Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

[Nancy Drew 39]

i voted muffinman cuz he was doing a good job of leading town last game till somebody killed him

While we don't know wether or not scum got to talk pregame during voting, your post here reads like you know they didn't.

err, how?

VOTE: toranaga

pretty sure scum (at least if theyre smart) just voted whoever they thought they might vote as town and the majority of votes just happened to land on FA

If they have pre-game chat, they would have coordinated. Do you disagree? This comment seems to disagree with that sentiment.

They don’t have to coordinate.....

They would plan and use daychat. That's unquestioned. They may choose lol random but that seems unlijely.

I think that whether scum is coordinated or split votes, they are absolutely thinking about which leader is the most likely to further their wincon. Don’t you agree?

[Frozen Angel]

ok 3 people claimed they voted me That is way under than what I thought I had

either scum really didn't have a pregame chat - they decided to split vote and allow town to choose people - or they voted me cause they think they can control me

[Frozen Angel]

so it's about if scum thinks I'm stupid, frameable or they just couldn't coordinate this.

[Frozen Angel]

so it's about if scum thinks I'm stupid, frameable or they just couldn't coordinate this.

or that they didn't want to do it

[Toranaga]

ok 3 people claimed they voted me That is way under than what I thought I had

either scum really didn't have a pregame chat - they decided to split vote and allow town to choose people - or they voted me cause they think they can control me

if scum voted you and you're town, they don't have to lie about it. the 3 people that voted you making you leader leads to me thinking scum votes were spread out to avoid associative reads, especially if you won with just 3 votes. wolves can have pregame chat AND not coordinate their votes in any way, cause that leaves a readable paper trail town can figure things out with.

[Frozen Angel]

ok 3 people claimed they voted me That is way under than what I thought I had

either scum really didn't have a pregame chat - they decided to split vote and allow town to choose people - or they voted me cause they think they can control me

if scum voted you and you're town, they don't have to lie about it. the 3 people that voted you making you leader leads to me thinking scum votes were spread out to avoid associative reads, especially if you won with just 3 votes. wolves can have pregame chat AND not coordinate their votes in any way, cause that leaves a readable paper trail town can figure things out with.

yeah, which means:

so it's about if scum thinks I'm stupid, frameable or they just couldn't coordinate this or that they didn't want to do it

[Titus]

i voted muffinman cuz he was doing a good job of leading town last game till somebody killed him

While we don't know wether or not scum got to talk pregame during voting, your post here reads like you know they didn't.

err, how?

VOTE: toranaga

pretty sure scum (at least if theyre smart) just voted whoever they thought they might vote as town and the majority of votes just happened to land on FA

If they have pre-game chat, they would have coordinated. Do you disagree? This comment seems to disagree with that sentiment.

They don’t have to coordinate.....

They would plan and use daychat. That's unquestioned. They may choose lol random but that seems unlijely.

I think that whether scum is coordinated or split votes, they are absolutely thinking about which leader is the most likely to further their wincon. Don’t you agree?

Yup, which is why I find random least likely unless they're all charismatic sons of bitches.

[Titus]

so it's about if scum thinks I'm stupid, frameable or they just couldn't coordinate this.

or that they didn't want to do it

Yeah not much to do on that. There's two optimal approaches in my mind

1) Random but secret the PRs or 2) Announce them.

Random neutralizes the threat to PRs and reduces buddying for power but makes blocking harder.

Announcing means buddying up the yin yang and harder to mske reads but easier to block with.

[Cerberus v666]

Oh, and whoever decided that FA and I can't be scum together, please elaborate on that position. I don't believe you're familiar with me at least, so I'm very interested in what it is about FA's play and actions with regards to me that goes against your expectations for her interactions with scummates in the past.

That was me Mr. "Sakura's not contributing anything".
And no im not gonna elaborate as of right now, I dont plan on putting much effort atm.

That was your only contribution of value to date! And yeah, elaboration is actually bad at this moment, but in general it's information that should be shared in the event of FA!scum.

Why only FA!scum?

Because Cerb!scum isn't possible? Neglecting to include that possibility, which only exists for people who aren't me, WAS a very deliberate decision to see who noticed, so thanks! <3

[Cerberus v666]

FA, at least 4 people said they voted you right? Myself, Shiro, and two others who responded earlier?

What surprises me is that I had at least 3 votes! If I hadn't voted for you, and nobody else voted for you, I could have been leader! !!

[Titus]

FA, at least 4 people said they voted you right? Myself, Shiro, and two others who responded earlier?

What surprises me is that I had at least 3 votes! If I hadn't voted for you, and nobody else voted for you, I could have been leader! !!

It would hace been close. Players who vote for you might vote for Drixx with the same reasoning.

What approach should we take to PR selection?

[Frozen Angel]

WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS VIVE LA FRANCE

[Frozen Angel]

FA, at least 4 people said they voted you right? Myself, Shiro, and two others who responded earlier?

What surprises me is that I had at least 3 votes! If I hadn't voted for you, and nobody else voted for you, I could have been leader! !!

Oh

I didn't count you

yes 4 people voted me with you I was miscounting

[Frozen Angel]

so it's about if scum thinks I'm stupid, frameable or they just couldn't coordinate this.

or that they didn't want to do it

Yeah not much to do on that. There's two optimal approaches in my mind

1) Random but secret the PRs or 2) Announce them.

