Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

[Katsuki]

[Chickadee]

Katsuki, is there a reason you keep posting videos? Like, if there's a reason this is relevant, I'm missing it. Clue me in?

[Human Sequencer]

what makes her town? for the 1000000 time, sakura, why is katsuki town?

[ ] We're masons
[ ] I have a daycop inno on them
[ ] They are day 1 friendly neighbors
[ ] Their play is very towny
[ ] Meta says they're town.
Take your pick

This mentality is so unbelievably trash

It's also nothing like your play last game
VOTE: sakura

[Cerberus v666]

I went to check all the votes people claimed to see if I could draw anything from it.

first of all, I believe Frozen Angel was chosen by town motivated votes mostly. she was voted by 4 people: me, shiro, cerberus, and 1-9. I am townreading all of these players to different levels.

in second place came cerberus with 3 votes. nancy, randomidget and drixx. at the very least, I'm townreading nancy. I also think if scum wanted cerberus!scum to be the leader, neither cerberus nor any other scum player would vote FA.

scum votes look dispersed and not coordinated in any way. the only players outside of cerberus and FA to get more than one vote were kokichi and muffin. if we're to believe cerberus and FA are both town, scum votes were either distributed sparcingly or some of them ended up lying about who they voted.

I'm contemplating the idea that some scum players decided to vote people who were unlikely to be elected leader, or they coordinated in a manner that only one of them voted any particular scumbuddy.

player/chosen leader/reasoning given

1-9 - frozen angel -
bbmolla - katsuki -
brassherald - gamma emmerald - pretty cool dude
cerberus - frozen angel - more likely to be voted and pick him as well
chickadee - the worst - more likely to be voted
drixx - cerberus - self evident reasons
frozen angel - shiro - cause she robbed his chance to be leader in a different game
gamma - kokichi - wanted to give him power and see what he can do
hebichan - kokichi - cause she likes him
human - muffin - cause he lead town in a different game
katsuki - didn't claim
kokichi - sakura - cause she is the protagonist in the story
mylo - didn't claim
nancy - cerberus - most rational player
nicorobin - titus - highest potential to help town
randomidget - cerberus - no need for explanation
sakura - muffin - played a great game as town last time
sando - duckling -
shiro - frozen angel -
the worst - nancy drew
titus - drixx - gets more readable as leader
toranaga - frozen angel - she is awesome
muffin - mylo

Thank you for doing this. This list isn't in the order people shared the information is it?

TW: Mylo, Chickadee, sando(I think that's who he means by duckling)
Cerb: Drixx, Nancy, random
FA: SDPI(or 1-9), Cerb, Shiro, Toranaga
Kokichi: Gamma, hebichan,
Muffin: Human, Sakura
Katsuki: bbmolla
Gamma: brassherald
Sakura: kokichi
Titus: Nicorobin
ND39: TW
Drixx: Titus
Mylo: muffin

Katsuki, who did you vote for and why?

Do any of these votes look out of character for the individual who claimed to make it, either because of their reason, or because of your knowledge of their experience with the person in question?

[Cerberus v666]

scum votes look dispersed and not coordinated in any way.

On the surface yes, but I struggle to believe scum played so suboptimally.

Two options here imo. No pregame chat, or they preferred to do things discussion or coordination to be natural+increase the noise to signal ratio in the game, since in the absence of a pattern we'll be spending a bunch of time trying to find one.

Tomorrows leader: Should 100% be decided today, and there should be two top options, with enough promised support for each individually that even if the entire scum team were to vote elsewhere they couldn't change who is chosen. Not sure if that's mathematically possible, since by tomorrow morning, assuming worst case without extra kills, the game will be 16:5, which means all the scum *could* say they'll support the *second* candidate, kill them, and then put all their support behind whoever they want as third...but that line is probably unlikely? If the entire town participates and actually acts as they say they will, then any such action by scum that *changes* who the winner is to a complete unknown will necessitate that they all be in a single group of pledged votes, which makes the scum pool nice and easy to sort through. Just changing it from the first choice to the second is mostly immaterial. It's good information to have, but as long as control ends up in the hands of someone who is "widely" townread we're utilizing the mechanics as best as we can.

[Cerberus v666]

scum votes look dispersed and not coordinated in any way.

On the surface yes, but I struggle to believe scum played so suboptimally.

