Turn of Camn ~FIN~

[BBmolla]

If it means anything I second Ari claiming first.

[camn]

Sorry, keyblade. I never even looked!

[camn]

If it means anything I second Ari claiming first.

Perfectly Alphabetical.

[BBmolla]

Alright cool let’s mass claim then, Ari you’re up

[Aristophanes]

Dealeo!

I'm an Even-Night Doctor!
I protected NSG, Ginngie, and NSG. That is why their death perplexes me!

I am assuming a strongman was used or something...

[Pine]

[BBmolla]

I’m a VT

[Pine]

Sounds plausible

[Keychain]

I'm an even night bus driver. I swapped North and DGB last night. I crumbed my night actions in the first post after daystart. Since North died, that makes DGB the target unless I got roleblocked. With Brian Skies's flip and Pine saying I was softing redirector, I'm fairly sure my action went through, though maybe he guessed.


Crumbs:

N2 swapped LLD and shos. I got worried when Mulch said he might have greenchecked shos when I swapped him, so quoted his post. I thought LLD was a good candidate for NK.

Since they know I'm a power role anyway

-If I'm a vig or vig variant, I tried to shoot implosion
-If I'm a cop or cop variant, I green checked Madoka
- If I'm a protective or protective variant, I protected Elli in the night
- If I'm a different type of role, I visited Shos in the night.

Night 2:

- If I'm a vig or vig variant- eh, you all know I'm not anyway
- If I'm a cop or cop variant, I green checked Shos
- If I'm a protective or protective variant, I protected Ginnigie
- If I'm a different type of role, I visited DrippingGoofball in the night

I see.

I'm interested in hearing from LLD and shos.

N4 no action (last part) - literally couldn't think of anything useful to do since I was worried about messing up investigative results.

shos any interesting role to claim?

Duh, I play so much better as scum
No interesting role here

I will target nsg tonight

Not sure how I feel about this.


On the other hand after Maria kill this is relevant

Don't see shos scum zz

Does scum!shos, very likely the next lynch, kill someone who defends him?


God I didn't get anything done last night I'll work on that today.

I tried to crumb N6 in advance, swapping North and LLD, but Katsuki vengekilled LLD so I subbed in DGB. I thought North was fairly likely to get killed

We have space to lynch the two of them without losing if they're both town making a fuss and Kats should probably go first, yes.

I'd like to hear from LLD and North before night, but also I'm not going to be hugely upset if someone hammers.

This following quote was me wondering if town would have two redirecting roles.

DGB would have been a great choice. Never getting nked due to Centipede reads, essentially vanilla, giant question mark.


Who's good at setup spec in this game? I may have a relevant claim but it could just make things worse, idk.

[Pine]

Oooooh, NICE fakeclaim.

[camn]

mastina

Mafia Godfather

Brian Skies

Mafia 2-shot roleblocker

Implosion

Mafia Goon.

MariaR

Vanilla Townie

Shos

Vanilla Townie

Ginngie

Vanilla Townie

Centipede Syndrome

Vanilla Townie

Madoka and Homura

Vanilla Townie.

Firebringer

Fruit Vending Arsonist

xRECKONERx

Nexus.

Katsuki

Vengeful Townie

Lady Lambdadelta

Odd-Night Redirector

Northsidegal

Miller

DrippingGoofball

- Claims Paranoid Cop

Aristophanes

- Claims Even-Night Doc

BBmolla

- Claims Vanilla

Keychain

- Claims Even-Night BusDriver

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So, setupspec wise..... I can dig the following:
Paranoid Cop and Godfather. Brilliant.
--with a miller? Ug. But there it is.
OddNight Redirector and EvenNight Busdriver.. also brilliant. Like a watcher/tracker combo.
--adding a Nexus is like whoa, tho.
--also side note: is Key's logic correct? Could scum-DGB kill herself?

Claims that are hard for me to dig:
Doctor.
BUT.. 2shot Roleblocker. Could the 4th scum just be strongman/ninja? Sure. That would be a typical Pine request.. and all the redirection brilliantly bypasses that power.

----Conclusions:
DGB is town on play, town on claim, town on Keyblade results despite keyblade's alignment. So hard town here for me.
Aristo has the old---would Pine pick him? going for him.. plus do you really fakeclaim Doc with targets that died? It is hard to believe.. but WIFOM. I am soft town here.
Keyblade--the claim matches. Could she be SCUM busdriver? YES. That would be b-r-i-l-l-i-a-n-t. . but the claim. Does one gambit like this? Maybe. I need to think on it.
BBmolla- VT is scums safeclaim generally. Probably this is the scumslot. But I need thoughts.

GOOF

!
Lets solve this game now.
You are conftown in MYLO.
You have to find 1 scum out of 3.

go.

[BBmolla]

camn

why do I soft claim all sorts of shit and pussy out when claiming in mylo

I claimed miller day 1 in a large theme for fun and made an elaborate fucking claim and have done so in many other games.

If I'm last scum here I'm going balls to the fucking walls and claiming something awsome. Winning or Losing on a VT claim would be fucking boring and is not my style.

Meta aside, why the fuck would there be two even night protective roles and one odd night protective role? Two of them are redirectors and one them is... a doctor, whose protections has failed, and who didn't react in the slightest when his first protected target was killed.

Like, Ari has been posting a fuckton of IIOA and has been coasting on this bullshit of "pine wouldn't pick him" which is stupid anyways because Pine would pick him specifically cause you fucks would say that shit

ALSO, what benefit is there in hard bussing mastin d1? mastin, who on the theoretical scumteam of me, implo, mastin, and mathdino, is certainly going to live longer than me. What sense does it make for me to bus and not have mastin bus back? In that team I would 100% be the weakest player.

