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[Fundamental Theorem]

539: post that upholds my theory of toog town. again, this level of theory he's spewing is hard for scum to fake.

It really isn't.

[SpyreX]

Official Duel Count

neither

(11): Gammagooey, RadiantCowbells, Firebringer, rb, UnrealSeal, Fundamental Theorem, the worst, Skygazer, Gamma Emerald, Porkens, Papa Zito

Katsuki

(6): Garmr, Creature, MariaR, Katsuki, Brian Skies, BlueBloodedToffee

Firebringer

(4): stungun0404, Toogeloo, Spiffeh, Antihero

Not Voting

(7): Vecna, Princess Celestia, Fate, Lady Lambdadelta, dramonic, neither, Prof Fridays

With 27 alive, it takes 14 to lynch.

[RadiantCowbells]

Stungun says very dumb things

Whether it makes him scum, eh

[Firebringer]

I did say that I said that you're just ignoring my reasons why Kat is town for a reason to not vote him you're giving the illusion that you can be convinced to vote Kat if you're shown he's town but in reality you're never gonna vote Kat that's why I found it scummy. So I don't know what you think I haven't been saying.

You said that AFTER i questioned on if you wanted to rethink it. You didn't express that originally. So either A) you miscommunicated your original point or B) backpedaled into something that made more sense.
I thought B. And this still doesn't explain thoughts before hand that I can apply this same reasoning on how your thinking makes sense in maria world.

Ate fight? Mmmm no. I wanted you to do something yes I did try to manipulate you to try and argue but I wanted you to argue with your reads, not your emotions. I didn't know I was offending you at all and that was never my goal. I was really confused why people asked me to play nice when I didn't think I did anything wrong. I wasn't trying to get you to tr me If I'm scum I don't need ate to get people to tr me. You should know I use manipulation as town and scum to suit my agenda or perhaps you don't.

Okay several things. You don't manipulate people i nthe same ways as both town and scum. So going to strike that down here.

dismissed you after you game threw out of respect thinking you had to be scum because town you wouldn't do something that shitty yes I can say that. i don't get your reasons I think it's game throwing I can't even go into full detail because you asked me not too and I don't want to upset you so I won't. On the off chance your town I wanted to get stuff out of you and coax you into doing something instead of just sitting and dying because you didn't want to be in a game with a player. Because honestly we weren't gonna have a lot to go off of regardless of the flip so I thought I'd make you give us some. If you're scum that works even better if you're town at least you're debating.

You didn't even address me before that point. At all.
You voted Katsuki to win and said "I have no reason to lynch Katsuki" as though you gave me a thought on reading me and decided a person you had zero reason was better than me.

You got to explain the logic in between here, because as soon as you saw that is when you first made a opinion and thats all you had since. It doesn't even make sense given what I can argue against that fact but then we have to go into something we both agreed we aren't going to talk about anymore.

Between me saying that about wanting Neither, and when you decided to vote Katsuki. Did you have a read or what? Cause you voted as though you did but didn't attempt anything.

And yeah your attempts to get me to talk are not good.

[Firebringer]

And yeah your attempts to get me to talk are not good.

I would go as far as to say even me saying that what you did were "actual attempts" is giving you way too much leeway.

You have DEFINITELY not been trying to get a conversation going with me. You have definitely not been trying to get me to argue any of my points. You have definitely not trying to form an opinion of me.

For you to pretend that everything you did was some ulterior motive to get me to argue is not only wrong. Its probably the biggest fucking lie in this game so far.

And Katsuki has lied about his role 2 times already. And you are a making a bigger lie than him.

[Fundamental Theorem]

MariaR gets duelled by me tomorrow if both flips are town btw

Let me do it.

[Fundamental Theorem]

One of you falls dead, cored through.

DrippingGoofball,

Laserbeak, Decepticon Mini-Cassette Reconnaissance

has been killed

Duel Continues.

waste of a kill.

Decepticons are scum.

[Brian Skies]

Scum dayvig.

[Fundamental Theorem]

Page 1:

1. 14 by Skygazer --> Claims miller -->

(Not definite if this was serious, but I will go with it isn't.)

2. 18 by UnrealSeal --> Locktowning Creature based on two posts -->

This is a really bad post as that is not at all what Creature's meta is. Being active at the very beginning of the game is fairly meaningless for Creature (in terms of alignment).

Page 2:

1. 29 by Skygazer --> Wonders why 5 players are listed at the bottom that haven't been alphabetized -->

(As I mentioned earlier, I think this was just a case of the moderator being lazy.)

Page 3:

1. 64 by Stungun0404 --> Has experience with Creature's scum game -->

(Just noting that this statement really isn't very useful as practically everyone is familiar with Creature's meta to some extent. Some people do get it wrong though.)

Page 4:

1. 79 by Brian Skies --> Asks us to ignore his vote on Creature because he did it to be aggravating -->

I don't know about the rest of you, but this post sends off alarm bells for me.

Page 5:

1. 100 by Stungun0404 --> Setup speccing about the number of scum -->

We have a term for these kinds of posts: IIoA.

2. 120 by DrippingGoofball --> "stungun is town" -->

Why? I don't get that impression from their posts so far.

Page 6:

1. 144 by Firebringer --> Duels Katsuki -->

I am more annoyed with this because Firebringer beat me to it versus the duel itself. Aside from that, it really has very little bearing on Firebringer's alignment as I can see him doing this easily as either alignment.

Page 7:

Nothing really of interest.

Page 8:

1. 176 by UnrealSeal --> Scumreads me (in a way) for asking for a quick lynch -->

That's not really good reasoning at all. I honestly think you can find something better in the first few pages than that tbqh.

