Newbie 1881 - Game Over

[OkaPoka]

hey nancy would you describe your playstyle this game as asbolute freedom or something else?

[nancy]

Absolute unhappiness

[OkaPoka]

;-;

[OkaPoka]

Wanna lynch sky

[Eragon]

I liked the beginning part of FF’s ISO, it felt natural and towny.
83 I liked quite a lot
164 also gave me a balanced, towny PoV
194 kinda gave me weird vibes
Basically saying that if good town doesn’t die early they must be scum, or at least deserve another look. This seems like a good way to get a mis-lynch in LyLo by not killing Nancy at night and then throwing sus on her for being alive.
208 and a few posts around here. I don’t really like how he is trying to prove Iceman’s reasoning for Iceman.
224 I dont like him saying that he wants a wandering Oka that stumbles into scum day ⅔. Being agressive is normally good, because it helps put pressure and flush out scum.
225 is bad because its never to early to start making reads, and thats how the game starts, by people making reads. And calling Oka for looking for a case scum and needs to die is wolf IMO.
228 votes Oka for being aggressive, I don’t like it
257 also gives me bad vibes and trying to start a wagon
279 is bad IMO because he is agreeing with Iceman saying a fast game is bad for town, which is wrong because slow games mean less info for town which means less to go off of SR’s, which means greater likelihood of mislynching
363 this is where it all starts…. The quick vs FF rage which I’m not going to get
into, but is TvS for an almost certainty.
374 I’m not sure what this is supposed to be, but it seems like unnessecary shade to me
428Ceejay is not the same person and quick, and the scenario is different. You said he acted like he was caught up then said he wasnt. Quick never acted like they were caught up. So this is heavy reaching here.
522what?
523 this shade is unnessecary and is basically construing quick as lying and ye its a bad post
531 was just bad overall
554 doesnt want to interact after saying earlier that he thinks interacting is the way to Townhunt
709very annoyed sounding and sounds pissed off
741you call quick out for that but I saw you doing the same exact stuff mate…
744shade
867 why do you want meta to read, read off this game damnit
1070more shade
mis-repping Oka. He is doing what he accused Oka of doing
[post]1199 I dont like this WK/Chainsaw of iceman
1230 what?
1319but if your more confident in someone else stick to them. Don’t compromise, go for your strongest SR
1393and he accuses Oka of shading Nancy’s alignment….
1567there were reasons for my D1 inactivity and I explained it all… theres nothing I can do about life, and as I said I am working on activity this day.
1639 dont like that he says we should’ve lynched Oka because he claimed VT…
1745 shade
1753telling Oka to “STFU” which is bad, because content Is good for town
1764seems like a scummy PR soft saying “Leave me alone but don’t make me claim my real role yet”

Conclusion: Scum

whats current VC?

[Eragon]

more specifically, where is FF on votes?

Intent to vote FF

[Eragon]

ok at the last votecount, FF had 2 votes

VOTE: Formerfish

THIS IS L-1 NO VOTEY

[nancy]

I don't understand how you think he's shading people in the posts you labeled as shade or just overall how the stuff you pointed out lead you to a scum read at all. This feels a lot like your trinity iso and more like an excuse to hop on the wagon than you actually believing that he's mafia.

[OkaPoka]

Pretty sure I'm being pocketed. I don't get townread this hard ever.

[OkaPoka]

Spoiler: some posts from ice i like

I think I'm a bit lost at the moment. I've lost my town read on Nancy..... Please Nancy come back to town. I wanna believe.

How is it that we have no wagons? Everyone has a vote...... this is a nutso game. Scum is pulling a fast one on us.

So who's been convincing us to move our votes around and reassess our read so that we don't form wagons?

There's more town here then scum we should be able to start coming to a decision.

I'll be honest this is super sus to me.

