Mini 2004 - Birth of the Necromancer - [DERP! - MOD LOSES]

[Tywin Lannister]

I wasnt ninja replaced yet, right?

[the worst]

Nope.

[the worst]

Tywin Lannister has not picked up his prod.

Now seeking replacements for Papa Zito and Tywin Lannister

Guys I'm sorry, I have to replace out. Things have gone all kinds of wrong at work so I'm doing 12 hour days and just don't have the time or energy needed to give this game the attention it deserves. I really hate to leave since this looks like a fun puzzle to solve but you guys will be better served with someone who can devote more attention than I can. Good luck!

Okay. I'll be getting you a replacement momentarily.

Now looking for a replacement for Papa Zito

Presumably you're ok.

[Tywin Lannister]

Ok thanks. Happened elsewhere, and I didn't realize until after I had caught up. Wasted hours I'll post something of substance in a few

[the worst]

Sweeet

[Tywin Lannister]

So i admittedly skimmed, but I noticed only a few things of note:

Zito disappeared, Ankarius and Srceen continue to hard defend everyone i SR, Ankarius/Srceen say Wisdom, The Worst, Sugar are the scum team? Scum likely refuse to let Zito, Ankarius, or Srceen keep a wagon. Brassharald is lurker vote to get that out of the way, but it's less substance than Zito, Ankarius, or Srceen, and he's basically a shitty compromise vote.

I get that scum wont let their buddies get lynched, and there's still a full scum team to prevent it. Even if Zito is not scum, Ankarius and Srceen still are my top SRs besides him. Nothing said has changed that. I don't care about Ankarius and Srceen's sort-of-but-not-really weak SR on each other. Every partner distances. I don't care that both TR him (Ankarius calls Zito their top TR beside ND). Scum Ankarius, who sees Zito not on their team, would have cause to hard defend him. Its decent town cred for whenever he does inevitably get lynched. Scum Ankarius with Scum Zito would also obviously defend Zito, because losing a buddy on what's essentially still D1 (since evee still protects after death) is near game-over for them. Its the worst case scenerio. Any scum buddy of Ankarius would also push elsewhere from them for all the same reasons. Essentially, I'm saying no scum worth their salt would hard-bus a teammate today based on the situation they find themselves in. 100% theyd try to deflect and redirect into someone else, barring just being new to mafia (or bad at it) in general. This is my rock solid belief at least. So yes, Ankarius is damned if they do and damned if they don't, but mostly damned because I hard SR her independently, and her hard defence of Zito (yet without actual reason, unlike ND) is icing on the cake. Their discredit of my case on them, zito, and Srceen (and Ankarius has tried quite hard to discredit and dismiss my cases as being a 'trap') is normal scum 101 play. I'd do it too if I were scum.

So... back to the other elephant in the room: Brass is very null to me. He's probably gonna be lynched as the compromise wagon between town and scum. Scum want anyone but them lynched, and town can't stick a wagon on zito, ankarius, or Srceen. Pretty obvious imo why, but we'll see. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd rather bet on that than go anywhere else. I'm just repeating what I've said many times, but I'm pretty sold with it. IF say, Ankarius flipped town, I'd be more willing to go with their reads that contradict mine, but I won't until that happens. My mind has been made up until I see either one of my reads flip town, or someone outside of them have flipped scum. Maybe Zitos replacement can change my mind here, but Ankarius and Srceen need to go. That's just good game sense imo.

So... despite being gone the last few days, I'm still 100% where I was from the beginning. I'd rather lynch between my original pool than to go elsewhere based off of a push made by my SRs, and a brass lynch gives absolutely zero information regardless of his flip imo. He's a decent wagon, but only because he's null to almost everyone, not because he's obvious scum. Imo, his flip doesn't help much, especially if it's town. We will be back to our preconceived notions from D2, probably down an obvious townie (unless evee keeps protecting even though theyre dead, and I wouldnt pay attention if it were me), same as the Evee lynch did absolutely nothing to help town. It was a great scum lynch, which is why Srceen quickhammered. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see why he'd do that over actually demanding a claim. He's gotten almost zero real pressure from hammering, has given very little content, and nobody cares. He's still scum in my eyes.

