Mini 2006: Scummer in this game UPick GAME OVER

[OnTheMark]

so why exactly are you townreading maria for something that she could EASILY fake?

Because MariaR fakes with extreme AtE when poked and prodded

Her sinking is more a genuine desire to not read or blaze

Not scum motivated.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That said, I felt Lovebird was scum early and people shut me down due to the mason claims, so I'll lynch that.

Even though I just want to lynch Mathdino so he can be the fuck out of this game.

[Mathdino]

I don't agree with this assessment.

If lovebird AND Nahdia are scum, I don't think they stop playing the gambit TODAY before you get lynched Mark.

They just keep pretending.

That being said, it's possible Beeboy was scum and Nahdia didn't feel she could do the gambibt anymore since she doesn't know lovebird as well, so she abandoned it and now the pressure is on lovebird?

i think the opposite.

i think nahdia keeps up the gambit after checking the scum PT and seeing The Plan for the day

i also don't think beeboy goes to such a massive length to upend the day and create multiple cc situations if scum. i think that's suicide.

what i think actually happened was beeboy implemented the test, had his whole plan fizzle out and the gamestate devolve into chaos

and scum-lovebird kind of just meh'd her way through it and went along with it

[Mathdino]

Even though I just want to lynch Mathdino so he can be the fuck out of this game.

ITT: people who played as scum against town-me (without ever playing as town together) dislike my presence in the game

go metadive my replace-ins if anyone is actually interested in sorting my slot

my replace-in meta is really all that matters

[mastina]

i'm uninterested in making today any more of a shitshow than it has to be

Incidentally I'm fairly certain this game blows the records out of the water for longest D1. camn's revenge had 117, and we're way past that. I know the records page is out of date, but with over 3,000 posts we have at the very least surpassed the stated second-longest D1. (Also holy shit I didn't realize a game I modded was that long, totally forgot about that.)

By which I mean.

This game's only getting started as far as hellholes go.

It is a very bad thing when records for longest games are broken.
It is a VERY bad thing.

It is NOT A THING TO BE PROUD OF.
It is NOT A THING TO BOAST ABOUT.
It is a hallmark of a game going to shit.

I link that not to say it's something we should strive for. But as a warning of what we're IN for. We've been through hell already but we've got a whole fucking lot more as far as hell is concerned.

As optimistic and idealistic as I may be.
What I'm saying here is that in my cynicism. I am anticipating it getting worse before it gets better. I am anticipating things devolving before they have a chance to evolve again, of degenerating and making the game even worse than before, before we get to a game better. In short, I don't think we've reached our darkest point yet; I think that's yet to come.

In part because I believe the game needs to be more of a shitshow in order for town to actually head in the right direction. If we just rushed to try and get out of the shitshow, we would end up with lazy lynches on, say. Not_Mafia. Seems like a fine example of a lynch we'd agree on to try and be all civil and not be shitty, as a peace offering.

Except...he'd flip town.

Yes, I realize that my scumteam of OnTheMark/Kokichi Oma/MariaR can't be the actual scumteam. I've known that for the longest time. But I firmly believe that lynching all three is our best bet at winning, both by having at least one if not two scum in them (and thus, lynching scum), and because any townflip in there helps to point us much better in the right direction.

There is no other player I can say that of.
No player outside of those three if lynched and flipping EITHER alignment really gives us clues, but especially town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Even though I just want to lynch Mathdino so he can be the fuck out of this game.

ITT: people who played as scum against town-me (without ever playing as town together) dislike my presence in the game

go metadive my replace-ins if anyone is actually interested in sorting my slot

my replace-in meta is really all that matters

It has nothing to do about your skill as a player (which isn't that much given you didn't catch me in that Team Mafia game and I wouldn't have been lynched if I hadn't gotten emotionally riled up and called out RC on his bullshit.

It has everything to do with the fact that I find you reprehensible. You think you're twice as clever as everyone else, when in reality you're so remarkably average that it hurts.

It's the fact that you will take these little chicken shit potshots at people that you can hide behind them being "just a joke" or "oh I didn't mean it that way"

You replace into a game with Maria in it. A game where you claimed not to know she was in and yet

YOU ALSO CLAIMED IN THIS VERY GAME THAT YOU WERE READING FROM THE BEGINNING TO SEE THE ROLES, WHICH MEANS YOU LIED

I have like, so little respect for you, you piss me off, you're a coward and frankly this game was hard enough without your arrogant ass in it.

