Gunner Mafia [Endgame]

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh misread. Elli said he used it on Maria but not for his townreads.

[CheekyTeeky]

Omg is that not what he said?

[Gorkington]

Elli isn't a paragon nom because he uses a machine every single game. you realize that, right? if this wasn't an organic read he would have told me that.
VOTE: Maria

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[CheekyTeeky]

i actually don't mind being lynched if I'm sheeped unconditionally after and d1 lasts 75 pages or so.
for people who don't know I'd recomend them search around for certain things about me lel

Whiffed that post...still back on page 35, but since for every page I read another pops up, might as well just break up this post.

from above - @Quick - basically you're just arguing that not explaining reads is scummy. I'll agree with that. Indeed, I've already said I scumread the slot. What point are you trying to advance here? I already town read you and scumread him, so...?

i actually don't mind being lynched if I'm sheeped unconditionally after and d1 lasts 75 pages or so.
for people who don't know I'd recomend them search around for certain things about me lel

Please don't waste time with AtE.
You've been called out on doing spit - you are half agreeing with it.
Either up your apparent activity, or accept that this is a scumtell you'll absorb repeatedly.
I don't like the yucky feel of the bargain toss out.

have you read or are you aware of inventions mafia

i have someone as 100% scum now.

only one though and I'm too busy to do the rest so I'm leaving that to chara.

stay tuned.

don't plan on revealing for a few irl days unless chara does it on their own

i only gave them the name kek

ideally we trade 1v2 at least so etc.

anyway I think I'm only a couple shy of 11 for people here who know to sheep me when I say 100 so nbd

and i mean frankly, if centipede has a "guilty" and theyre being this inactive i really dont see the point in holding it back.
so, i would probably advocate for that being outted sooner if theyre just sitting on it doing nothing.

i have exams, sorry.

it's Maria. she's scum. go nuts.

Elli isn't a paragon nom because he uses a machine every single game. you realize that, right? if this wasn't an organic read he would have told me that.
VOTE: Maria

Maria makes me feel no type of way so I hope Elli explains that instead of trusting we'll take his word for it

i'm taking his word for it. so if you're think we're scum, we're scum, but if you think we're town, Maria's scum. :>
bed now, night.

town is Grey, Gork, Quick, possibly Hopkirk

scum is Maria and Ausuka. that's all i have right now. everything but Maria is my read.

pedit: take it up with Elli, it's not like i know how it works beyond the vaguest of things i've been told.

Pretty sure he's claimed to have used the program for the read.

[Spiffeh]

Gork I'm actually town reading Elli pretty hard I'm just annoyed that people are just following his lead with no explanation

I'll get over it

[CheekyTeeky]

Spoiler:

i actually don't mind being lynched if I'm sheeped unconditionally after and d1 lasts 75 pages or so.
for people who don't know I'd recomend them search around for certain things about me lel

Whiffed that post...still back on page 35, but since for every page I read another pops up, might as well just break up this post.

from above - @Quick - basically you're just arguing that not explaining reads is scummy. I'll agree with that. Indeed, I've already said I scumread the slot. What point are you trying to advance here? I already town read you and scumread him, so...?

i actually don't mind being lynched if I'm sheeped unconditionally after and d1 lasts 75 pages or so.
for people who don't know I'd recomend them search around for certain things about me lel

Please don't waste time with AtE.
You've been called out on doing spit - you are half agreeing with it.
Either up your apparent activity, or accept that this is a scumtell you'll absorb repeatedly.
I don't like the yucky feel of the bargain toss out.

have you read or are you aware of inventions mafia

i have someone as 100% scum now.

only one though and I'm too busy to do the rest so I'm leaving that to chara.

stay tuned.

don't plan on revealing for a few irl days unless chara does it on their own

i only gave them the name kek

ideally we trade 1v2 at least so etc.

anyway I think I'm only a couple shy of 11 for people here who know to sheep me when I say 100 so nbd

and i mean frankly, if centipede has a "guilty" and theyre being this inactive i really dont see the point in holding it back.
so, i would probably advocate for that being outted sooner if theyre just sitting on it doing nothing.

i have exams, sorry.

it's Maria. she's scum. go nuts.

Elli isn't a paragon nom because he uses a machine every single game. you realize that, right? if this wasn't an organic read he would have told me that.
VOTE: Maria

Maria makes me feel no type of way so I hope Elli explains that instead of trusting we'll take his word for it

i'm taking his word for it. so if you're think we're scum, we're scum, but if you think we're town, Maria's scum. :>
bed now, night.

town is Grey, Gork, Quick, possibly Hopkirk

scum is Maria and Ausuka. that's all i have right now. everything but Maria is my read.

pedit: take it up with Elli, it's not like i know how it works beyond the vaguest of things i've been told.