Two options here imo. No pregame chat, or they preferred to do things WITHOUT discussion or coordination to be natural+increase the noise to signal ratio in the game, since in the absence of a pattern we'll be spending a bunch of time trying to find one.

Tomorrows leader: Should 100% be decided today, and there should be two top options, with enough promised support for each individually that even if the entire scum team were to vote elsewhere they couldn't change who is chosen. Not sure if that's mathematically possible, since by tomorrow morning, assuming worst case without extra kills, the game will be 16:5, which means all the scum *could* say they'll support the *second* candidate, kill them, and then put all their support behind whoever they want as third...but that line is probably unlikely? If the entire town participates and actually acts as they say they will, then any such action by scum that *changes* who the winner is to a complete unknown will necessitate that they all be in a single group of pledged votes, which makes the scum pool nice and easy to sort through. Just changing it from the first choice to the second is mostly immaterial. It's good information to have, but as long as control ends up in the hands of someone who is "widely" townread we're utilizing the mechanics as best as we can.

All caps for the missing word.

[Shiro]

what makes her town? for the 1000000 time, sakura, why is katsuki town?

[ ] We're masons
[ ] I have a daycop inno on them
[ ] They are day 1 friendly neighbors
[ ] Their play is very towny
[ ] Meta says they're town.
Take your pick

How does their meta say they are towny?

[Toranaga]

I went to check all the votes people claimed to see if I could draw anything from it.

first of all, I believe Frozen Angel was chosen by town motivated votes mostly. she was voted by 4 people: me, shiro, cerberus, and 1-9. I am townreading all of these players to different levels.

in second place came cerberus with 3 votes. nancy, randomidget and drixx. at the very least, I'm townreading nancy. I also think if scum wanted cerberus!scum to be the leader, neither cerberus nor any other scum player would vote FA.

scum votes look dispersed and not coordinated in any way. the only players outside of cerberus and FA to get more than one vote were kokichi and muffin. if we're to believe cerberus and FA are both town, scum votes were either distributed sparcingly or some of them ended up lying about who they voted.

I'm contemplating the idea that some scum players decided to vote people who were unlikely to be elected leader, or they coordinated in a manner that only one of them voted any particular scumbuddy.

player/chosen leader/reasoning given

1-9 - frozen angel -
bbmolla - katsuki -
brassherald - gamma emmerald - pretty cool dude
cerberus - frozen angel - more likely to be voted and pick him as well
chickadee - the worst - more likely to be voted
drixx - cerberus - self evident reasons
frozen angel - shiro - cause she robbed his chance to be leader in a different game
gamma - kokichi - wanted to give him power and see what he can do
hebichan - kokichi - cause she likes him
human - muffin - cause he lead town in a different game
katsuki - didn't claim
kokichi - sakura - cause she is the protagonist in the story
mylo - didn't claim
nancy - cerberus - most rational player
nicorobin - titus - highest potential to help town
randomidget - cerberus - no need for explanation
sakura - muffin - played a great game as town last time
sando - duckling -
shiro - frozen angel -
the worst - nancy drew
titus - drixx - gets more readable as leader
toranaga - frozen angel - she is awesome
muffin - mylo

Thank you for doing this. This list isn't in the order people shared the information is it?

TW: Mylo, Chickadee, sando(I think that's who he means by duckling)
Cerb: Drixx, Nancy, random
FA: SDPI(or 1-9), Cerb, Shiro, Toranaga
Kokichi: Gamma, hebichan,
Muffin: Human, Sakura
Katsuki: bbmolla
Gamma: brassherald
Sakura: kokichi
Titus: Nicorobin
ND39: TW
Drixx: Titus
Mylo: muffin

Katsuki, who did you vote for and why?

Do any of these votes look out of character for the individual who claimed to make it, either because of their reason, or because of your knowledge of their experience with the person in question?

it's not, I just ISO'd people so it goes from 1 to Z.

I don't know the players enough to tell what's out of character for them.

[Sakura Hana]

How does their meta say they are towny?

It doesnt, im just giving a generic answer coz im tired of being asked, when i already said i didnt want to put effort.

[Toranaga]

I would lynch katsuki in this and every other game forever until she decides to play mafia instead of trying to be cute. is she wolfy, is she villagery? who knows, right. it's a bunch of videos.

I think sakura needs to expand on her stance on katsuki and be as clear and honest as possible. I'm also starting to find her posting odd.

human sequence is probably a villager. I like the way he is reading the game and the things he is reacting to.

