Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[the worst]

are those Q's directed at me?

[Irrelephant11]

Yes

We’ll talk about Keyser soon

[Irrelephant11]

Man y’all are gonna have such misconceptions about how talkative I am

I only have mobile access on weekends

Get ready for Monday

[Gamma Emerald]

Sup Gamma, nice to finally play with you. how've you been?

Didn’t we play in Mafia Month? Anyway I’m doing well

[Bernie Sanders]

Mr. Söze pinged me during catchup I'll calibrate my reads a bit better then see if I feel like lobbying for his lynch

what is the strength of your read roughly, like 0% being null and 100% being cop cleared

haven't really looked into him (or most people) as of yet tbh but he's been working along what I like to see for now
you catch up and I hear NSG more invis more skitter and maybe even some gamma and I'll do a second pass on people who seem okay-for-now if nothing terribly intriguing comes up

[the worst]

hi the worst I think we played spyfall one time

Hi irrelephant we sure did

Why is Skitter scum

I have the faintest whisper of a townlean on skitter atm

What is Nauci

null

Who don’t you want lynched today?

great question

You, Bernie and Math. there's others who I think are mechanically a pretty bad lynch d1 if that's what you're asking?



pedit: @Gamma good point. though I died shortly after you replaced in

[the worst]

Mr. Söze pinged me during catchup I'll calibrate my reads a bit better then see if I feel like lobbying for his lynch

what is the strength of your read roughly, like 0% being null and 100% being cop cleared

haven't really looked into him (or most people) as of yet tbh but he's been working along what I like to see for now
you catch up and I hear NSG more invis more skitter and maybe even some gamma and I'll do a second pass on people who seem okay-for-now if nothing terribly intriguing comes up

okay fair take. I'm still voteparking this until someone irks me more

[Bernie Sanders]

out of curiosity can you remember what pinged you?

[Irrelephant11]

Bernie I appreciate you wanting lurkers to not lurk but I find it hard to believe you think everyone who’s posted regularly reads town

Like just the plausibility that the scumteam is all lurkers atm is <1%

[Bernie Sanders]

nauci who would you look at if you ignored gamma for a second?
he can take some time to warm up tbh

[Shoshin]

Hey Irrelephant, why town on Bernie?

[Bernie Sanders]

Bernie I appreciate you wanting lurkers to not lurk but I find it hard to believe you think everyone who’s posted regularly reads town

Like just the plausibility that the scumteam is all lurkers atm is <1%

ehhh I wouldn't go that far some people are definitely better than others atm and this is pretty good all things considered for this early
I should make a thread sometime with my main on my philosophy wrt earlygame approach though

[Shoshin]

Bernie, what's your main?

[Bernie Sanders]

someone else can probably tell you it ruins the fun if I self out

[Irrelephant11]

Thanks tw now tell me more about Keyser, what pinged you?

@shoshin i forget let me iso him real quick

[Irrelephant11]

I think 176 was my fav?

Not super confident in any reads yet though like I said

[Bernie Sanders]

@Irrelephant
in the most general sense I'm more interested in {invis, TW, skitter, NSG, nauci and momr} than the rest here, though that's putting GE and math both completely aside for a bit (not that they aren't okay but)
I had floated joining skitter or nauci though as-is they're already kind of obligated to respond to the pressure on them and I'd rather wait and see a bit with that and the next round than half-hearted (and skitter seems just gone via vla anyways)

re: content focus it's true multiple scum lurkers are unlikely but I find clearing up those slots helps me anyways even if town; I generally operate in reverse with "who do I have the least reasons to think is town this game" and so it rounding out the list does help me a lot (in similar vein it suffers more in situations and playerlists where that can't be done). Hard scum motivation is easier with flips and associations otoh though re d2.

[Shoshin]

I think 176 was my fav?

What'd you like about that? There's a lot of nothingness in his posts but I'm open to sheeping you if you're seeing something I'm not. I'd really like to meta him at some point because I'm worried he's one of those players who knows how to sound pretty town without actually saying or doing anything meaningful.

[Bernie Sanders]

as a side note I also think d1 is the "play not-to-lose" Day where as long as you don't do something very stupid like run up everyones claims, do get a ton of commitment/stances down from everyone on everything, and lynch a mixture of the scummiest of the low/moderate-value/ lowest value of the scummiest you have a decent start and are well set up

[Shoshin]

I like to lynch scum on D1 and anything less feels like a failure to me.

Bernie's tough to read. Lots of nothingness but there's a hint of town in the way he helped me pressure Stun but then switched onto Invis because he couldn't maintain the farce. Even if Bernie's really strong as scum, I'm not sure he'd express that sentiment while switching his vote onto obvious lynchbait. So probably not lynching Bernie today.

I'm varying degrees of town on Math, Invis, Key, Mom, and Irrelephant. Stun's a weaker read but for the moment happy to put aside. So I'm thinking we need to sort out Gamma, NSG, Skitter, Nauci, and the worst.

[Bernie Sanders]

Even if you don't like the way Invis posts, 158, 168, and 169 should clear him. I highly doubt he'd make either of these as scum.

why exactly for the record?
I'm only saying this because it reminds me of when I townread lovebird one time for somewhat comparable townread/paranoia/elsewhere progression (except it was harder; my thought was why bother faking that strange progression?)

[Shoshin]

as a side note I also think d1 is the "play not-to-lose" Day where as long as you don't do something very stupid like run up everyones claims, do get a ton of commitment/stances down from everyone on everything, and lynch a mixture of the scummiest of the low/moderate-value/ lowest value of the scummiest you have a decent start and are well set up

Funny, I was thinking maybe we should get everyone's claim today to give the scum a fighting chance.

[Bernie Sanders]

I have seen some shit, man.

[Shoshin]

Even if you don't like the way Invis posts, 158, 168, and 169 should clear him. I highly doubt he'd make either of these as scum.

why exactly for the record?
I'm only saying this because it reminds me of when I townread lovebird one time for somewhat comparable townread/paranoia/elsewhere progression (except it was harder; my thought was why bother faking that strange progression?)

Yes, that's part of it. Also:

158 shows a very clear and natural thought process for town to have - "oh, Sho is town but I disagree with her because it looks like it's more of a misunderstanding" - but it's also a thought process that's pretty foreign to scum and not easy to fake. Scum usually express agreement with someone when townreading them, or disagreement when scumreading. But disagreement coupled with townreading in a situation where that's a perfectly natural thought process is pretty difficult to fake.

168 shows some natural second-guessing that town tend to have in these types of situations.

169 reflects some of the thoughts I was having about Gemini at the time and that I'm sure a lot of town would have when figuring out who to vote. I think scum would have jumped onto someone that was already being voted at this point instead of pursuing something new.

[the worst]

I'm back whaddup

initial ping was his treatment of Shoshin thru rvs/early game. also got the feeling he's avoiding town hunting and leaving avenues open for later. haven't really seen anything in there that screams town to me so far.