Pretty sure he's claimed to have used the program for the read.

Ebwop sorry I broke the spoiler

[Gorkington]

honestly dude, the reality is I have a meta tell on her that I'm confident in, so it'd be a lot more helpful if you help me me look for her buddies because I

am

fairly lost with regards to that atm.

pretty sure its a manually derived meta tell.

[CheekyTeeky]

...I'm sorry for wasting everyone's time. I'm going to go die somewhere dark and quiet now.

[Srceenplay]

Especially you Creature/Srceenplay O_o

Im waiting.

Elli is this a 100% read or Maria or is it just you saying they are scum?

*on Maria

Never answered.

[Srceenplay]

i mean im still more down to lynch panoptic atm
if maria doesnt want to fight people pushing her then im not going to force a wagon on her when its going to be difficult when i know for a fact i can make a pan wagon and i feel more confident about it

so there!

Wasn’t the pan push because of the resistance to a Maria wagon?

Never answered.

[Srceenplay]

I think you're lying (again) quote it to prove me wrong?

I got busy yesterday.
I can still do it but don’t know if it is relevant atm.

These are the ones that set me off again. No one responded to me about doing it later, so I dropped it. The game moved along from that point and figured it would be a distraction from the current discussion.

can you talk about why youre taking stances on the wagon instead of the player?

I'm not taking a stance on the wagon. Whether Chill flips Town or Scum here you look bad both ways. If Chill is Town, it's opportunistic, if he is Scum, it's a buss without reasoning attached.

Shade throwing calling someone. Damned if they do. Damned if they don’t approach.

i said "choo choo". its basically an implication of "this is wagoning for the sake of the wagon". the follow-up question i had for tchill was asking for a timeline on his reads.

p-edit: on d1?

choochoo is hardly a reason to vote someone. You can't be serious here.

Yeah, happens a lot regardless of what day it is.

Town is stupid.

Town is stupid sounds like they are gloating talking about someone else.

Hell yeah. I've had a game where I voted three people on day 1 and my vote never left scum.

If you think it's impossible to have good reads on day 1 you might just be bad.

Could you please answer the question I directed at you? I'll repeat: do you plan on continuing the charade that you don't know your role or are you going to admit you knew your role all along? And I not even necessarily SRing you for that, so just be honest, kay?

Shading again but not scum reading.

[Gorkington]

Tchill13 is probably town.

can i get some words on this?

[Quick]

can you talk about why youre taking stances on the wagon instead of the player?

I'm not taking a stance on the wagon. Whether Chill flips Town or Scum here you look bad both ways. If Chill is Town, it's opportunistic, if he is Scum, it's a buss without reasoning attached.

Shade throwing calling someone. Damned if they do. Damned if they don’t approach.

Yeah, I am Pmuch TRing Gork because of that interaction.. want to try that again?

i said "choo choo". its basically an implication of "this is wagoning for the sake of the wagon". the follow-up question i had for tchill was asking for a timeline on his reads.

p-edit: on d1?

choochoo is hardly a reason to vote someone. You can't be serious here.

Yeah, happens a lot regardless of what day it is.

Town is stupid.

Town is stupid sounds like they are gloating talking about someone else.

Or, you know, I have played enough games of Mafia to know Town usually does stupid things. Take your pick

Hell yeah. I've had a game where I voted three people on day 1 and my vote never left scum.

If you think it's impossible to have good reads on day 1 you might just be bad.

Could you please answer the question I directed at you? I'll repeat: do you plan on continuing the charade that you don't know your role or are you going to admit you knew your role all along? And I not even necessarily SRing you for that, so just be honest, kay?

Shading again but not scum reading.

Since when is Scumhunting Shading?

[Randomnamechange]

Tone read Quick

on it will iso in a sec. from 1934-this post he is def guttown tho

THOR PROBABLY SCUM WITH MARIA AND SRCEENPLAY. EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T VOTE IN MARIA/CS TODAY IS SCUM CLAIMING.

well thisisnt a very good post

Arrogance is the camouflage of insecurity.

Arrogance is used by the weak, while kindness is used by the strong.

(just don't Kill em with kindness)

creature ily

it's okay if anyone calls u scum just omgus with the force of a thousand suns

or call them stupid

up to you

the trick is a technique i am in the process of perfecting - pre-emptive OMGUS

What are the choices? I'm like 6 pages behind.

The choices are between MariaR and Centipede.

Look, Centipede (Elli) called a guilty on MariaR. Imo this guilty is 100% legitimate because I've seen the results first hand in Team Mafia. I see no reason for scum!CS to do this as it would be suicidal if fake and the wagon on MariaR went through. Today we should be lynching in those two.

It would be suicidal? This sounds like someone who doesn't have much experience with this game or is Scum.

i'm with quick on this one. fake guilties as scum are definitely achievable for a good player, which elli and chara are.