Oka has been all over the place and not in a good way. He's swinging around and grasping at straws. He's being super defensive and irrational. HE IS SCUM. Why on earth would you jump off a wagon that's at L-2? That makes zero sense. Even if he was at L-1 you shouldn't be jumping off. If someone LOLhammers then we got a another scum out of it. Either way we get a scum.

Come on TOWN we need to start working together towards SOMETHING.

Throw me up on the block for all I care. At least then we'll start getting somewhere. We have 45 pages of content and in that we haven't been able to get a good wagon going. WTF?

We haven't even gotten anyone to L-1. Scum is just trying to wear us all out and make us forget anything that's already happened.

Like, all of this from Ice really resonated with me while reading through, the frustration with the lack of direction and lack of wagons. I really don't see scum-Ice making these posts about what the town needs to fix, and outlining his strategy, I'd see him taking more of a backseat and letting the chaos sit in. A lot of these are posts I do not see scum-Ice making.

I'd see him taking more of a backseat and letting the chaos sit in.

i think skygazer just outlined her play today

still want pressure on formerfish but everyone needs to check up on skygazer please

[nancy]

I think it also describes quick's play pretty well. Can't remember a single thing he's done all game except tunnel on ff. I'm still waiting to hear back from Sky on FF and... I'm waiting to hear back from FF on, well, everyone.

Am kind of unsettled that they both are just not around when we're this close to deadline.

You should probably claim, FF. There's not enough time to risk cutting it any closer, I think.

If I don't get my laptop back tomorrow I'll spend some time in the library to go over stuff.

[Skygazer]

Okay so I have to say I've like ff's play as town much more on D1 than D2. On D1 he seemed p aggressive, you can see him trying to gamesolve at points, and it plays pretty well into his meta from the town game I've played with him. D2 is less active, not really making those posts on his reads, yada yada this has been said before. I also don't like how FF seems so confident that Ice is town? Like, he's said time and time again that Ice is town but hasn't really had too much reasoning at all regarding his townread as Ice. Like, it feels like it's just there to have a strong townread.

That being said: my two strongest scumreads (quick/eragon) are on the wagon so that right there makes me immediately dislike the wagon. Eragon's progression onto FF make's very little sense considering his strong townread on FF for most of D1 and his case looks thrown together to just have an excuse to jump on. FF has also softed being a PR a few times so I've been a little hesitant to run him up today.

VOTE: Eragon

I would not be heartbroken by a FF lynch after that iso

[Skygazer]

(I did not realize the deadline is this close I'm so sorry)

[nancy]

Ummmmmm

Ok

Talk about your eragon and quick reads please!

[nancy]

Also, that is L-1 on eragon

[Skygazer]

Eragon: PoE factors a huge part into it. I also don't like how he gets real fence-sitty with trinity coming off of a townread right around the same time everybody else starts voting for trinity. Like, all he does is point out her defensiveness, every time making a point to say "it looks natural though", but winds up L-1ing trinity anyways. Like, it looks like he wants to cover his tracks knowing she's going to flip town by softening his scumread periodically. He did the same thing in the other game I played with him where he flipped scum, withholding voting for a decent chunk of time, voting for newbie lynchbait D1, softening it by saying "well they are a newbie, though."

[Skygazer]

I don't like Quick's opening jump onto the Flicker wagon, the omgus on Ice, the omgus on FF, the hostility, the desire to not catch up, the list goes on and on but it's weaker than my read on Eragon

[nancy]

I saw someone talkign about my tone, well take this as you will, but im trying to be nicer and calmer playing FM

on my Home site i can get a bit riled up and sarcastic and jerky and annoying, and this annoys me as well.
Coming to a new site, a fresh start, i am trying to be calmer. I can see where this can seem like im trying to avoid conflict/stay under the radar, so i suppose i cant have both worlds be perfect. Im still gonna try to be calm, but i will also push and prod people to help me soldiify my reads

