Open 724 - Pick Your Power X/Y [Endgame]

[Ausuka]

I wanna wagon ... lalendra

sure
VOTE: Lalendra

Preferred option but why are you against mutant?

VOTE: Lalendra

I'm not against it but I think a Lalendra wagon will be more ~interesting~

[the worst]

1) the worst, what are your reads at the moment? A quick look through your ISO and I see a lot of responses and some fluffy posts. What do you think of Ausuka at the moment, in retrospect to your vote on her 276 - and what about Almost50 gives you townvibes?

I like SIMYK Lovebird Iconeum Math A50 Ausuka for town, roughly in that order. For the record I have a 0% success rate with reading Ausuka so will not prescribe a hard read there unless there is a good one to sheep.

A50 has been inconsistent but a couple of things from him have struck me tonally as unlikely to come from scum!A50. I have been buddies with him once and seen him as a TPR once and he's net more reminiscent of the latter

[the worst]

I wanna wagon ... lalendra

sure
VOTE: Lalendra

Preferred option but why are you against mutant?

VOTE: Lalendra

I'm not against it but I think a Lalendra wagon will be more ~interesting~

same

[mutantdevle]

i can only assume you completely skimmed the entire argument i had with luca blight in tit for tat

i town lead when i'm in a playerlist that allows me to

some playerlists are weirdly anti-setup spec so i get sidetracked

like i feel like if 3 or 4 people suddenly went "yeah i'll sheep math on this" or "math is clearly the town leader" you'd be reading me differently because of how other slots treat me

I skimmed some of the argument but I did intentively read most of it so that I could try and give a convincing read on both of you. You still seemed like a town leader in that though. And you did face a bit of criticism in that game, I interpreted town jumping on A50 like that as a massive "fuck you" directed towards you and your attempts to lead the town.

In this game, the only people really against you those who disagree with setup spec and A50 being saddened by you not town reading him. I don't think the way others perceive you has anything to do with this tbh. It's all about how I perceive you.

[The Janitor]

Okay I have 30 spare minutes let's gooooo

Spoiler:

VOTE: Ircher

why do you find it unnecessary to not address any of his concerns and naked vote inistead?

how do you read me (besides adorable)?

Is there really any other way to, honestly?

Vengeful has been in 7 PYP X/Y games. Of those, 57% (4) have been town.

Ya, I figured picking Vengeful is not really typical for either faction but would you agree about scum profiting more from it from the vig option and/or a vig being more likely town?

@janitor; If you believe Simyk has been posting lots of non-fluffy content, why doesn't that make her town to you?

I'm townleaning there after catching up.

425 to 428 seems mostly fluff to me when there's enough to discussion I reckon

In the future shall we see what you had PLEDGED to PROVIDE (O_O ;;) ?

What exactly?

Okay and I'm out again! Sorry for being shit at planning.

[Ircher]

5. 227 to 235 and 237 to 244 by mutantdevle: Aside from your two "I need to catch up posts", your first several posts deal almost exclusively with the setup and the draft and without anything to do with some kind of read one way or another. I don't necessarily consider that a good thing, and tbqh, it is actually a good way to look like town as scum. I'll have to see though if this trend continues, or if this is just part of your catch-up which you seem to be doing sequentially like I normally do. (Leaning Scum)

If you're going to consider setup spec as scummy

Then you may as well lock scum me now.


The longer I live the more setup spec I'm going to do and, with enough information, I could very well 'solve' the game rather than read it provided I can convince others of my point of view.

Setup spec is not intrinsicly scummy;

however

, doing it exclusively IS for multiple reasons

including

being able to easily “look town” as scum (scum can do a very good job, more so generally than townies with setup spec) and while a few things we’ve done with setup spec increases our chances of winning (I’m primarily referring to MathDino’s argument that scum would not choose the same draft number), the majority of it at this stage are simply conjectures that we really cannot act on at this stage of the game; I.e.: the emphasis should be more on reads and scumhunting and less on breaking the setup and finding associative.

[Taly]

3) 429 and 520 is an extremely expansive analysis, almost post-by-post, of someone's reads. Unless Ircher is doing his very best to dictate the perception in this thread - which I extremely doubt he's doing, given there's almost no defense for his wagon - tells me that his effort is coming from a sympathetic and individualistic standpoint.

I can EMPATHIZE with this read, but I think the MORE alignment indicative part (the EXPANSIVENESS of the ANALYSIS) is NOT town indicative - I concur with Math-sensei that effort is NOT alignment indicative. As a result I am hesitant to EXPRESS an IDENTICAL concurring on your description of 217 as "a lot of content given his reads" as you have STATED ( ´•̥ו̥` )

The presence of HUMAN ERROR however prevades, which is why I am taking care to interact with AUSUKA-CHAN about the validity of Ircher's self-meta. PLUS I would like to see how much of this read is NAI based on PERSONALITY. But now I shall WROUGHT a unblemished case for your perusal next ٩(•̤̀ᵕ•̤́๑)૭✧

I reiterated and expanded on my reasons for

Ircher

town in 539, if you still don't agree with my townread I'd like to see a more concisely formulated case.