Also, can we talk about setup spec, and how fucking awkward a theoretical strongman (which from Ari's perspective has to exist) would be very strange interacting with a bus driver and/or redirector?

And are we now theorizing that it's not an x-shot strongman, because what seriously are the odds that the two kills Ari protects are strongman'd.

The outlier in this setup is Ari's claim. It makes no sense. Remove it and add a mafia goon and the setup makes total sense balancewise. I'd also like to point out that town has a fuck ton of power if you seriously believe both roles are real. A 2-shot roleblocker and strongman vs. Town Vig, Town Vengeful, Town Odd-night redirector, Town Even-night bus driver, + Town Even-night Doctor? In what fucking world does anyone believe that to be remotely balanced? Also, not to mention the cop who succeeds on one scum just to add that into the mix.

I am not scum. I haven't been from day 1. I've been the one trying to get this shit on track but people got lazy and started lynching random people. WE'VE BEEN DEFEATED OURSELVES HERE AND ALL ARI HAD TO DO WAS SAY "omg what is happening xd." Like holy fuck

"Why not consider Keychain is maybe the scum?" Because Odd-night redirector + Even-night bus driver is BEAUTIFUL symmetry and Keychain's play has been town enough today and because Ari HAS NOT DONE ANYTHING REMOTELY TOWN THIS WHOLE FUCKING GAME

I am honestly baffled how you came to the conclusion I am the scum in this mix and I will yell and scream until you realize I am not. Good night.

[BBmolla]

May I please also point out that Keychain, who replaced in partway through this game nearly has more posts than Ari who has been here since the start?

We were missing the lurking scum player. He just claimed a nice bullshit role that Pine probably helped him with.

Ask me shit, good night for real.

[Aristophanes]

Okay, so Molla it is then! Thanks for making it easy!

The amount of shit being flung in that post!

So let's look at this. I have not once claimed that Pine would never pick me. I did not use that a sinvle time I can remember! As scum, especially last scum, I would be doubling down on that SO hard to solidify my spot as town! Whenever I have gotten anything to latch onto as scum to make me look town I have always gone all in on it!

My activity is meh, but I have legitimate reasons including the fact that it is almost always Night in this game! Like, when I do get a chance to post I am not actually able to! It's a sad irony.

As for NKs, I don't think a strongman is necessitated anymore by simple mechanics. Ginngie would have had no protection N5 when they died, and NSG was busdriven so my protection wasn't there!

And why in gods name would I kill Ginngie, ever!? She was one of the few who had me in the "never lynch" pile when Elli had me as a maybe! I would have to be an idiot to kill her! Seriously!

Keychain could be scum bus driver, we all agree on that. Bur the logistics really don't work else either NSG should be alive or they shot DGB and redirected their own kill for whatever reason they would do that (if scum can even sumbit an action and kill at the same time).

[Pine]

[DrippingGoofball]

Dealeo!

I'm an Even-Night Doctor!
I protected NSG, Ginngie, and NSG. That is why their death perplexes me!

I am assuming a strongman was used or something...

I believe this, Aristo is town.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm dubious on the bus driver claim. Why would the scum try to NK me, LOL? That makes no sense. But the claim is too storied and detailed, there is a certain amount of confidence in it that scum would be hard pressed to fake convincingly.

[DrippingGoofball]

So clearly the last scum is BBmolla. Aristophanes' #2613 articulates perfectly BBmolla's scum confession in #2612.

Easy as pie!

[DrippingGoofball]

Oh and I just read #2611. Huge scumfession. "If I'm last scum here" what townie says that? He's also attacking everyone and everything. He's doing the opposite of POE. Suddenly, everything but him could be scum!

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm ready to vote.

[Pine]

Nah, go to NL.

It's the safest.

[Aristophanes]

Nah, go to NL.

It's the safest.

And give you more time to scheme??

Ya right!

[camn]

Ask me shit, good night for real.

Ok- question:
Are you really arguing that you can't be scum cuz your claim would be FANTASTIC.. but Aristo CAN, with a doc claim and failed protections?
How do you reconcile this? And don't give me: 'Aristo isn't awesome'.. cuz a) Aristo IS, and b) Pine could help him with a claim duh.

I think a VT claim is a conservative scumclaim, yes....but that rings more true than a botched fake docclaim.
But- convince me. And DGB.


Also Aristo- You say you would never kill Ginngie- wasn't she a redirected kill? Don't play dumb- you knew that.

[Pine]

Since they know I'm a power role anyway

-If I'm a vig or vig variant, I tried to shoot implosion
-If I'm a cop or cop variant, I green checked Madoka
- If I'm a protective or protective variant, I protected Elli in the night
- If I'm a different type of role, I visited Shos in the night.

this guy dead yet? ^_^;


pedit:
because ffs I need to understand what the hell happened and what conclusions I can get from previous posts of people obviously
and I don't get it

did he just go "oh yeah lets kill these three" and town virtually all cooperated and everyone of those turned up scum? because this is how it seems from the game I'm reading and I'm sort of in shock



are there FACTS that we know of? cop results? rolecops? mod confimarions?? Has anyone alive already claimed?

Yeah, I've claimed Odd Night Redirector, and I targetted Maria and redirected her to you last night.

You're still alive (sadly) which means she cannot be scum, since there is only one scum left and they have to perform the night kill... so

Nnnnnnnope

[Aristophanes]

Also Aristo- You say you would never kill Ginngie- wasn't she a redirected kill? Don't play dumb- you knew that.

Didn't LLD redirect Kats onto Ginngie?

Since Kats couldn't have killed that night, Ginngie was probably a direct kill.