[mastina]

I'm gonna take a break for 24 hours from this thread and see if I want to keep going or not

Okay.

Scratch the not alignment indicative thing I said earlier.

This IS indicative.

This is a scum "replace"-out.

This never comes from town.

Never.

[mastina]

anyway pine or eddie cane should compile all the roles because it's pretty terrible that OTM claims he gave the full list and left out a pretty crucial part lol

My list was everything pretty sure.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm gonna take a break for 24 hours from this thread and see if I want to keep going or not

Okay.

Scratch the not alignment indicative thing I said earlier.

This IS indicative.

This is a scum "replace"-out.

This never comes from town.

Never.

I've done this exact thing as town multiple times, I'm pretty sure. Are you saying this is a Maria specific thing, or a people in general thing?

Do I need to start enforcing the Mastin Mirror Reads Rule?

[MOMOMEN]

Honestly we can just mislynch me and be done with it

I kinda lack the desire to reread this because it means I have to reread a ton of toxicity when I barely am trying to avoid crying in a ball of tears at work

I'm gonna OOG this because I know its genuine

Spoiler:

math

despite what I may say about your play, such as "gamethrowing town or scum" here

thats purely about the game

we've talked in dead threads (and after ali's game), i know you're a good person who cares a lot and a good mod. I think your town game is shit and your scum game is definitely in the good-great range, and I had you blacklisted for a bit because your playstyle annoyed me a lot, and that didn't change the previous sentiment.

don't feel bad about anything said about you as a MAFIA PLAYER vs you as a person, though yes I will say its fair to be mad about the pronoun stuff because that's a personal thing I don't believe Yume realized how much she was offending you. I'm sorry if anything I've said angered you on a personal level.

[MOMOMEN]

I'm gonna take a break for 24 hours from this thread and see if I want to keep going or not

Okay.

Scratch the not alignment indicative thing I said earlier.

This IS indicative.

This is a scum "replace"-out.

This never comes from town.

Never.

Maria is a good lynch at this point, but I wouldn't go there. I've said similar as town.

[mastina]

does anyone have any rock solid meta reads in this playerlist?

*raises hand*

Not that you'll listen of course but.

I can tell you Kokichi's in his scum meta and MariaR is in her scum meta and that Wisdom was not only not in his town meta but playing to a scum agenda and that his replacement OnTheMark kept that same thing up and that while none of these are perfect they're >random% in odds of being right.

Also, this is Eddie Cane's towngame though I got the feeling you were more asking about scumreads.

These are the meta reads I'm most confident on; my other townreads are for other reasons.

[MOMOMEN]

COMPLETE AND TOTAL UNKNOWNS: MariaR, Kokichi Oma

MIGHT I POINT OUT.
THESE TWO HAVE BEEN TWO OF THE MOST CONSISTENT SCUMSPECTS IN THE ENTIRE GAME RIGHT BEHIND WISDOM/MATHBLADE.

AND YET IN SPITE OF THAT.

THEY ARE THE TWO PLAYERS WHO WE KNOW THE LEAST ABOUT.

WHAT.
THE.
FUCK.

Scum are almost always last to claim. Like, not literally, but there's definitely a big trend. It isn't a coincidence.

[Mathdino]

@LLD:
- i wrote an article describing the process of finding out exactly how average i actually am. i've claimed a single confident read on someone in this game (with a single somewhat less confident read). projected confidence in my tone is a purposeful strategy ingame just like raging at people is, i expect you to know that. but i'm almost always honest about what my confidence levels ACTUALLY are.

- i take potshots at people that i would be willing to take in return. people have given me shit for getting myself modkilled in that game all the same. it's not like i can seriously claim i did all that much better than you in that regard.

- i read the beginning far before i ever considered replacing into this shitshow of a game. since then, i forgot that maria was in this game. the playerlist as far as i was concerned replacing in was {MOMOMEN, LLD, mastina, Wisdom, Mathblade, Cheeky}. didn't remember anyone else, and i don't scan playerlists for people who don't like playing with me seeing as maria is the one person who's ever gone that route. i literally stated earlier that i also forgot not_mafia was in the game

[MOMOMEN]

momomen have you ISO'd lovebird yet

ISOing is busywork I don't have time for. I've given up trying to read them. If you're confident they're scum, your slot is almost IC level town, we can lynch there.

