Gunner Mafia [Endgame]

[Ausuka]

That justification seems very weak. What about the post is "super townie"?

it looks genuinely uninformed. like, I don't see someone who knows every alignment writing that.

[Brian Skies]

What exactly am I cheerleading?

Your iso would seem to indicate that you'd like to vote Hopkirk but you're actually voting....srceenplay? right now?

But you haven't interacted with him at all for a while unless I'm fuckin blind.

~The Observer

This also isn't cheerleading?

[Brigand Vvulf]

Panop i recall ur brazen pushes on quick and creature were p scum driven but at the same time the way it was done, was so blatant, and without fear of backlash made me change my mind

[GreyICE]

Ausuka is still scum, Hopkirk is town. also Grey is town but hopefully you all knew that. Hopkirk's town because i say so and also because of the bad read on us. and also because Twin Trap.
if Elli gets us lynched i'm not counting it because hydra. haha.
~Chara

You're not wrong on the first, I'll buy the second after hypnotoad read from Ausuka. That was godawful.

[Thor665]

I gave my read.
You are trying to say I didn’t.

That's not true - what I said was you couldn't describe it. Which IS true.

You are trying to call my playstlye anti town. That’s like saying I don’t deserve to be playing this game.
Am I awesome and able to be a town leader. No. And I don’t try because that’s not what I do. Iirc you called it playstyle as well and now you call it scumy.

What I called scummy was your inability to explain how a theoretical six worse players were less scummy than your current top scumspect.
That you didn't take me up on the challenge shows I'm right that you couldn't.
That it offends you suggests I have a point that it's weak play.
I'm sorry that offends you - but since it appears to be true, and all I'm saying is that it's not good for town if you're town (which is also objectively true) why are you busting my balls instead of trying to explain your reads better?

Your town read didn’t sit well either.

The case for him being town is he's here, he's

active

, he's

rocking the boat

, and, within the context of how he plays, he

appears to be trying to gamesolve

.
Which is more than I can say for easily six other players.
So EVEN IF you want to call him scum - the real question is why aren't those six other lurksacks opportunistic voters MORE scummy to you?

You describe what scum would be trying to do and the describe activity as scumy when it should be nai unless you have meta on someone that says otherwise.

I actually describe activity as townish, and suggest that lurking is scummy - the opposite of what you think I'm saying. Go look at my words again.
Does this realization change your attitude towards my read?

I also disagree that scum tend to be active, be rocking the boat, and be trying to gamesolve.
If you think that's what scum do what do you think town do?

Who do you think i should be better spending my time pressuring exactly? I can't even tell who you're pressuring unless it's me - and that's a waste of my time to join you on, so...?

Not Hopkirk.
Not my problem try reading my posts. Point taken about wagon jumping though...still I like my style ^^

That's silly and illogical. It IS your problem if you're asking me to do something other than what I'm doing but have no actual drive to explain what else I should do.
I clearly think I'm doing okay with what I'm doing, so I have no desire to random change based on nothing.

That justification seems very weak. What about the post is "super townie"?

it looks genuinely uninformed. like, I don't see someone who knows every alignment writing that.

All he's doing in that post is making a case on me.
How does that look genuinely uninformed?

[Centipede Syndrome]

i have someone as 100% scum now.

only one though and I'm too busy to do the rest so I'm leaving that to chara.

stay tuned.

[Spiffeh]

Elli are you scum? Also who is the scum you have?

I’m like 20 pages behind somehow why did this happen

[Centipede Syndrome]

don't plan on revealing for a few irl days unless chara does it on their own

i only gave them the name kek

ideally we trade 1v2 at least so etc.

[Spiffeh]

You’re no fun

Also idk why you’re acting like you’re getting lynched you aren’t even the leading wagon rn

[Centipede Syndrome]

huh im not im getting nk'd

[Centipede Syndrome]

anyway I think I'm only a couple shy of 11 for people here who know to sheep me when I say 100 so nbd

[Centipede Syndrome]

but yeah I can garuantee a scumlynch for today at least.

until then I leave you in chara's very capable hands

[Srceenplay]

That's not true - what I said was you couldn't describe it. Which IS true.

I’m saying I think I already did

In post 1244, Srceenplay wrote:
You are trying to call my playstlye anti town. That’s like saying I don’t deserve to be playing this game.
Am I awesome and able to be a town leader. No. And I don’t try because that’s not what I do. Iirc you called it playstyle as well and now you call it scumy.

