Gerrymandering Shadow Government Democracy Mafia Endgame

Aronis · Post Post #1050 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:26 am

Nooooo hebichan is like confirmed town now. Not scum

Aronis · Post Post #1051 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:26 am

Why would the mafia take away their own double vote? It makes no sense, especially this early in the game. Hebichan might as well be an IC now

mutantdevle · Post Post #1052 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:27 am

In post 1048, Not Known 15 wrote:The Better Voting Party will, if you vote for it, lynch hebichan, who is confirmed scum according to our rules.
Mutant... You are assuming that only mafia has the power to hold people accountable for voter fraud.
The rules do not say that.

You are assuming I am making that assumption.

I asked the mod a question and then I asked Hebichan a question. At no point have I declared death upon Hebichan here.

Not Known 15 · Post Post #1053 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:28 am

In post 1049, mutantdevle wrote:Also the mafia killed the slot with 4 posts.

Or they tried to kill the worst and the bodyguard did their job.

The mod was probably pissed with that choice considering they delayed the game to find that replacement

In post 1050, Aronis wrote:Nooooo hebichan is like confirmed town now. Not scum

Do I need to say it again?

Nowhere in the rules you will find... something that says that ONLY mafia have the power to punish electoral fraud.

Not Known 15 · Post Post #1054 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:29 am

In post 1052, mutantdevle wrote:At no point have I declared death upon Hebichan here.

That am I aware of.
It was a general statement -

I

have declared death upon Hebichan.

mutantdevle · Post Post #1055 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:30 am

In post 1051, Aronis wrote:Why would the mafia take away their own double vote? It makes no sense, especially this early in the game. Hebichan might as well be an IC now

They would have done it for this exact situation we are in. The WIFOM of does this mean Hebichan is scum or Hebichan is town?

Personally, I don't think we should be giving him a pass here. I think we should be pressuring him to the point of making him cry.

mutantdevle · Post Post #1056 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:30 am

In post 1053, Not Known 15 wrote:Or they tried to kill the worst and the bodyguard did their job.

That's a good call actually. If we can figure out which it is then we could potentially be confirming the worst as town here.

Not Known 15 · Post Post #1057 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:33 am

In post 1055, mutantdevle wrote:They would have done it for this exact situation we are in. The WIFOM of does this mean Hebichan is scum or Hebichan is town?

Well, this reasoning assumes, again, that it was Mafia who shamed Hebichan. Yes, mafia is able to punish electoral fraud. But that what you say relies on the assumption that no one else is able to punish electoral fraud.

Ausuka · Post Post #1058 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:33 am

Yeah tw is town

mutantdevle · Post Post #1059 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:34 am

hmm, I actually think it's far more likely that the BG did their job rather than that they were directly targetted.

I'm glad I can finally town read Mr Presiducky.

Aronis · Post Post #1060 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:38 am

Announce Candidacy: Bull Moose Party

I'm running on
A. Not killing hebichan or the worst
B. An efficient government (we'll decide a lynch in 72 hours or less)
C. Killing Mafia

mutantdevle · Post Post #1061 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:41 am

In post 1057, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 1055, mutantdevle wrote:They would have done it for this exact situation we are in. The WIFOM of does this mean Hebichan is scum or Hebichan is town?
Well, this reasoning assumes, again, that it was Mafia who shamed Hebichan. Yes, mafia is able to punish electoral fraud. But that what you say relies on the assumption that no one else is able to punish electoral fraud.

I'm not saying this did happen, I'm saying that if mafia did it then this is why they did it. Hence "they

would have

done"

I do believe there is probably a town PR that functions in this way. Someone with this town PR would check within Hebichan, Taz and myloninja.

If someone does have this town PR and they targetted either Taz or myloninja, I'd strongly ask them to check the other tonight and tell us the result tomorrow. Even with Hebichan's vote we still have 1 unaccounted for vote if we assume Edosurist really didn't vote at all like he claimed. Now, either 1 of Taz or myloninja double voted or Edosurist actually voted. This plan gives us the solution to that.

Not Known 15 · Post Post #1062 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:43 am

In post 1060, Aronis wrote:
Announce Candidacy: Bull Moose Party

I'm running on
A. Not killing hebichan or the worst
B. An efficient government (we'll decide a lynch in 72 hours or less)
C. Killing Mafia

well that is directly in competition with my goal today(to lynch hebichan)
and your reluctance to lynch hebichan is troubling.

mutantdevle · Post Post #1063 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:46 am

Mafia clearly wants Ruby Red elected, just saying.