I think self-meta is usually skewed; and meta in general is not a good read unless you've had multiple games with someone in different alignments each. So I don't see the meta-argument with

Ircher

, here.

And what are your thoughts over

Ausuka

? She's posted her thoughts more cleanly and her pushes, I'm going to look at them in depth soon.

I just didn't feel that the push on Janitor by Iconeum was genuine; 194 and 194 were essentially adding onto a discredit while simplifying Janitor's responses in the game.

Also taking a SECOND look into this I do feel this interpretation makes a lot more SENSE than how I INITIALLY INTERPRETED it

ICONEUM when you are back from your V/LA could you possibly provide us with provisional placements of the players in this game? As my null pile THINS OUT and I see the case to SCUMREAD YOU I would like to place you on my own and I believe this is the right place to start - ESPECIALLY considering you are a PRIORITY sort! ٩(๑•̀ㅂ•́)و

How do you feel about

mutant

? I'm guessing you suspect

Iconeum

and are scumreading

Ircher

?

@Taly: 425 was obviously a joke. I TR mutant by tone an effort.

Also, my approach is so simple it doesn't really need much elaboration/exploration. Scum will pick the smallest numbers without repetition. So, 1-2-3 is ideal. However, if they suspected (and they should have) town might also go for those, they'd try to avoid being on duplicate numbers, so they'd probably pick 1-3-5, 1-4-6, 2-3-4 ..etc.

So, I'm going for 1/2 to have at least one scum in them, but will also note both players who picked '2' cannot be scum together (no repetition).

So, it's Icon (picked 1 when no one else did) and Janitor (picked 2, which is also what Math has picked, but I'm TRing Dino).

Hopefully by the time both are lynched we would have results from other slots on other slots. That's it in a nutshell.

So you're thinking

Iconeum

is more likely scum than

Janitor

based on looking into the brackets, and you're stating an associative with

Iconeum, Lalendra and the worst

(?)

How did you come to this conclusion?

I see the possibility of

Iconeum

scum, but I have townvibes coming from

TW

and I think

Lalendra

has been generally ineffective.

I wanna wagon ... lalendra

sure
VOTE: Lalendra

Preferred option but why are you against mutant?

VOTE: Lalendra

You keep following other people's votes TW, is that mostly to gauge a read on

Ausuka's

alignment?

1) the worst, what are your reads at the moment? A quick look through your ISO and I see a lot of responses and some fluffy posts. What do you think of Ausuka at the moment, in retrospect to your vote on her 276 - and what about Almost50 gives you townvibes?

I like SIMYK Lovebird Iconeum Math A50 Ausuka for town, roughly in that order. For the record I have a 0% success rate with reading Ausuka so will not prescribe a hard read there unless there is a good one to sheep.

A50 has been inconsistent but a couple of things from him have struck me tonally as unlikely to come from scum!A50. I have been buddies with him once and seen him as a TPR once and he's net more reminiscent of the latter

Was your sheep-vote on

Lalendra

based on an individual scumread?

I've never liked self-votes, but I've seen games where

Almost50

does it as either alignment and I've definitely seen him as town come from the mentality of sympathizing with a self-vote. The biggest meta-thing I can give from

