Gerrymandering Shadow Government Democracy Mafia Endgame

[Aronis]

Lmao not known's an idiot

[Blind Bandits]

not to mention the claim makes no fucking sense with the rest of the game lmfao

[Not Known 15]

Yeah. The guilty is fake.... and so is my claim.
my belief that Aronis is mafia is not fake, though.
I recently reread their ISO and they are very red to me.
Here are the points that put Aronis in my suspicion:

Their very opening post is very verbose. And they tell us that they'd only not run for prez because there were too many alternatives already.
Their ISO then continues with fluff like pagetops and references on pagetops as well a very suspicious post.
299.
They admit that they can't read properly.
They even continue with this the next posts in their ISO.
The key question of course is... why would someone who disvalues their reads this much want to be president, with a campaign for quick votekill?
401.
Buddying.
579[post];581[/post]:

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There's a reason I'm not running for president OKAY? I realize I'm not popular

I'd release my plan to be efficient, but I think the ship sailed on me being president. I might try again tomorrow

This looks strange, constructed. First Aronis says that they are not running for president, and then they say the ship sailed. If it were the other way around, it would not raise my eyebrows. The timeline doesn't look alright here.
585. Why does Aronis care so much about being townread, and nothing else?
817 Disruptive.
962. Aronis is only caring about themselves... again.
...966 then they assert that they are obvious town, really?
1907 looks like blatant signaling. Really, what is this? Come on.

Mylo- can we be friends please?

Mylo- can we be friends please?

Yep!

Okay please don't lynch me or wheme or do anything that would put us in danger, tia

No problem! You up for a orh/BB/Invis lynch?

if wheme is president, yes

This is never T+T.

Then came their strange insistence on "the worst isnt conftown".

so lost rn

Don't vote the worst, he's going to kill you. I'd vote for Wheme or mutant instead

Another case of signaling?

and blind bandits are still probably scum

...especially in the light of this.

TL;DR:
Their contributions point towards them being a disruptively playing signaling Mafia when Mafia have daytalk...
signaling to Blind Bandits and MYLO, who are under suspicion...
or, to put it in other words, a

Traitor

.

[WhemeStar]

IF YOU THINK SOMEONES SCUM DONT FAKE CLAIM A GUILTY LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING FOR THE PAST 3 DAYS

[WhemeStar]

MAKES THE RESTO F THE PEOPLE NOT LISTEN TO YOU

[123456789]

For once Wheme is right.

Wheme, if you are president, who do you lynch?

[mutantdevle]

Hhahahahaha

No.


Not Known I think you either need to majorly reevaluate your reads or change the way you form them because I think they've been bad all game. Neither Mylo nor Aronis are scum. Blind bandits, maybe, but grouping them with the other 2 is not something I'd lynch them over.

This is what I meant in calling out your fake claim. You decided to fake claim on someone in your own personal lynch pool. You should have gone for the more unknown players instead and maybe we would have been more willing to go through with the fake claim regardless as that would provide read correction for a lot more people that just you.



@Wheme, 123456789's soft guilty was legit. Nothing fake about it. On that subject, it means scum either really did shoot the bodyguard as we originally assumed or there was another cause of a lack of a 2nd kill. If anyone has information about what prevented the second kill then it would be useful if they stepped forward about it. However, naturally, if your information doesn't result in anyone else looking suspicious, don't claim it.

[mutantdevle]

Also, am I the only one that doesn't feel like we've made much progress in finding scum?

Maybe it's because I'm used to smaller games hence meaning day 4 with no scum lynched is a crisis point, but I'm really starting to worry that we're not getting anywhere.

[Not Known 15]

Also, am I the only one that doesn't feel like we've made much progress in finding scum?

Maybe it's because I'm used to smaller games hence meaning day 4 with no scum lynched is a crisis point, but I'm really starting to worry that we're not getting anywhere.

That's usually a sign that the town's reads are not accurate.

Not Known I think you either need to majorly reevaluate your reads or change the way you form them because I think they've been bad all game.

The Day 1 lynch was because of a doublevote.
The Day 2 lynch was because of a doublevote and strange behaviour.
The Day 3 lynch was because of a guilty that wasn't true.
I supported all three, and it went badly.
Does my case against aronis look anything like those?
I

have

reevaluated my reads.
And aronis being Mafia is the result of reevaluation.

[123456789]

VOTE: Skip to the election early.
Can this be a thing?

[jjh927]

VOTE: Skip to the election early.
Can this be a thing?

Sure, I guess. I'll do a count of skip votes when I do the next party alignment post

[hebichan]

VOTE: skip

[mutantdevle]

I

have

reevaluated my reads.
And aronis being Mafia is the result of reevaluation.

Well reevaluate them again.

[mutantdevle]

I've just confused myself here. I was considering Invisibility to be a lurker but then I checked and saw that he had 111 posts, that's more than most people who I don't consider to be lurkers.

[Not Known 15]

Well reevaluate them again.

HURT: Mutantdevle
I have laid my case before you. And instead of addressing my reasoning about aronis being scum... all laid down in post 2352
you unilaterally dismiss my case.

[Not Known 15]

I've just confused myself here. I was considering Invisibility to be a lurker but then I checked and saw that he had 111 posts, that's more than most people who I don't consider to be lurkers.