Page 9:

Nothing really of interest.

Page 10:

1. 242 by Firebringer --> Refuses to role claim -->

I have to wonder... Why?

Page 11:

Nothing really of interest.

Page 12:

1. 281 by UnrealSeal --> "you are literally voting for someone who random duels people who haven't posted over someone who could potentially be actually useful" -->

Why are you white-knighting Katsuki at this point? Sure, I could get not being in favor of having Fire win, but this indicates to me that you know Katsuki's alignment.

Page 13:

1. 303 by rb --> Asks Garmr about why he says Katsuki is 50/50, and presumes that there is 8 scum in this game -->

I'm really curious as to where 8 scum comes from because as the number of scum increases, scum's power increases drastically.

2. 322 by Toogeloo --> States that they just told everyone they have an E and/or S ability -->

I'm really curious as to why Toogeloo felt a need to make this post. I guess scum may have caught it (or maybe not), but I don't think most people would immediately make the connection that Toogeloo's question indicated they had one of those abilities.

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1. 330 by Toogeloo --> "Like, can we still vote for a lynch, and the duel is just a mob day lynch?" -->

What kind of question is this?

2. 336 by Creature --> States that Toogeloo is town -->

What caused your read to change?

Page 15:

Nothing really of interest.

Page 16:

1. 377 by MariaR --> "I have no reason to lynch Kat." -->

And? You don't really have a reason to lynch Firebringer either, except maybe for starting the duel (but Fire would do that as either alignment). Unless you are confident one of the two is town, double-lynching is definitely +EV for town because it reduces the number of kills that mafia get to decide.

Page 17:

1. 402 by UnrealSeal --> "Katsuki didn't even post until now and with her recent claim will be relatively easy to sort after the duel." -->

The fact that people believe Katsuki's cop claim is really, really alarming.

2. 403 by Katsuki --> Says there are many people who would duel him at the start, but Firebringer would not be one of them -->

What makes you think that?

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Nothing really of interest.

Page 19:

1. 469 by UnrealSeal --> Says they are not interested in sorting -->

And this helps town by ____________________?

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Nothing really of interest.

Page 21:

Nothing really of interest.

Page 22:

1. 540 by Skygazer --> "omg Toog is town?" -->

HOW?

Page 23:

Nothing really of interest.

Page 24:

Nothing really of interest.

Page 25:

Nothing really of interest.

Page 26:

1. 647 by Porkens --> Quotes my 107, calls me scum, and votes me -->

What about that post makes me scum, so much so that you want to vote me?

Page 27:

Nothing really of interest.

Page 28:

1. 675 by MariaR --> Says that Katsuki making AtE posts doesn't make them scum -->

Okay, but how are they town?

Page 29:

Nothing really of interest (except that dayvig!).

[Firebringer]

Decepticons are scum.

whut

[Fundamental Theorem]

One of you falls dead, cored through.

DrippingGoofball,

Laserbeak, Decepticon Mini-Cassette Reconnaissance

has been killed

Duel Continues.

waste of a kill.

Decepticons are scum.

Umm... Nevermind this; I misread the win condition.

[Creature]

Oh lol they killed a fun player

[Creature]

Was neither hammered already?

[Firebringer]

Creature vote Neither.

[Brian Skies]

Why do we not have a countdown timer for our deadline?

[RadiantCowbells]

If that's really a scum dayvig we should be lynching in the older players who would see dgb as a threat.

I don't believe it was unless it's Kats trying to get his action out and semi spew himself town by a person voting him surviving dying

[Creature]

2. 336 by Creature --> States that Toogeloo is town --> What caused your read to change?

Their softclaim

[Creature]

Yeh, it's most likely scum dayvig

[Firebringer]

i could see KatsScum day vigging DGB.
But I kind of almost want to find out who DGB is really good at reading and go back from there, most likely in the older players, because DGB isn't really known in the newer crowd.

[Creature]

VOTE: Neither

L-2

[Creature]

(thought 12 votes was hammer)

[MariaR]

You said that AFTER i questioned on if you wanted to rethink it. You didn't express that originally. So either A) you miscommunicated your original point or B) backpedaled into something that made more sense.
I thought B. And this still doesn't explain thoughts before hand that I can apply this same reasoning on how your thinking makes sense in maria world.

What's the original post in question?

Okay several things. You don't manipulate people i nthe same ways as both town and scum. So going to strike that down here.

aka "I have no way to counter this post she made so I'm just gonna put a bland reason so I can dismiss it."

You didn't even address me before that point. At all.
You voted Katsuki to win and said "I have no reason to lynch Katsuki" as though you gave me a thought on reading me and decided a person you had zero reason was better than me.

You got to explain the logic in between here,

Stop going for a low blow you know why I can't explain my logic here

[stungun0404]

539: post that upholds my theory of toog town. again, this level of theory he's spewing is hard for scum to fake.

It really isn't.

it's not so much that one post as it is the consistency of the type of theory he has been spewing that is difficult to maintain, and in his early posts his consistency in what i would label "pro-town/solving the game" type of theory is typically an easy facade for scum to maintain--it involves a lot of concentration and energy towards one game. it is very hard to consistently look like you are "pro-town/solving the game" with respect to the very workings of a game (and that's because the way it's set up; as scum already has an advantage here typically anyway). in my opinion, it's much much harder to fake; and i have several games of scumhunting to my experience where this has worked to find townplayers successfully. no, it's not resolutely against attack, but if he keeps it up i'd hard defend him as town. consistency is the key

[Creature]

We can hammer already

[RadiantCowbells]

Wow me and fire are agreeing again

I'm almost tempted to just vote Kats now