[MOMOMEN]

mathblade, now is the time to actually go and explain the mariaR read
if anyone in this game can confidently meta her then imma need that pretty soonish

without locking her out of the lynchpool, i'm thinkin
Lovebird --> MariaR --> Kokichi --> OTM --> Nahdia --> [REDACTED]

I am thinking Lovebird —> Nahdia is Lovebird is red

I agree with that if Lovebird is town though.

I don't agree with this assessment.

If lovebird AND Nahdia are scum, I don't think they stop playing the gambit TODAY before you get lynched Mark.

They just keep pretending.

That being said, it's possible Beeboy was scum and Nahdia didn't feel she could do the gambibt anymore since she doesn't know lovebird as well, so she abandoned it and now the pressure is on lovebird?

To be fair, Nahdia might not have known.

But, yes. I don't think they're both scum. Because I think Nahdia is town. This is independant of the claim.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@LLD:
- i wrote an article describing the process of finding out exactly how average i actually am. i've claimed a single confident read on someone in this game (with a single somewhat less confident read). projected confidence in my tone is a purposeful strategy ingame just like raging at people is, i expect you to know that. but i'm almost always honest about what my confidence levels ACTUALLY are.

- i take potshots at people that i would be willing to take in return. people have given me shit for getting myself modkilled in that game all the same. it's not like i can seriously claim i did all that much better than you in that regard.

- i read the beginning far before i ever considered replacing into this shitshow of a game. since then, i forgot that maria was in this game. the playerlist as far as i was concerned replacing in was {MOMOMEN, LLD, mastina, Wisdom, Mathblade, Cheeky}. didn't remember anyone else, and i don't scan playerlists for people who don't like playing with me seeing as maria is the one person who's ever gone that route. i literally stated earlier that i also forgot not_mafia was in the game

The difference is Not_Mafia replaced in for RedFlavour like.... 10 pages ago, so that one makes sense. You don't get to use that as an excuse.

[MOMOMEN]

That said, I felt Lovebird was scum early and people shut me down due to the mason claims, so I'll lynch that.

Even though I just want to lynch Mathdino so he can be the fuck out of this game.

I'm not going to lecture you because you're experienced, but you know we can't policy an IC level townie who's competent even if you find him extremely annoying.

[MOMOMEN]

(Also holy shit I didn't realize a game I modded was that long, totally forgot about that.)

easy peasy scum win squeazzy

[Mathdino]

not everything is a mafia game in real life

i can say "yeah i was reading this game because i was interested in seeing roleclaims" and also not really pay attention to the playerlists beyond following a select few players

i also forgot cheekyteeky was in the game until i saw her name pop up

shit just wasn't on my mind and you're acting like i purposefully joined in order to grief maria in particular

[MOMOMEN]

I link that not to say it's something we should strive for. But as a warning of what we're IN for. We've been through hell already but we've got a whole fucking lot more as far as hell is concerned.

Its almost like

we should have just hammered someone on page 70

I won't harp about this again

but in the future stop being so uptight about using time and omg we have weeks left lets ignore the game well get it later, ms

[MOMOMEN]

Also, this is Eddie Cane's towngame though I got the feeling you were more asking about scumreads.

Its so cute you think you can read me though. <3 mastin

[mastina]

And I have known Mastina to do just that yes.

Yeah except I've never once done this in my game history ever as either alignment so this is a flagrant outright lie.

I never claim without putting extensive thought into my claims. I plan shit out, I don't improvise on the spot.

[MOMOMEN]

Okay,

LLD and Mathdinkle

please save it for post game

this thread is cluttered as fuck as it is

[Mathdino]

Spoiler: on my replace-in

{MOMOMEN, LLD, mastina, Wisdom, Mathblade, Cheeky}

and yeah just to hammer this in imma explain exactly why i only knew these players

MOMOMEN: claimed a weird role early game
LLD: also claimed a weird role, had an interesting progression on MOMOMEN from a spectator's POV
Wisdom: replaced out, so i checked the last few pages
mastina: was the reason Wisdom replaced out.
Mathblade: was the person who ended up taking Wisdom's slot, and was the main topic when cheeky replaced out
Cheeky: didn't know she was in the game until she replaced out

i missed the mason claims because i was not legitimately following a 130 page game

Edit: you got it, spoilered the above