TOWN
19. Centipede Syndrome (Ellibereth+Chara)
18. Creature
9. Quick
10. Gorkington
3. Beeboy
1. randomidget
8. Hopkirk
5. Bins
21. Nero Cain
7. CheekyTeeky

SCUM
2. MariaR

PEOPLE LEFT
4. Thor665
6. Ausuka
11. GreyICE
12. Panopticon (Varsoon and Tn5421)
13. The Worst
14. Srceenplay
15. Spiffeh
16. Brigand Vvulf
17. Tchill13
20. Brian Skies

we're getting there

only one scumread?

actually i might be dumb, he might just be saying both are scum for different reasons.
context of previous post kind of makes that more likely.

his confidence level does not match his reasoning though.
>.>

Because it's a blatant misrep

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i also think its pretty fucking hot garbage that youre now coming back to respond to the case -
without actually responding to it at all, by just trying to discredit it with a weird roundabout "oh well his one reason is shit and wrong and i never engaged him on it to explain why its wrong so hes null i guess".
literally the worst way you could have responded to me scumreading you.

The reasons for most of my reads are weak because most of my reads are weak.



Petit obviously that was sarcasm as I'm now voting someone else

No. tchill is today's wagon, no deviation allowed, absent a literal scum claim.

youre really walking this back as sarcasm? because it really does not read that way at all.

vote: panopticon

i want this.
i want this in my fucking bones.
theres literally nothing tn is doing thats town.

and i have to be honest, like, i wouldnt be doing my due diligence here if i just flat out trusted elli [and i kind of feel like he should also be seeing panopticon as an obvious buddy option here/it makes me nervous that he doesnt] and if im being even more honest, i was kind of putting a voice in a corner at the back of my mind that was saying that i cant really confidently read her in general.

most of tn's meta sprawls back a few years so theres some level of doubt to be had, but man it just looks so much like this is his scumgame rather than his towngame:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=65370 [unsigned posts are him]
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=66095

and i think the best reason i can give is that scumtn talks at people when hes scumreading them.
and towntn just tries to get them lynched.

tn is just talking at people in this game.
hes not trying to sort people.
theres nothing genuine about anything hes doing.

theres nothing genuine about doubtcasting someone because theyre scumreading something your hydra partner did because you didnt post it.
theres nothing genuine about anything hes pushed on tchill.
and theres especially nothing genuine about him trying to walk back his read there as not being strong when hes indicated anything but the contrary.

the bonus here is that elli can still be right and pan can still be scum because pan's reaction to elli's program is really really fucking scummy if maria is scum.

theres also some part of me that doesnt like that a maria wagon based entirely on elli's rep and cheeky saying "UR SCUM IF U DONT" basically gives all of these players an excuse to jump on the wagon without actually putting anything behind their vote, which makes the wagon especially hard to hold anyone accountable to that isnt elli on d2 if it flips town.

i rly like this case. would be happy to vote there at some point.

[Bins]

im actually starting to feel slightly better about pano? i think

idk

i dont have a good enough reason to fight that, but if it's been tn i actually get decent vibes rereading their ISO

[Randomnamechange]

yeah gut says quick is town for me. don't have experience with him tho

[Bins]

TOWN
19. Centipede Syndrome (Ellibereth+Chara)
18. Creature
9. Quick
10. Gorkington
3. Beeboy
1. randomidget
8. Hopkirk
5. Bins
21. Nero Cain
7. CheekyTeeky

SCUM
2. MariaR

PEOPLE LEFT
4. Thor665
6. Ausuka
11. GreyICE
12. Panopticon (Varsoon and Tn5421)
13. The Worst
14. Srceenplay
15. Spiffeh
16. Brigand Vvulf
17. Tchill13
20. Brian Skies

we're getting there

tbf i sort of agree with this but i think grey and panopticon are town
brian is also ok? i think
i need explaining on beeboy and i dont really have a read on random and cheeky

also i dont know if maria is scum
i feel like im just gonna mislynch again ahahhaeh

[Bins]

but lynch that ausuka iso am i right

[Srceenplay]

Tchill13 is probably town.

can i get some words on this?

Early with limited posts I could have been either way.
When he came back his posts was free flowing. I guess that’s how I would describe it. He’s not really caring about D1 and wants to move onto the next day. He’s not trying to force something.

[Bins]

im like 66.7% sure ausuka is scum

[Quick]

im like 66.7% sure ausuka is scum

Oh look you activated my trap card:

People who give BS numbers are usually Scum.

[Bins]

u know its a joke right

[Quick]

u know its a joke right

Yeah, I can see you saying this a Scum.

[Gorkington]

u know its a joke right

boo get off the stage

[Bins]

quick is 23.4% capable of understanding a joke