NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

[Almost50]

@xy: What is your read on me now. Spare me no details, please.

[Taly]

My reads on the death pool have now gone back to what they were before the profii wagon...

Rask, tell me why you don't scumread Sky?
HWS, can you actually look at A50 and tell me if you see town motivation there?

[Taly]

Sky/A50 > HWS/profii > xyzzy

[the worst]

a51

well played

[Taly]

VOTE: SkyGazer

I'm done second-guessing myself. I wrote a post about me 360'ing with my reads, but I need to be succinct. We're less than 2 days out and I'm ready to end this day.

I'll hammer

xyzzy

to avoid a No Lynch if we're a few hours out from deadline.
Bottom line, was very likely to be a scum CW from

Dram

, alongside

Hit

. Don't like some of the votes on them now, and my ISO and thoughts both D1 and early-D2 tell me they are likely town.

I'll hop onto

A50

according to whether he's a more popular wagon prior to deadline.
I don't feel confident to meta-read them, I don't like their dismissive and wrong assessment of me, and I don't fully understand their self-focus here.

I'll vote/hammer

HWS/profii

if they are the only option next to

xyzzy

.
I think most of my issues here are related to playstyle if I think about it, and I did originally townread these two, and I'm trusting that for now.

This game approach is required by the gamestate and I'm done fighting that.

[Andrius]

Pine, replace me.

I've had no desire to play mafia for the past four days and I don't see it getting any better. Was fun at times and let's get some new blood who'll carry the cape when I don't care to play.

Chrono out.

[Inferno390]

Dang.
Well, maybe a new person in that slot might help with some reads.
Good playing with you, Andy!

[Ausuka]

1) Hit

softed an investigative role where he found out that

TW

made a kill N1.

TW

claimed he shot

Dram

, there's been no counter to this. So it's mechanically impossible that

TW

is groupscum with this information being valid, and that he's confirmed to be a killing role that's not mafia.

2) Chick

is not going to last to lylo. I can't see that happening. She's either Town-Venge with high NK equity, or she's going to be lynched prior to lylo because a Venge in lylo, regardless of alignment, is town gamethrowing tbh - very bad odds for town numerically, and that's not speaking logistically.

I don't like

Chick's

play a whole lot and I do understand the suspicion there, but claiming Venge, especially D2, is extremely unsurvivalistic imo

unsure if you know this but vengeful players can't be scum in normals.

xyzzy's profii's vote is bad I guess and since the game kinda needs to move on I'll give intent to hammer.

[Ausuka]

Perhaps would say a bit more but I don't want to help scum guess my target.

Bye Andrius

[Gamma Emerald]

Pine, replace me.

I've had no desire to play mafia for the past four days and I don't see it getting any better. Was fun at times and let's get some new blood who'll carry the cape when I don't care to play.

Chrono out.

rip the one guy I was most excited to play with
w/e, the rest of the playerlist is good too

[Gamma Emerald]

what's the VC at rn

[Almost50]

what's the VC at rn

All I know is xy @L-2

[Ausuka]

Meh let's do this I'll just fruit vend somebody else.
VOTE: Skygazer

[Ausuka]

Duckling, regardless of how this day ends, please vig in {A50, profii's, xyzzy, HWS} and I will fruitvend for scum outside of those players.

[xyzzy]

skygazer is a bad lynch

[Almost50]

Duckling, regardless of how this day ends, please vig in {A50, profii's, xyzzy, HWS} and I will fruitvend for scum outside of those players.

You want xy dead and they're @L-2, so you vote elsewhere? What's the logic behind that??

[Ausuka]

The logical in that is that I'm not conftown and it makes no sense for the vigpool to be shaped around my own reads. Personally I believe vig is most effective when used as a second lynch. Every shot in that pool, if town, denies scum a likely mislynch later in the game.

