lynching skitter

is a perfectly fine thing to do.

And the things she wants to explore are good things to explore.

Bolded: how do you know she will actually change her vote to skitter? She's been scumreading skitter since D1 and when she finally can put her on L-1, she votes Scioness.

[pinturicchio]

so ruru voting one of scioness or skitter at all makes you think that she's scum?

No no, if she voted skitter my theory of skitter being the scum PR would've been disproved

[Oxy]

I guess I don't know the future, but neither do you!

[pinturicchio]

I guess I don't know the future, but neither do you!

No, but I see the past and the present of this game, and with that I can speculate the future. Past: ruru scumreading skitter since D1. Present: skitter at L-2 and ruru votes Scioness.

[ofrhz]

what about ruru's "fuck it, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong" vote on skitter D1? I feel like if ruru/skitter were a thing, ruru would've just voted Drixx D1.

[pinturicchio]

so ruru voting one of scioness or skitter at all makes you think that she's scum?

Sorry double quote because I think I misunderstood your question.

I've already stated that my three possible scumteams are {ruru, Scioness}, {ruru, skitter} and {Scioness, skitter} (with the last one being less likely than the two first).

I've been sorting which of the three is the better lynch for today, now with ruru's vote on Scioness convinced me that playing it safe is the better option

[Oxy]

The topics she is interested in are perfectly consistent with her game. Good tin foil hat, but this is no smoking gun. In fact, what ruru is doing is objectively pro town from my pov.

[ofrhz]

+1

This is how you should be looking at my wagon.

Also this from D1. I really don't think ruru/skitter is a thing.

Hmm, I also think there's something flawed with pin's thought process, but I can't quite put my finger on it.

[pinturicchio]

+1

This is how you should be looking at my wagon.

Also this from D1. I really don't think ruru/skitter is a thing.

Hmm, I also think there's something flawed with pin's thought process, but I can't quite put my finger on it.

OMG I totally forgot about that, and that could even make more sense for a ruru/skitter scumteam: skitter flips red, ruru gets even more towncred!

[ofrhz]

I find that harder to believe than an alternative though, which is that one of {ruru, skitter} is scum but not both.

[ofrhz]

I kinda feel like you really want them to be scum... it's not sitting right with me.

@Oxy - what's your read on pin again? sorry if you've explained this like 5 times already

[Oxy]

I really haven't tried to read pin in a while. Hes in the Poe Lynch pool. Sajj+Pin possible. Pin +ofrhz not possible. Pin+skitter is possible.

[Oxy]

I've never had more than a light scum read on pin by play.

[Oxy]

Ruth + pin only a thing in a world where pin hard buses ruru from start to finish and I don't even know ruru's pin read

[pinturicchio]

Oxy you change your read on me like a girl changes clothes. Whenever I do something that goes against your reads, I'm scum; if I do something in favor of your reads, that post seems townie. What do you want me to do, to follow your lead? I can't vote ruru for some extraordinary reason I can't see? The lack of coordination is killing us.

@ofrhz you say there's one scum between ruru and skitter, I'm scumreading them both, why do I "really want them to be scum" and not just scumreading them both? I don't get it. If skitter flips rolecop/roleblocker, could you PLEASE reconsider your read on ruru?

VOTE: skitter That's L-1.

[ofrhz]

I kind of disagree with a lot of what you're saying, especially the part where I'm scum, but I guess it also seems pretty town-motivated to me

This stood out to me earlier as a "not sure if scum ruru or just passive town ruru," but mostly relevant since she's talking about pin's game analysis here.

pedit: I see your post pin. I'm still townreading ruru (in spite of that weird ruru post I just quoted). I'm fine with your vote but I think we should spend more time today to figure out where we are on ruru (and scioness. I haven't forgotten about you).

[ofrhz]

also, to answer your "why do I "really want them to be scum" and not just scumreading them both?", it is because in the examples of possible ruru/skitter bussing that you've singled out, I don't really see them as bussing. I think it's possible they're bussing, but I think it's more likely that ruru and skitter are just not aligned on the same side.

[pinturicchio]

Sure, but I'm getting frustrated that whenever I bring up scum!ruru, Oxy and you jumps and start throwing posts after posts saying why I'm wrong. I get it, both of you townread ruru, I'm not dumb. But my last analysis from my point of view gave all the explanations I had to give to make both of you understand why I'm pushing ruru. Oxy said my analysis was town motivated, now he says he has a slight scum read on me after I vote ruru (when I said in my analysis that it was the safe choice to vote so he KNEW I would eventually or possibly vote there), and you scumread ruru a lot and you reevaluated... So I get if both of you don't agree with my read on her, but not understanding where I'm coming from? Frustrating, to say the least

[ofrhz]

I can understand why you would scumread ruru even if I disagree, and I'm open to talking about it (not right now, because I'll have to go back to understand why you're scumreading ruru).

But I thought it was weird where I saw an example that made ruru/skitter LESS likely, yet you thought it made the pairing MORE likely. How do we have such different interpretations of the same posts? That's why I thought maybe confirmation bias is creeping in.

[ruru]

so ruru voting one of scioness or skitter at all makes you think that she's scum?

Sorry double quote because I think I misunderstood your question.

I've already stated that my three possible scumteams are {ruru, Scioness}, {ruru, skitter} and {Scioness, skitter} (with the last one being less likely than the two first).

I've been sorting which of the three is the better lynch for today, now with ruru's vote on Scioness convinced me that playing it safe is the better option

Could you explain more about why NSG wouldn't kill Mathdino?