But their posts are all one-liners.
That's probably the reason.
I'll check them right now, in greater detail.

[mutantdevle]

Well reevaluate them again.

HURT: Mutantdevle
I have laid my case before you. And instead of addressing my reasoning about aronis being scum... all laid down in post 2352
you unilaterally dismiss my case.

[Psyche]

what is this hurt thing i don't see it in the game mechanics

[Invisibility]

what is this hurt thing i don't see it in the game mechanics

its a pseudo-vote for lynch

[Not Known 15]

Well reevaluate them again.

HURT: Mutantdevle
I have laid my case before you. And instead of addressing my reasoning about aronis being scum... all laid down in post 2352
you unilaterally dismiss my case.

IF YOU ARE TOWN WHAT IS SO FUNNY ABOUT THIS?

[mutantdevle]

Okay, fine, I'll humour you Not Known and pick apart your case.

First of all, your case is a little disorientating as some of your post links don't lead to the right location or even work at all. How are we supposed to agree with you if you can't even present your opinion efficiently?

Next, you criticise him for being flip-floppy over running for president. First of all, I think it's clear Aronis wanted to run for president given he actually did at one point. Obviously, he felt his presence in the campaign was not needed due to the number of people already running. Why would he lie about wanting to run for president? What do scum gain for that? What is even AI about anything he says about running for president?

You also criticise how he claims his reads are bad yet he wants to run for president? Why do you apply that criticism only to him when I have said and done the same thing except more successfully?

I don't get why 585 warrants the reaction "Why does Aronis care

so much

about being townread,

and nothing else

?" when he asked a single person what their read on him was 1 time. Your taking one instance of an action and saying he's constantly doing it. That's like me saying you only care for lynching Aronis and nothing else. You've done other things during the game.

Now, you might jump in here and say that he also does it in 962, but you're clearly going through his iso to find criticism of him. Hence your stupid comments on some of his posts like "disruptive" or "they assert that they are obvious town, really?" (btw, I personally do think they are obvious town). This means that you based your statement of only caring about reads on himself on 1 instance of him doing it.

As for your case that he is a traitor, I don't think I have any way of describing this case other than "fucking stupid". Like seriously. Read it again. Try not to laugh. Asking someone to be friends is traitor signalling is it? Telling someone who to vote as president is definitely the sign of scum who can't day talk with the rest of their buddies right? Like c'mon, your case is so darn stupid and you know it. You're reaching so fucking much. And you're using this crazy idea to try and call Mylo and BB scum too? Like seriously, what?

It seriously worries me that you're so ready to believe an Aronis, Mylo, BB scum team based on the actions of a single individual. Furthermore, the actions by this individual that you are basing a scum team on consist of 2 posts. 1 being a joke post and the other being a post about advising a town read on how to stay alive. And then you place hurt tags on me when I dismiss your blatantly shit case... where do I fit in to this scum team that you feel so sure of then?

Yes, Aronis is scummy. Yes, he is disruptive. But do you think that's unique to this game? Do you think the way they are acting is because they are scum in this one instant? Hell fucking no. You are scum reading Aronis based on his playstyle. Your case has proven that there is nothing of substance to scum read Aronis on hence why you have stretched a scum read on him to the point you're calling out a joke post about friendship as a traitor signalling to their scum buddy. That's why I think Aronis is obvious town; he has so much scummy and anti-town content but none of it has scum motivation behind it.



Honestly Not Known, I can't tell if your actions are based on how you have no idea what you're doing or if you are actually scum with fake reads. I'd really appreciate it if you stopped giving me reason to doubt my town read on you as I'd like to think I have a fairly accurate lynch pool at this stage in the game despite everything that's happened.

[Blind Bandits]

yerrr we (i) been fuckin up this game but we can back on track
were not scum tho

[Blind Bandits]

VOTE: Skip to the election


yo
dont elect wheme

[Not Known 15]

You also criticise how he claims his reads are bad yet he wants to run for president? Why do you apply that criticism only to him when I have said and done the same thing except more successfully?

Key difference: You wanted to enforce basically a vote.
Aronis wanted to act on their own.
And that is what bothers me, probably more than everything else said by Aronis.
Your motivation to be president was to try out normal voting, basically, because you didn't trust your reads nor did trust others. That is understandable from a town point of view.
However, Aronis motivation to be president was that they wanted to decide for themselves who was scum, and hopefully catch them, or so they said.
But if Aronis knows themselves and says that they cannot read people properly... how does this fit? Why should someone who thinks that their reads are bad rely on these reads so much that they want to be president and lynch based on their own reads? From a scum point of view, that's perfectly understandable:They want to lynch town; and they don't need to have good scumreads to advance their wincon because they are scum, and know who to lynch.
From a town point of view... I cannot see this conclusion. Can you?

[mutantdevle]

From a town point of view... I cannot see this conclusion. Can you?

Yes. You forget the simple principle that someone who knows they are town also knows that if they solely decide the lynch then scum would have no influence in it. Aronis strikes me as someone who'd definitely have this kind of opinion and I believe he has said something similar to that. That principle is the reason that lead me to even consider running for president in the first place (pregame). Aronis just has nothing more on top of that. Aronis's presidency would just be a less accurate Ruby Red presidency. Though, I would say that Aronis looks townier to me than Ruby Red currently does.