SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

[Taly]

Like, what's the difference between the two?

[Espeonage]

Vote: Fire

I find it super hard to believe that..
1. Shenanigans
and
2. I required a investigative to be in danger of artificially dying in voting phase.

[Dunnstral]

It's a role madness game, don't be afraid to lynch bogus claims. I don't believe the straight cop claim

[Dunnstral]

Why is Vax town to you, Maria?

I invested him.

wee woo wee woo

[Taly]

Votecount 2.2

Fire Assassin

(4): PenguinPower, Dunnstral, the worst, Taly

Espeonage

(2): DeasVail, Fire Assassin

MariaR

(1): Shoshin

Not Voting

(8): TehBrawlGuy, Punreader, MariaR/Chara, Espeonage, Nahdia, Srceenplay, Vaxkiller

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to achieve a majority.
Deadline in (expired on 2018-07-04 23:06:00)

This is the wagon state when he claims the guilty. Espeonage isn't voting him but it's clear that he will, that's 5/8 to lynch. Fire was going to be the lynch for role related reasons at this point. I think he's fake claiming

Uh, yeah, I don't know about that.

Fire

said at the beginning of D2 he was waiting for EVERYONE to post before stating his results.

I have results from previous night, but i won't post till everyones checked in.

So yeah, I don't think he was waiting for being a wagon to do claim, and even if he did, I don't know how that necessarily constitutes a fakeclaim.

[Espeonage]

Ok because I am town.

But if shenanigans happened with an investigative he could theoretically not be fake claiming.

He was scum from the start anyway though.

[Espeonage]

Taly, it was take a bit of an idiot to not know it was going to be one of the group of 4 today.

And with Dunn being conf town that takes the pool down.

And with Vax being a non event that makes it Fire or me.

[Espeonage]

Contextually faking a guilty actually makes sense.

He claims bullshit shenanigans day 3, or completely backs down from the claim. And then goes well oops it must be vax.

[Taly]

Vote: Fire

I find it super hard to believe that..
1. Shenanigans
and
2. I required a investigative to be in danger of artificially dying in voting phase.

1)

Shenanigans, what are you talking about?

2)

Umm... what's odd about

Fire

investigating his scumread?

Taly, it was take a bit of an idiot to not know it was going to be one of the group of 4 today.

And with Dunn being conf town that takes the pool down.

And with Vax being a non event that makes it Fire or me.

So you're saying

Fire

is lying and deliberately trying to get you lynched because

"haha, yay!"

?

We aren't changing our rankings, so if things are set in stone, I don't know why there would be any pushback to someone's ranking claim that would negate theirs.

[Taly]

Taly, it was take a bit of an idiot to not know it was going to be one of the group of 4 today.

And with Dunn being conf town that takes the pool down.

And with Vax being a non event that makes it Fire or me.

Why did you think I rated all of you low?

[DeasVail]

Espe if you are town I will under 95% of circumstances lynch Fire day 3.

[Espeonage]

Vote: Fire

I find it super hard to believe that..
1. Shenanigans
and
2. I required a investigative to be in danger of artificially dying in voting phase.

1)

Shenanigans, what are you talking about?

2)

Umm... what's odd about

Fire

investigating his scumread?

Taly, it was take a bit of an idiot to not know it was going to be one of the group of 4 today.

And with Dunn being conf town that takes the pool down.

And with Vax being a non event that makes it Fire or me.

So you're saying

Fire

is lying and deliberately trying to get you lynched because

"haha, yay!"

?

We aren't changing our rankings, so if things are set in stone, I don't know why there would be any pushback to someone's ranking claim that would negate theirs.

Taly.

In what world does a role like me and Dunn fuck with a hard investigative role? Come on man, look at context of all the claims.

Also why were people waiting for me to claim. I full claimed day 1.

Yes I am saying Fire is lying to get me lynched.

[DeasVail]

Honestly I also doubt that Fire would have been the lynch without the cop guilty but that’s speculation I guess

[Espeonage]

Espe if you are town I will under 95% of circumstances lynch Fire day 3.

Ok. But I really don't think it is drilled in enough with the town that Dunn can't be scum. And I don't want bullshit side event stuff like the people pushing penguin for no reason.

This is how Thor almost won jungle republic a few months ago.