Catching up now

I saw someone talkign about my tone, well take this as you will, but im trying to be nicer and calmer playing FM

on my Home site i can get a bit riled up and sarcastic and jerky and annoying, and this annoys me as well.
Coming to a new site, a fresh start, i am trying to be calmer. I can see where this can seem like im trying to avoid conflict/stay under the radar, so i suppose i cant have both worlds be perfect. Im still gonna try to be calm, but i will also push and prod people to help me soldiify my reads

Catching up now

I'm saying you're tonally off in that sense. Like yeah, it gave me that impression, but I haven't seen that pushing or prodding. You've been passive and all your questions seem superficial. To me, you're coasting and giving an illusion of participating. You called people scummy, but then become wishy washy. Case in point, your reads list. Most of your reads are null/slightly scummy. The person who you seemed to shade, Flicker, you didn't even announce as scum? You never gave an actual read (unless I'm blind) and despite alluding to her being scum, and you being confident, I don't see that drive to see her lynched. Thus, you are scum

Oh my god I forgot about this post

I'm kind of in "fuck this no laptop thing I need to do things in the game now" mode and I'm going over my unaligned reads and I have Sky/Eragon, FF/Quick, so if I take Oka and Iceman out of the picture I have possible teams of

Sky/Quick
Eragon/Quick
Sky/FF
Eragon/FF

Meaning if FF is town and my town reads are correct then quick is always mafia.

Quick scum lines up with the NK, his play makes more sense coming from scum, kinda think if FF is actually a pr here then we kill through quick/sky/eragon, ummmm I should look at quick/eragon to see if I can find anything unaligned there (wm/quick interactions can easily be w/w)

My kingdom for a computer

[nancy]

Eragon: PoE factors a huge part into it. I also don't like how he gets real fence-sitty with trinity coming off of a townread right around the same time everybody else starts voting for trinity. Like, all he does is point out her defensiveness, every time making a point to say "it looks natural though", but winds up L-1ing trinity anyways. Like, it looks like he wants to cover his tracks knowing she's going to flip town by softening his scumread periodically. He did the same thing in the other game I played with him where he flipped scum, withholding voting for a decent chunk of time, voting for newbie lynchbait D1, softening it by saying "well they are a newbie, though."

I feel like you're just saying the things that I dislike about him without really taking about why what he has since in this game comes from mafia or presenting any original thought that would tell me you have thought through this read yourself. Also like, saying that he's scum because of stuff he did in another game is really scummy, your approach to him is angle city.

[nancy]

Wow my phone really butchered that.

[nancy]

Actually my antialigns mean that regardless of ff's claim we should lynch in quick/FF today since there's always 1 between them

Um, I should make doubly sure that I can lock eragon/sky as never the team first

[Skygazer]

Ehhhh not sure if I see scum-Eragon jumping off of a still viable wagon (Quick) to L-1 scum-FF so I'm not sure how ready I'd be to believe eragon/ff

Where did you say you dislike that stuff about him? I don't remember honestly and didn't see any of it in your iso right now but your iso is like 3 pages long so. Do you think the fact about him doing the same thing in another game of his would make or break my case? Because to me it was more of a meta anecdote tbh

I mean, I did talk about why it could come from scum, scum do not like to be on mislynches so by softening his scumread scum-eragon would effectively trying to remove any accountability from his L-1 vote.

[nancy]

Remind me where that vote happened?

Um, I don't know what to make of you saying you haven't seen me talk about any of that stuff. I just brought it up again on this exact page. Literally everything you wrote are things that I have brought up before. That's either extreme mindmeld or extreme pocketing, and you're telling me you haven't read any of my posts about eragon at all??? Ahhhhhhhh

[Skygazer]

Eragon literally just put FF at L-1

Okay yeah you definitely brought up the FF wagon but I didn't know you were including that, I just thought you meant for the post of mine you quoted. Granted you also specifically mentioned the trinity wagon on this page and I remember reading it so I'm just being super dense/spacey rn

[Formerfish]

I'm the doc.