Random neutralizes the threat to PRs and reduces buddying for power but makes blocking harder.

Announcing means buddying up the yin yang and harder to mske reads but easier to block with.

what do you mean secret the prs? you mean my team? I'm not gonna announce who I'm gonna choose today. tomorrow I will out all players though

I don't get the last sentence and how is this related to my post though

[Toranaga]

so it's about if scum thinks I'm stupid, frameable or they just couldn't coordinate this.

or that they didn't want to do it

Yeah not much to do on that. There's two optimal approaches in my mind

1) Random but secret the PRs or 2) Announce them.

Random neutralizes the threat to PRs and reduces buddying for power but makes blocking harder.

Announcing means buddying up the yin yang and harder to mske reads but easier to block with.

I don't understand this post. are you suggesting FA randomizes who's gonna get a PR and not announce it? how can we trust the PRs will be randomized? and if we trust FA enough to trust she'll actually randomize the PRs, why can't we just trust FA to pick whoever she wants without outing next day? I don't understand your logic here nor do I like any of your posting so far.

[Frozen Angel]

And I'm not gonna ever randomize the people I choose to get prs

[Toranaga]

WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS VIVE LA FRANCE

lolol congrats

france is the scariest team of this WC. perfect game today.

[Frozen Angel]

actually

@Mod if we learn an ability, is that ability permanent or is it just for one-night phase?

[Titus]

so it's about if scum thinks I'm stupid, frameable or they just couldn't coordinate this.

or that they didn't want to do it

Yeah not much to do on that. There's two optimal approaches in my mind

1) Random but secret the PRs or 2) Announce them.

Random neutralizes the threat to PRs and reduces buddying for power but makes blocking harder.

Announcing means buddying up the yin yang and harder to mske reads but easier to block with.

what do you mean secret the prs? you mean my team? I'm not gonna announce who I'm gonna choose today. tomorrow I will out all players though

I don't get the last sentence and how is this related to my post though

Well if you pick and keep secret, the odds of picking one scum by chance are pretty high. If you're town, you could get blamed for it given scum think you are buddiable. If you're scum secret plus pick allows you to place buddies as PRs.

If we do secret, it should be random to completely reduce the value of scum buddying you for power.

[Frozen Angel]

Are you trying to say that giving random people abilities is more optimal than giving one to my town reads?

[Toranaga]

FA, check #205 by titus. I find the flat out assumption that scum coordinated their votes to you strange. also her entire ISO is just these mechanical talking points that aren't solid towny thoughts.

[Chickadee]

i voted muffinman cuz he was doing a good job of leading town last game till somebody killed him

While we don't know wether or not scum got to talk pregame during voting, your post here reads like you know they didn't.

err, how?

VOTE: toranaga

pretty sure scum (at least if theyre smart) just voted whoever they thought they might vote as town and the majority of votes just happened to land on FA

If they have pre-game chat, they would have coordinated. Do you disagree? This comment seems to disagree with that sentiment.

They don’t have to coordinate.....

ok 3 people claimed they voted me That is way under than what I thought I had

either scum really didn't have a pregame chat - they decided to split vote and allow town to choose people - or they voted me cause they think they can control me

if scum voted you and you're town, they don't have to lie about it. the 3 people that voted you making you leader leads to me thinking scum votes were spread out to avoid associative reads, especially if you won with just 3 votes. wolves can have pregame chat AND not coordinate their votes in any way, cause that leaves a readable paper trail town can figure things out with.

Coordination does not have to mean pile votes.

Coordination could also be spread votes out.

I'm not a big fan of anyone that's trying to discount coordination. But it the grand scheme of things, it's isn't really important D1.

[Titus]

Are you trying to say that giving random people abilities is more optimal than giving one to my town reads?

Unfortunately yes, but it is mathmatecially optimal not playing mafia for fun optimal.

[Titus]

FA, check #205 by titus. I find the flat out assumption that scum coordinated their votes to you strange. also her entire ISO is just these mechanical talking points that aren't solid towny thoughts.

Hi. I don't think we've met. I'm the queen of votes and mechanics. I detest d1 because there is little of either. D1 is people trying to puff up themselves.

[Toranaga]

so it's about if scum thinks I'm stupid, frameable or they just couldn't coordinate this.

or that they didn't want to do it

Yeah not much to do on that. There's two optimal approaches in my mind

1) Random but secret the PRs or 2) Announce them.

Random neutralizes the threat to PRs and reduces buddying for power but makes blocking harder.

Announcing means buddying up the yin yang and harder to mske reads but easier to block with.

what do you mean secret the prs? you mean my team? I'm not gonna announce who I'm gonna choose today. tomorrow I will out all players though

I don't get the last sentence and how is this related to my post though

Well if you pick and keep secret, the odds of picking one scum by chance are pretty high. If you're town, you could get blamed for it given scum think you are buddiable. If you're scum secret plus pick allows you to place buddies as PRs.

If we do secret, it should be random to completely reduce the value of scum buddying you for power.

why are you posting under the assumption FA is town? you are giving her the chance to, if scum, give her scum team mates power without committing to it the next day, because you fear she might give scum power by being buddied. this makes no sense to me, titus.