[Espeonage]

Honestly I also doubt that Fire would have been the lynch without the cop guilty but that’s speculation I guess

He mechanically makes sense as scum. So yes he would have been. It was always him or me today. Which is why this makes perfect sense as a fake.

[Dunnstral]

I'm pretty sure vax is just town with maria's investigative combined with setup spec on my role and there being 1 scum in fire/espeonage

[Espeonage]

Wait there are two claimed hard investigatives?

lol.

[DeasVail]

Espe if you are town I will under 95% of circumstances lynch Fire day 3.

Ok. But I really don't think it is drilled in enough with the town that Dunn can't be scum. And I don't want bullshit side event stuff like the people pushing penguin for no reason.

This is how Thor almost won jungle republic a few months ago.

What does Dunn’s alignment have to do with this though?

If Fire is claiming a cop guilty on you, with no condition attached, then the implication is that he will be lynched if you are town. Fire should know this.

I am not completely closed to the possibility that you are both town but that would require weird mechanic stuff that is externally confirmed and really I doubt it.

PEdit: I don’t really want to speculate more about Maria’s claim at this stage. I want to lynch Espe

[Taly]

Hi, this is a thing.

For my role, I need Fire Assassin to be rated highly today

And I am the antithesis, I need him to do poorly.

But that's cool bc he scum.

So if your role/claim is solely ranking based, what's the scum-motivation behind

Fire

wanting to lynch you post-ranking?

Because if he's lying scum, he's asking to die D3. Because if his role mirrors yours based off presented info., he's essentially vanilla scum.

If he's town faking or lying, then he's debatably gamethrowing and I'd be very, very frustrated because I've seen town do this stupid stuff like this before, and this would probably end in his mislynch.

If he's town being truthful, then scum is lynched.

[Espeonage]

Espe if you are town I will under 95% of circumstances lynch Fire day 3.

Ok. But I really don't think it is drilled in enough with the town that Dunn can't be scum. And I don't want bullshit side event stuff like the people pushing penguin for no reason.

This is how Thor almost won jungle republic a few months ago.

What does Dunn’s alignment have to do with this though?

If Fire is claiming a cop guilty on you, with no condition attached, then the implication is that he will be lynched if you are town. Fire should know this.

I am not completely closed to the possibility that you are both town but that would require weird mechanic stuff that is externally confirmed and really I doubt it.

PEdit: I don’t really want to speculate more about Maria’s claim at this stage. I want to lynch Espe

Because it precludes my line that it was me or fire today anyway and it was looking more like him.

Which is why he can make what would otherwise be a very stupid early guilty.

Nah, he's scum. He has to be. Why would someone fake an innocent?

[Espeonage]

Hi, this is a thing.

For my role, I need Fire Assassin to be rated highly today

And I am the antithesis, I need him to do poorly.

But that's cool bc he scum.

So if your role/claim is solely ranking based, what's the scum-motivation behind

Fire

wanting to lynch you post-ranking?

Because if he's lying scum, he's asking to die D3. Because if his role mirrors yours based off presented info., he's essentially vanilla scum.

If he's town faking or lying, then he's debatably gamethrowing and I'd be very, very frustrated because I've seen town do this stupid stuff like this before, and this would probably end in his mislynch.

If he's town being truthful, then scum is lynched.

I have now explained this twice to DV.

But because there are now apparently two confirmed town in the grouping of 4 mechanically. Which means one of me and fire basically has to be scum, and he was going down anyway. So he delays his inevitable lynch.

And there are so many reasons why scum would want an extra night in a role madness game if they are dying anyway.

[Dunnstral]

Because if he's lying scum, he's asking to die D3.

He was mechanically going to be the lynch today

[Taly]

I missed something

How is

Dunn

conftown?

[Errantparabola]

Votecount 2.5

Espeonage

(6): DeasVail, Fire Assassin, the worst, Taly, PenguinPower, Shoshin

Fire Assassin

(2): Dunnstral, Espeonage

Not Voting

(7): Punreader, MariaR/Chara, Nahdia, Srceenplay, Vaxkiller, TehBrawlGuy

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to achieve a majority.
Deadline in (expired on 2018-07-04 23:06:00)

[Shoshin]

UNVOTE: Espeonage