I also like muffin more and more as the day progresses

I also think shiro is very unlikely to be mafia.

so I have as towns: FA, cerb, sando, shiro, muffin, human, nancy.

I would lynch a good number of players this gameday. katsuki, sakura tbh, titus, nicorobin cause he voted for titus, chickadee, the worst.

not that I'm confidently scumreading any of them.

[Toranaga]

How does their meta say they are towny?

It doesnt, im just giving a generic answer coz im tired of being asked, when i already said i didnt want to put effort.

VOTE: sakura hana

[Cerberus v666]

Spoiler: Quoted posts

I went to check all the votes people claimed to see if I could draw anything from it.

first of all, I believe Frozen Angel was chosen by town motivated votes mostly. she was voted by 4 people: me, shiro, cerberus, and 1-9. I am townreading all of these players to different levels.

in second place came cerberus with 3 votes. nancy, randomidget and drixx. at the very least, I'm townreading nancy. I also think if scum wanted cerberus!scum to be the leader, neither cerberus nor any other scum player would vote FA.

scum votes look dispersed and not coordinated in any way. the only players outside of cerberus and FA to get more than one vote were kokichi and muffin. if we're to believe cerberus and FA are both town, scum votes were either distributed sparcingly or some of them ended up lying about who they voted.

I'm contemplating the idea that some scum players decided to vote people who were unlikely to be elected leader, or they coordinated in a manner that only one of them voted any particular scumbuddy.

player/chosen leader/reasoning given

1-9 - frozen angel -
bbmolla - katsuki -
brassherald - gamma emmerald - pretty cool dude
cerberus - frozen angel - more likely to be voted and pick him as well
chickadee - the worst - more likely to be voted
drixx - cerberus - self evident reasons
frozen angel - shiro - cause she robbed his chance to be leader in a different game
gamma - kokichi - wanted to give him power and see what he can do
hebichan - kokichi - cause she likes him
human - muffin - cause he lead town in a different game
katsuki - didn't claim
kokichi - sakura - cause she is the protagonist in the story
mylo - didn't claim
nancy - cerberus - most rational player
nicorobin - titus - highest potential to help town
randomidget - cerberus - no need for explanation
sakura - muffin - played a great game as town last time
sando - duckling -
shiro - frozen angel -
the worst - nancy drew
titus - drixx - gets more readable as leader
toranaga - frozen angel - she is awesome
muffin - mylo

Thank you for doing this. This list isn't in the order people shared the information is it?

TW: Mylo, Chickadee, sando(I think that's who he means by duckling)
Cerb: Drixx, Nancy, random
FA: SDPI(or 1-9), Cerb, Shiro, Toranaga
Kokichi: Gamma, hebichan,
Muffin: Human, Sakura
Katsuki: bbmolla
Gamma: brassherald
Sakura: kokichi
Titus: Nicorobin
ND39: TW
Drixx: Titus
Mylo: muffin

Katsuki, who did you vote for and why?

Do any of these votes look out of character for the individual who claimed to make it, either because of their reason, or because of your knowledge of their experience with the person in question?

it's not, I just ISO'd people so it goes from 1 to Z.

I don't know the players enough to tell what's out of character for them.

Fair enough. Just to clarify, that question asking for out of character behavior goes out to everyone in the game.

[Toranaga]

How does their meta say they are towny?

It doesnt, im just giving a generic answer coz im tired of being asked, when i already said i didnt want to put effort.

VOTE: sakura hana

I wanna lynch titus and nicorobin in sequence if this flips scum.

[Toranaga]

I wanna lynch titus and nicorobin in sequence if this flips scum.

there's nothing generic about that answer and this is a wolfy reply. you're spending more time defending your lack of explaining yourself than you'd take explaining yourself.

[Cerberus v666]

I would lynch katsuki in this and every other game forever until she decides to play mafia instead of trying to be cute. is she wolfy, is she villagery? who knows, right. it's a bunch of videos.

I think sakura needs to expand on her stance on katsuki and be as clear and honest as possible. I'm also starting to find her posting odd.

human sequence is probably a villager. I like the way he is reading the game and the things he is reacting to.

I also like muffin more and more as the day progresses

I also think shiro is very unlikely to be mafia.

so I have as towns: FA, cerb, sando, shiro, muffin, human, nancy.

