Partition Mafia Scum Topic

[zMuffinMan]

moving fitz to another group might work
i think i still like the original group idea i had too

[zMuffinMan]

if so many people didnt think fitz was scum, itd be fine...

hmm

[zMuffinMan]

im just worried people ignore the guilty again and lynch the group with fitz in it...

[zMuffinMan]

pretty much got to gamble on eddie's swap benefiting us lol

[zMuffinMan]

let's see

who's suspicious of who?

we have...

DV thinks fitz is scum and POE will probably lead him to two of { me, kokichi, realman } unless he changes his mind about wisdom but i dunno if that's a safe assumption so he's a decent kill

eddie when last he gave reads thought wisdom/buj were more likely scum than kok and said i'm town but that may have changed by now, it's hard to tell - i'm not sure where he stood on fitz but i think he thought fitz was most likely to be scum out of G1

NSG hasn't been in the game for like 40 pages so she's an enigma - i think it's a safe assumption that she thought kok was most likely town in G2 though and was wary of buj given her "be sure of buj before going through with the plan" comment

wisdom obv will prob still think im scum tomorrow and prob still think fitz was scum from G1. he might be suspicious of eddie too. not sure where he'll land on buj+kok but i guess it's safe to say he'll also be suspicious of kok too... ironically, he probably has the best reads in the game apart from DV D1 but it's based on an entirely faulty assumption about where scum was in his group rofl. not too worried about where he'll land tomorrow, his credibility will have been shot after D1

realman probably will still fall in line with wisdom but that one is hard to predict

buj i dunno - i think he's more likely to think kok is scum than wisdom... but outside of that, anyone's guess. he called me town at the end of D1 though! that's promising!

[zMuffinMan]

i suppose the game is going to be decided on two factors:
- eddie's current reads, since his role is going to be a major factor in how the day ends up playing out
- whether buj and NSG still believe wisdom is scum and whether i can undermine that belief if it still exists (i'm probably going to rail pretty hard against wisdom tomorrow fyi)

hmm... i think i can maybe talk buj down but i just have zero experience with NSG so im not sure how that will pan out

[zMuffinMan]

i was thinking it would be funny to kill eddie and do a lolgroup of kokichi+wisdom+buj+realman

or kokichi+wisdom+buj+me

l o l

probably too risky

[zMuffinMan]

or it might work?

e.g. kill eddie, G1: kokichi, wisdom, buj, realman G2: me NSG G3: DV fitz

rofl

[zMuffinMan]

nah might be too obvious bait...

anywho, i guess my final suggestion would be either my initial suggestion
(kill DV, G1: wisdom NSG, G2: me kokichi eddie, G3: fitz realman buj) <- gambling on how eddie decides to use his role (though so is anything that doesn't involve killing eddie)

or possibly just the one that's currently submitted with maybe some tweaks maybe?

see what fitz wants i guess

i'm easy and i'll go with whatever you guys feel most comfortable with i guess

[zMuffinMan]

i'm gonna sleep in the next couple hours and i probably wont be around before the deadline after i fall asleep (deadline is 4am my time)

so

go with whatever you guys feel comfortable with, as long as you've weighed up the pros and cons

i'll roll with the punches and make whatever needs to work work

[zMuffinMan]

urgh, im just worried with the current submission that it'll be too obvious to anyone paying attention that fitz+wisdom in a group together is a setup

whatever

you two decide but just know that IF i see bussing as the optimal route tomorrow, i'll do it

though it would be nice to win D2 if possible

[Kokichi Oma]

@mod this is the placeholder

wis+fitz+nsg
kokichi+eddie+realman
Muffin+buj

I think actually we could switch NSG and realman. Because going into Day 3 nsg's tr on me could be good. Also if I get lynched today, then I think buj and wisdom vote you.

[Kokichi Oma]

So do you wanna switch NSG and realman?

[havingfitz]

Crap...when is deadline today?

[havingfitz]

What are we thinking wrt distros?

I think Eddie should go because we tend to think he might be a PR. Plus he said elsewhere on site that he is site flaking so we might be in line for another player w know even less about's intentions. If Eddie IS a pr it does us no good to try and guess what he might do when we don't know wth his potential pr might be in the first place. Better to eliminate the unknown IMO. Plus...a DV nk would point square at me....even if his reason for suspecting me is shit.

[zMuffinMan]

woke up... going back to sleep soon but... don't put wisdom and realman in the same group preferably - it'll breed paranoia about them splitting themselves up i think

i don't think eddie is guaranteed to site-flake - though i do know he said he's taking a break from mafia for a few days so something probably happened to him - not sure we should play around the possibility of him getting replaced or not. hmm

deadline is in about 3 hours

night

[zMuffinMan]

decide among the two of you what you wanna do anyway. night

[havingfitz]

Why are we afraid to go for the win today? A 1-1-1 guarantees we do not win today. A 2-1-0 fives us a chance...which w control based on how we set up the groups.

[havingfitz]

THoughts on 2-1-0 vs 1-1-1?

goodnight.

[zMuffinMan]

1-1-1 is fine because leaving eddie alive almost guarantees he swaps someone and if he stays in the game he's likely to do a beneficial swap. 2-1-0 i guess is also fine but requires something like the initial group i suggested...

leaving DV alive is probably not a good idea; you die in every scenario DV is alive, so may as well make it 1-1-1 if you aren't killing eddie btw

anyway actually night for real this time

[zMuffinMan]

one last thing while i lay awake in bed and stare at my screen

DV will not move his vote off you tomorrow if you leave him alive so if you want to kill eddie youre either gonna need a 1-1-1 split... otherwise itll pretty much lose us the game i think...

[zMuffinMan]

anyway read #329 for a summary of where town's reads are...

also dont be so averse to the idea of bussing if need be - it's less than desirable but in some cases it's the best choice (eg if youre gonna leave DV alive please realise how that will play out for you)

[havingfitz]

What swap possibility remains that Eddie coooould have?

[havingfitz]

If we compromise and do the DV kill for the 2-1-0 split...what groups would be palatable?

[Kokichi Oma]

Not sure, that's the issue. I think DV needs to go though.