Their vote has the single most power given they are in 2 districts of 3 players. On the other hand, the rest of us who had parties on day 1 are all in the same district.

@Ruby Red, any reason why you think scum would want you elected?

ofrhz · Post Post #1064 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:55 am

Nk15 for president

Also this means Tazaro likely voted twice too? Although I suppose there is a small possibility that edos lied about not going but I think his green flip makes this unlikely

Not Known 15 · Post Post #1065 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:58 am

In post 1064, ofrhz wrote:Nk15 for president

Also this means Tazaro likely voted twice too? Although I suppose there is a small possibility that edos lied about not going but I think his green flip makes this unlikely

What about Ruby Red?

123456789 · Post Post #1066 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:59 am

In post 1043, jjh927 wrote:Hebichan has been convicted of the grievous offence of electoral fraud, and must now pay the price for her crime and may no longer stand as a candidate in an election

Pretty sure this slot is confirmed scum now.

123456789 · Post Post #1067 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:00 am

In post 1045, mutantdevle wrote:
In post 1, jjh927 wrote:-Electoral Commission: The mafia may designate a member to target someone, and if they have committed voter fraud in either of the two most recent elections, they will be publicly shamed and be unable to stand as a candidate in any future elections. Any votes for shamed players will not be counted. If a player is convicted of voter fraud a second time (for voter fraud committed after the first time they were convicted) they will permanently lose the ability to vote.

@mod
, can mafia target themselves with this ability?

Also, correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't Edo!town mean Edosurist was telling the truth about not voting and hence we actually have 2 unaccounted for votes in that group?

Hmm... I think so....

(Also, Hebi is like conf!scum.)

123456789 · Post Post #1068 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:01 am

In post 1048, Not Known 15 wrote:The Better Voting Party will, if you vote for it, lynch hebichan, who is confirmed scum according to our rules.
Mutant... You are assuming that only mafia has the power to hold people accountable for voter fraud.
The rules do not say that.

What makes you assume otherwise?

123456789 · Post Post #1069 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:01 am

In post 1050, Aronis wrote:Nooooo hebichan is like confirmed town now. Not scum

Wrong, like completely wrong.

ofrhz · Post Post #1070 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:02 am

In post 1065, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 1064, ofrhz wrote:Nk15 for president

Also this means Tazaro likely voted twice too? Although I suppose there is a small possibility that edos lied about not going but I think his green flip makes this unlikely
What about Ruby Red?

Ruby red was in two districts and the other district didn’t have any double votes so I don’t think it was her

Voting aside, her alt personality is making it hard for me to get a solid read on her

123456789 · Post Post #1071 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:02 am

In post 1053, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 1049, mutantdevle wrote:Also the mafia killed the slot with 4 posts.

Or they tried to kill the worst and the bodyguard did their job.

The mod was probably pissed with that choice considering they delayed the game to find that replacement

In post 1050, Aronis wrote:Nooooo hebichan is like confirmed town now. Not scum
Do I need to say it again?
Nowhere in the rules you will find... something that says that ONLY mafia have the power to punish electoral fraud.

Okay, so I guess the Worst is town in that case?

123456789 · Post Post #1072 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:05 am

In post 1061, mutantdevle wrote:I do believe there is probably a town PR that functions in this way. Someone with this town PR would check within Hebichan, Taz and myloninja.

Why would a town role target Hebichan for voting fraud? Why wouldn't they target Tazaro who honestly had a better chance of double-voting?

Also, I was asked a survey during the night, and I think everyone else was too.... Anyone have any idea what that was about?

123456789 · Post Post #1073 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:06 am

In post 1070, ofrhz wrote:
In post 1065, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 1064, ofrhz wrote:Nk15 for president

Also this means Tazaro likely voted twice too? Although I suppose there is a small possibility that edos lied about not going but I think his green flip makes this unlikely
What about Ruby Red?
Ruby red was in two districts and the other district didn’t have any double votes so I don’t think it was her

Voting aside, her alt personality is making it hard for me to get a solid read on her

@Ruby Red

: To clarify, you must vote for the same person in both districts, right?

Not Known 15 · Post Post #1074 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:10 am

In post 1070, ofrhz wrote:
In post 1065, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 1064, ofrhz wrote:Nk15 for president

Also this means Tazaro likely voted twice too? Although I suppose there is a small possibility that edos lied about not going but I think his green flip makes this unlikely
What about Ruby Red?
Ruby red was in two districts and the other district didn’t have any double votes so I don’t think it was her

Voting aside, her alt personality is making it hard for me to get a solid read on her

The other district had 3 voters...
doublevoting there would have been likely spotted accurately.
This reason is bad.