[Almost50]

The logical in that is that I'm not conftown and it makes no sense for the vigpool to be shaped around my own reads. Personally I believe vig is most effective when used as a second lynch. Every shot in that pool, if town, denies scum a likely mislynch later in the game.

That doesn't remotely answer my question. Why are you nit voting xy who is already a strong lynch candidate if you suspect them enough to include them in your Vig pool.

Let me be blunt: The word on the street is that you're scum together. This is what scum do to their partners. They FoS them but try not to lynch them. They include them in a lynch/Vig pool but hope it never lands on them.

Additional unsubstantiated sources tipped me scum might have a RB even, or intend to take out the Vig tonight so a 25% on xy being the Vig shot there.

So, if you're for an xy Vig shot you should be for an xy lynch and Sky can replace them in the Vig pool if she must.

[Taly]

skygazer is a bad lynch

Then tell me why, and tell me which lynch do you believe is best out of

HWS/profii/A50

?

[brassherald]

when's the deadline?

[Ausuka]

The logical in that is that I'm not conftown and it makes no sense for the vigpool to be shaped around my own reads. Personally I believe vig is most effective when used as a second lynch. Every shot in that pool, if town, denies scum a likely mislynch later in the game.

That doesn't remotely answer my question. Why are you nit voting xy who is already a strong lynch candidate if you suspect them enough to include them in your Vig pool.

Let me be blunt: The word on the street is that you're scum together. This is what scum do to their partners. They FoS them but try not to lynch them. They include them in a lynch/Vig pool but hope it never lands on them.

Additional unsubstantiated sources tipped me scum might have a RB even, or intend to take out the Vig tonight so a 25% on xy being the Vig shot there.

So, if you're for an xy Vig shot you should be for an xy lynch and Sky can replace them in the Vig pool if she must.

It does answer what you're saying. You're just being dense or scum.

[Taly]

See ya

Andrius

Deadline in 0 days, 23 hours, 57 minutes

Just hit 24 hour mark.

I'm fine with a hammer now but I thought more people would check in since yesterday... It is the weekend, though.

1) Hit

softed an investigative role where he found out that

TW

made a kill N1.

TW

claimed he shot

Dram

, there's been no counter to this. So it's mechanically impossible that

TW

is groupscum with this information being valid, and that he's confirmed to be a killing role that's not mafia.

2) Chick

is not going to last to lylo. I can't see that happening. She's either Town-Venge with high NK equity, or she's going to be lynched prior to lylo because a Venge in lylo, regardless of alignment, is town gamethrowing tbh - very bad odds for town numerically, and that's not speaking logistically.

I don't like

Chick's

play a whole lot and I do understand the suspicion there, but claiming Venge, especially D2, is extremely unsurvivalistic imo

unsure if you know this but vengeful players can't be scum in normals.

xyzzy's profii's vote is bad I guess and since the game kinda needs to move on I'll give intent to hammer.

Oh, well I checked on the Wiki in case, and it does say Town-Venge is the only normal variant.

I don't see why scum-

Chick

would fakeclaim that if she weren't in trouble for being lynched...?

I guess discussing this isn't priority right now.

[Ausuka]

Because Chick is realistically just town.

[Gamma Emerald]

It does answer what you're saying. You're just being dense or scum.

no it doesn't

[Ausuka]

It does answer what you're saying. You're just being dense or scum.

no it doesn't

i'm saying that the vigpool is of players the majority read as scum, i.e not based on my own reads. this is because tw, as the vig, will realistically be looking to target players who are currently seen as scummy enough to get a major wagon, and although i want it to, this does not include Skygazer.

i'm fine with lynching xyzzy if we need to and if I really wanted to avoid that i wouldn't have defended profii. if that happens I'm fine with not targeting sky. all i'm doing is making sure that tw targets in the wagons so i can target outside that and he won't vig my target. as of now, Skygazer is not a wagon so she doesn't fit in the pool of lynchbait that i believe tw would be willing to shoot in.

is this clear enough or do i need to write more?