Zito isn't here and his replacement might be worth waiting for. I don't see any reason to switch gears by sheeping Ankarius on wisdom or the worst. Idc about Eddie at all today. ND looks super town to me for multiple reasons, and pairing ND with Zito isn't likely. Sugar Cain is null, because I haven't engaged with them and probably won't waste my time yet. Brassharald is meh for me, but I'd not be opposed to their lynch. I just don't see any real point to it, since even if they are scum, they'd be the weakest link so far and gives no real info regardless of flip (to me at least). Kokichi isn't in my radar either, and they won't be even if Zito flipped town or ND flipped scum. Theyre solidly town imo. ActionDan might be scum, but I don't have a case. I'm forgetting people probably, but I can't remember who.

Worst case scenario for me is Wisdom, the worst, and someone like Eddie or Sugar flip scum, since I've been giving them a pass all game in search of monsters to slay. That's a possibility, but I won't consider it barring my original reads being proven wrong, and the fact that they can't get a wagon to stick in the way a townie like Evee could just secures my confirmation bias. I want one of them gone before I'll consider switching gears.

VOTE: Ankarius


All of town should join me on this righteous crusade against the murderous infidels. Deus Vult!

[Wisdom]

Brassharald is lurker vote to get that out of the way, but it's less substance than Zito, Ankarius, or Srceen, and he's basically a shitty compromise vote.

Im definitely not considering it a compromise vote

[Wisdom]

I dont like how you claim youve made your mind up
People post, reads change

Also Ank is really obvious town

[Ankamius]

Tywin:

Well, first, before I say anything, please double check my name.

Next, some questions for you:

1. I've spent a lot of today calling Zito leaning town based on primarily the wagon on him. Zito lately has been under less pressure than any other time today and I'm still generally distrusted and don't have any significant influence; why would I suddenly declare Zito to be obvtown after the direct pressure on me is slackened?

2. What do you mean by sheeping me on Wisdom or the worst? By this token, what are your opinions on my reads since you also mentioned in that post that you would give more credence to them if I flipped town.

3. Assuming the case of me-scum and town-zito you mentioned, what does the game state progressing the way it has mean for that? You say I'm looking to get towncred for his inevitable lynch, but it turned into me becoming a competing wagon for him briefly before the game state ballooned into a mess of other wagons. What do you believe my scum agenda is with this progression?

4. I was referring to one specific case (I believe one you made early on when Zito was at L-2 about why he wasn't lynched yet(?)) when I said you fell into a trap. What was your impression since you referred to cases in the plural form?

[Eddie Cane]

I will trust Wisdom on town!Ank. This still applies to scum Wisdom.

VOTE: Sugar Cain

[Wisdom]

Can you vote brass instead

[Srceenplay]

Or wisdom

[Ankamius]

Worst case scenario for me is Wisdom, the worst, and someone like Eddie or Sugar flip scum, since I've been giving them a pass all game in search of monsters to slay. That's a possibility, but I won't consider it barring my original reads being proven wrong, and

the fact that they can't get a wagon to stick in the way a townie like Evee could just secures my confirmation bias. I want one of them gone before I'll consider switching gears.

One thing I would like you to show your work on as well is this right here. What's different about the wagons your referring to from Eevee?

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: Sugar Cain

[Ankamius]

*you're

welp.

[Srceenplay]

No you’re welp

[Srceenplay]

Worst case scenario for me is Wisdom, the worst, Tywin

Did he just scum slip and out his team?

[Ankamius]

Huh?

[Wisdom]

hes trolling, he edited the quote

[Beefster]

havingfitz replaces Papa Zito

[Sugar Cain]

Hey Nancy, wanna talk to mom for a sec?

You pretty much bleed town and I realize you were at L-1 but I think it was more a combination of sheer annoyance with you, and people not wanting to read you because of the massive AtE, policy, and it being scum driven.

I need to reread d1 again to get a better jist of what's going on regarding you, zito and eevee but I also remember a brief moment where zito had some shade thrown his way before Eevee was ultimately lynched.

Where do you stand on wisdom because I think it was him and maybe brass that was scum pushing your wagon

How did Brass push my wagon?

He was like the 3rd or 4th person on the wagon before it disapated

[Sugar Cain]

Ohhey Fitz.

I don't understand why I continue to not receive Pedits before posting

[Wisdom]

Mara wanna vote brass with me since its apparently your only non-me scumread

[havingfitz]

Should be caught up by tomorrow.

[Sugar Cain]

No.

This last page or two is kinda weirding me out