I would lynch a good number of players this gameday. katsuki, sakura tbh, titus, nicorobin cause he voted for titus, chickadee, the worst.

not that I'm confidently scumreading any of them.

I dislike the lack of nuance in your set of reads. With the exception of Titus and Shiro, it reads as "Appears to be showing effort=town, doesn't/isn't cooperating=scum""

I already know your reasoning for one of the exceptions, Titus. What's the reason behind the Shiro town read?

There are also like 9 players who you don't address. Are they all null?

[Sakura Hana]

Appears to be showing effort=town

Pretty much why im not a fan of the TRs on you.

[Sakura Hana]

Granted 839 is the first bit of some sort of honest scumhunting i see from you.

[Cerberus v666]

Granted 839 is the first bit of some sort of honest scumhunting i see from you.

The only remotely scumhunty posts I've made were 839 and the post attacking you.

[Toranaga]

I would lynch katsuki in this and every other game forever until she decides to play mafia instead of trying to be cute. is she wolfy, is she villagery? who knows, right. it's a bunch of videos.

I think sakura needs to expand on her stance on katsuki and be as clear and honest as possible. I'm also starting to find her posting odd.

human sequence is probably a villager. I like the way he is reading the game and the things he is reacting to.

I also like muffin more and more as the day progresses

I also think shiro is very unlikely to be mafia.

so I have as towns: FA, cerb, sando, shiro, muffin, human, nancy.

I would lynch a good number of players this gameday. katsuki, sakura tbh, titus, nicorobin cause he voted for titus, chickadee, the worst.

not that I'm confidently scumreading any of them.

I dislike the lack of nuance in your set of reads. With the exception of Titus and Shiro, it reads as "Appears to be showing effort=town, doesn't/isn't cooperating=scum""

I already know your reasoning for one of the exceptions, Titus. What's the reason behind the Shiro town read?

There are also like 9 players who you don't address. Are they all null?

it's not lacking nuance in my head when I'm making them and I didn't explain any of those reads as showing effort being town indicative. you are guessing that's the case, but everytime I townread or wolfread someone it starts on a post by post basis and goes to the bigger picture.

[Toranaga]

Granted 839 is the first bit of some sort of honest scumhunting i see from you.

I already don't want to lynch you anymore.

VOTE: chickadee

[Toranaga]

my human sequence read: "I like the way he is reading the game and things he is reacting to"
cerberus interpretation: "effort = town"

/shrug

[Cerberus v666]

I would lynch katsuki in this and every other game forever until she decides to play mafia instead of trying to be cute. is she wolfy, is she villagery? who knows, right. it's a bunch of videos.

I think sakura needs to expand on her stance on katsuki and be as clear and honest as possible. I'm also starting to find her posting odd.

human sequence is probably a villager. I like the way he is reading the game and the things he is reacting to.

I also like muffin more and more as the day progresses

I also think shiro is very unlikely to be mafia.

so I have as towns: FA, cerb, sando, shiro, muffin, human, nancy.

I would lynch a good number of players this gameday. katsuki, sakura tbh, titus, nicorobin cause he voted for titus, chickadee, the worst.

not that I'm confidently scumreading any of them.

I dislike the lack of nuance in your set of reads. With the exception of Titus and Shiro, it reads as "Appears to be showing effort=town, doesn't/isn't cooperating=scum""

I already know your reasoning for one of the exceptions, Titus. What's the reason behind the Shiro town read?

There are also like 9 players who you don't address. Are they all null?

it's not lacking nuance in my head when I'm making them and I didn't explain any of those reads as showing effort being town indicative. you are guessing that's the case, but everytime I townread or wolfread someone it starts on a post by post basis and goes to the bigger picture.

*nods* Which is why I said "it reads as", as in, without more information from you about this post by post basis you use to build your reads, that's all it APPEARS to be. If you have details to share they would be appreciated, otherwise it just looks lazy overall.

pedit: A single counterexample does not prove a trend incorrect.

[Shiro]

What's the reason behind the Shiro town read?

I am me

[Shiro]

Granted 839 is the first bit of some sort of honest scumhunting i see from you.

I already don't want to lynch you anymore.

VOTE: chickadee

That was a quick shift.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Katsuki if I'm not already

why?

also I see you poking at things of little substance and not adding much to them. IDK if that's how you play as a wolf but I'm expecting more townyness from you gamma.

She's not even posting content within the restriction, despite showing she definitely can. Even with a very crippling restriction, I've seen others make do.