What I called scummy was your inability to explain how a theoretical six worse players were less scummy than your current top scumspect.
That you didn't take me up on the challenge shows I'm right that you couldn't.
That it offends you suggests I have a point that it's weak play.
I'm sorry that offends you - but since it appears to be true, and all I'm saying is that it's not good for town if you're town (which is also objectively true) why are you busting my balls instead of trying to explain your reads better?

My point was you are using activity as AI. I meant to say lack of activity you are saying is scumy. You describe what scum should be trying to do as AI. You are looking at surface level shit and trying to make something out of it. That’s fake. You find scum from lies or subconscious slips. The later is what I like.

In post 1244, Srceenplay wrote:
Your town read didn’t sit well either.
In post 1151, Thor665 wrote:
The case for him being town is he's here, he's active , he's rocking the boat , and, within the context of how he plays, he appears to be trying to gamesolve .
Which is more than I can say for easily six other players.
So EVEN IF you want to call him scum - the real question is why aren't those six other lurksacks opportunistic voters MORE scummy to you?


You describe what scum would be trying to do and the describe activity as scumy when it should be nai unless you have meta on someone that says otherwise.

I actually describe activity as townish, and suggest that lurking is scummy - the opposite of what you think I'm saying. Go look at my words again.
Does this realization change your attitude towards my read?

I also disagree that scum tend to be active, be rocking the boat, and be trying to gamesolve.
If you think that's what scum do what do you think town do

no it doesn’t change my attitude.
I’m not saying “scum are active”. Scum can be active and inactive. Town can be active and inactive. NAI. Trying to pass it as scum hunting is fake.
I already said what town should do.

[Srceenplay]

VOTE: Thor

[Thor665]

I’m saying I think I already did

Could you quote it for me?

My point was you are using activity as AI. I meant to say lack of activity you are saying is scumy. You describe what scum should be trying to do as AI. You are looking at surface level Smurf and trying to make something out of it. That’s fake. You find scum from lies or subconscious slips. The later is what I like.

What is the lie or subconscious slip you've caught anyone doing so far?
You're changing your vote tome, what is the lie or slip I did?

no it doesn’t change my attitude.
I’m not saying “scum are active”. Scum can be active and inactive. Town can be active and inactive. NAI. Trying to pass it as scum hunting is fake.
I already said what town should do.

There are assuredly players who will openly self admit that their activity changes with alignment.
I'll note in this game people are discussing stuff about Creature in that vein - does that not affect your thoughts on the tell? Or is your presumption people who think this and self meta as it are all fooling themselves?

[Thor665]

@Srceenplay - It also just occurred to me that you're raging at me for "surface tells" of activity.
Your best explained read is on Quick - and is that he's doing AtE and when I asked you how the AtE benefited his scum plan you couldn't/chose not to answer.

That's your deep level analysis on him?
Your Brian read is a ping.
All of your other reads are less explained than that.

I'm fine with surface level reads, I think they work great. I respect deep reads, I think they also work.
But you raging on me for being too surface when that's your entire case presentation feels fake to me. There definitely feels like a double standard happening here, especially since you're kind of straw manning my Quick read into activity (or at least claiming analysis of scumhunting equates to a shallow activity read - which I would disagree with).

[Srceenplay]

Not at all. I'm not reading through that shit.

I mean whats the reason for your vote then?
And why are you choosing to just ignore all this games content and just complaining about the lack of it.

You saw me do the exact same thing before when I was Town so I'm really not sure why you have a problem with it???

I voted who I thought was the "leader" of the Scum faction.

This post seals them as scum for me.

[Srceenplay]

That was easy

[Srceenplay]

Already answered first 3 questions

[Srceenplay]

Everything starts with a ping.

[Thor665]

Okay, I understand that's the post.
Can you explain the case/deeper read?

[Thor665]

That also wasn't Brain, but, whatever.

[Toranaga]

i have someone as 100% scum now.

only one though and I'm too busy to do the rest so I'm leaving that to chara.

stay tuned.

I'll 100% ignore your read unless I actually agree with it on the principle that none of this is any fun as far as mafia games are concerned

also you have pretty high wolf equity yourself and chara isn't helping

tchill wagon still pretty solid. he refused to do any kind of work in the game and didn't approach me in a towny manner. sorry I don't have a software to be sure about it...

[Brigand Vvulf]

i have someone as 100% scum now.

only one though and I'm too busy to do the rest so I'm leaving that to chara.

stay tuned.

[GreyICE]