Almost50

is that he's likely town here with his mindset. It's not strong though.

~~~~

Spoiler: Reply to Mathdino

After some retrospect, I feel like

Math

and I were clashing a bit. We had different viewpoints coming into the game and I did get heated quickly and that didn't serve to help anything, and I can see his mentality more likely coming from town than scum. He's thinking in depth about his reads and he's drawing as much information as he knows to solidify them.

- The current paragon winner won due to being the best general metadiver on this site in history.
I don't claim success rates close to that. I've been specifically working to get better at the meta side of play over the past few months (rolling town a lot helps with that).
Knowing how someone thinks is the single best advantage you can have over them when they're scum.

- Did you seriously just ask me whether I can read people for why they picked the numbers they did?
Can you mindread people and why they'd make the votes they did?
Can you mindread people and why they'd choose the roles they did?
Can you mindread people and why they'd make the posts they did?

Everything is readable if you have the tools to do so. I have data. And yes, there are some players in this game that I CAN read based off the numbers they picked. Hell, I'll fully admit I planned out my opening. I picked 2 because I expected it to fuck over scum (because scum tends to pick 2 in this setup with probability greater than random). But beyond that, I was planning on telling everyone that in my first post.

But I guess all that info is useless, yeah?

I don't think the info. was useless, I wasn't sure about how you came to those conclusions. I don't think it's that easy to predict unless you know specific players, but some people are less predictable. I think a conclusion would be stronger with a flip.

I made myself clear; I thought of my number before the full playerlist even signed up, and I wanted a PR regardless of my alignment, and that was one of the bigger reasons I joined the game.

I've already crumbed the aftermath of that in my first post, and full-claiming would defeat the purpose of my gameplay right now.

I looked through

Lalendra's

ISO and I haven't seen anything noteworthy
Her opening post in 221 provides no original insight and the other posts don't have much to add after 200 posts in the game.

VOTE: Lalendra

I want to see where this wagon goes.

Also really hate it when I don't have my vote in play, and when I'm almost searching for scumreads when I generally have good townreads. :/

[yessiree]

VC 1.8

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch

The Janitor (3) -

Iconeum, Beefster, Ircher

Ircher (3) -

SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis, Mathdino, mutantdevle,

Lalendra (3) -

Ausuka, the worst, Taly

Ausuka (2) -

Lovebird, brassherald

Iconeum (1) -

Almost50

Not voting

- Lalendra, The Janitor

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2018-05-15 20:00:00)

[yessiree]

Beefster has been prodded.

[mutantdevle]

Ya, I figured picking Vengeful is not really typical for either faction but would you agree about scum profiting more from it from the vig option and/or a vig being more likely town?

Vig is exactly 50/50 out of 8 games. But I do think scum would rather have a vig than vengeful.

[Almost50]

get the fuck out by replacing out.

You know what? This is actually a good idea. When even people whom I consider friends turn on me and start using foul language it's time for me to leave the game.

@Mod: Sorry, but I think it better for me to replace out than respond in fashion and get banned

[Lovebird]

Ok, I read it but can't find quote now. But, ircher saying that his meta makes him town is towny.

[Lovebird]

Ausuka making the one big post where she goes from scumreading ircher to townreading him is weird. If you read through and change your mind before post is finished, why do you include first parts in the first place.

[Lovebird]

Okay I have 30 spare minutes let's gooooo

Spoiler:

VOTE: Ircher

why do you find it unnecessary to not address any of his concerns and naked vote inistead?

how do you read me (besides adorable)?

Is there really any other way to, honestly?

Vengeful has been in 7 PYP X/Y games. Of those, 57% (4) have been town.

Ya, I figured picking Vengeful is not really typical for either faction but would you agree about scum profiting more from it from the vig option and/or a vig being more likely town?

@janitor; If you believe Simyk has been posting lots of non-fluffy content, why doesn't that make her town to you?

I'm townleaning there after catching up.

425 to 428 seems mostly fluff to me when there's enough to discussion I reckon

In the future shall we see what you had PLEDGED to PROVIDE (O_O ;;) ?

What exactly?

Okay and I'm out again! Sorry for being shit at planning.

I think this is towny

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Lovebird

[Lovebird]

Lol

[yessiree]

davesaz replaces Almost50

[Ircher]

VC 1.8

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch

The Janitor (3) - Iconeum, Beefster, Ircher
Ircher (3) - SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis, Mathdino, mutantdevle,
Lalendra (3) - Ausuka, the worst, Taly
Ausuka (2) - Lovebird, brassherald
Iconeum (1) - Almost50

Not voting - Lalendra, The Janitor

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2018-05-15 21:01:53)

I'm sorry, but I do not think this kind of game state is really helping anyone... We should reduce the number of wagons so we can get some info BEFORE the end of the day.

[yessiree]

VC 1.9

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch

The Janitor (3) -

Iconeum, Beefster, Ircher

Ircher (3) -

SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis, Mathdino, mutantdevle,

Lalendra (3) -

Ausuka, the worst, Taly

Ausuka (2) -

Lovebird, brassherald

Iconeum (1) -

davesaz

Not voting

- Lalendra, The Janitor

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2018-05-15 20:00:00)

[davesaz]

Good, it wasn't a gambit.

[Beefster]

Requesting replacement. Life has been a little bit crazy for me lately.

[davesaz]

Town reads on Ircher and Taly.
Weak town lean on Beefster.
Wanna look closely at people on Ircher wagon.
The Janitor possible scum.

[mutantdevle]

Good, it wasn't a gambit.

What wasn't?

[davesaz]

If you're paying attention then it's clear from context.
Further details are better left for much later.

[davesaz]

Iso'd mutantdevle. Overuse of setup spec discussison can lead to telling scum what they need to fakeclaim or who they need to kill.
I will argue against misinformation and misuse of basically correct spec if I see it but otherwise would prefer to leave enough intact to solve later.