NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

[profii]

Seriously? Xyzzy was, as far as everyone knew, lynched, and said that they were town in what was supposed to be twilight. Like unless xyzzy has a history of twilight trolling or knew they weren't actually lynched (not really possible since Pine hadn't gotten online to resolve the whole thing until afterwards) then I don't see how xyzzy can still be scum to some people. There has to be some frustrated scum in the group that's doubling down on this and trying to push the lynch through anyways. By that I mean A50 and profii

What if it was xyzzy (or any scum partner) who raised the dispute knowing they could get out of the lynch?

Scum would be the sort to track how close to lynch they are and find a way to get out of it.

Also, if one had the intent of raising a dispute, at the time we all believed it was a lynch, xyzzy/partners would know there was perhaps some get out of jail potential in the mix up, so wouldn't need to lay the "you got me" card down just yet.

[Skygazer]

I actually completely missed that HWS is also scumreading xyzzy still because I was looking at the votes

profii why are you assuming it was a dispute??? Like your wording 100% suggests it was a dispute and that's really sus. I'm pretty sure Pine has already stated his policy on replace outs earlier so I just assumed that he was figuring out whether or not Andrius was actually replacing out before enforcing his policy.

[profii]

Resolving an issue. Stand by. This will not disrupt deadline.

I thought this post said dispute, it actually said 'issue'

still issue means problem.

my post still stands.

[profii]

I'm pretty sure Pine has already stated his policy on replace outs

if you look carefully at the ISO, you can see that HitAlts vote moved into nursing the beer denoted by ((HitAlt))

so you can say Pine applied his policy consistently

However, he only stated his policy specifically after the afore-quoted issue was resolved, not before - but the eagled eyed among us (certainly not me) might say, "well history did repeat itself if you look carefully at how HitAlt was dealt with"

however, no one at the time went "hang on guys, we haven't made a lynch due to the HitAlt policy" so I dont think it's fair to say the events around the issue were clear... Therefore I'm surmising perhaps scum were on to it and raised the issue to get themselves out of a hole with that lynch.

now given you've just seem to have insinuated that the policy was out there and it wasn't, it comes over as TMI so I'm going to push for you and settle with xyzzy today.

VOTE: SkyGazer

[Skygazer]

The Gustavo/Andrius vote was moved to the Not Voting category by moderator decision.

[Ausuka]

==> Vote Count 1.7 <==

With 17 votes in play, it's 9 to lynch!

It's crunch time. Once-mighty blue has been reduced to the South American continent. On their turn, blue reinforces their position mightily, with their last remaining cards. Sizing up their targets carefully, the blue team strikes northward, taking Central America to weaken yellow. Green starts its turn disadvantaged. It holds Europe and Africa, but yellow holds Asia, Australia, and the bulk of North America. They wisely realize that their only chance is to starve out yellow, which is fairly overextended, and strike eastward from Ukraine and Egypt, chewing up portions of Asia and breaking through to strike at the heart of yellow's enterprise, pushing as far as Indonesia. Yellow starts awkwardly, with plenty of standing forces out of position and scant reinforcements. They choose to not contest North America, and concentrate on kicking green back out of Australia and Asia. The dice roll well for yellow, and they take the opportunity to return the favor and take Ukraine, denying green the bigger continent bonus.

[L-9]

Elbirn -

[L-9]

MagnaofIllusion -

[L-9]

Ausuka -

[L-9]

brassherald -

[L-9]

the worst -

[L-4]

dramonic - Inferno390, Taly, the worst, HitAlt, HeWhoSwims

[L-3]

HitAlt - Andrius, Skygazer, dramonic, xyzzy, Flubbernugget, Raskolnikov

[L-9]

Skygazer -

[L-9]

Inferno390 -

[L-9]

Chickadee -

[L-6]

xyzzy - Elbirn, brassherald, Ausuka

[L-9]

HeWhoSwims -

[L-6]

Flubbernugget - MagnaofIllusion, Chickadee, Profii

[L-9]

Raskolnikov -

[L-9]

Taly -

[L-9]

Andrius -

[L-9]

Profii -

Nursing their beer (Not voting)

-

No one is in prod range.

Deadline will be extended by one day due to my partial absence over the last few days. My schedule has normalized, and you may now expect more regular moderation.

Deadline in (expired on 2018-07-10 15:40:00)

Haven't thought about it much yet but this is probably interesting to look at.

[profii]

eagled eyed among us (certainly not me)

[Ausuka]

Obviously scum on hitalt is dram but I feel like there's probably gonna on {sky, xyzzy} since there are three people clear there assuming Andy and MOI aren't scumbuds.

[Skygazer]

profii by your logic, if there did happen to be no policy listed, why would scum even think about trying to dispute it?? Like they can't dispute something on a policy that you thought didn't publicly exist so it wouldn't make sense for you to vote for xyzzy in that case.

[Skygazer]

Ausuka I think that's a good point but you're missing a votecount that has HWS on the hit wagon

[Skygazer]

==> Vote Count 1.8 <==

With 17 votes in play, it's 9 to lynch!

Blue's in a bind. They could try to stage a comeback and likely fail, or they could resign themselves to being kingmakers. Screw it. It's a game, and you only live once. They load up for bear in Brazil, and kick down green's front door, trying to retake their former base. Unfortunately, the dice just aren't having it. The offensive is nearly stalled entirely by green's last trooper in North Africa, who single-handedly takes down six blue soldiers. Blue wins a Pyrrhic victory, and takes the territory. Green spends its turn retaking Ukraine and North Africa, and settles in for the endgame.

[L-9]

Elbirn -

[L-9]

MagnaofIllusion -

[L-9]

Ausuka -

[L-9]

brassherald -

[L-9]

the worst -

[L-7]

dramonic - Inferno390, HitAlt

[L-3]

HitAlt - Andrius, Skygazer, dramonic, xyzzy, Flubbernugget, HeWhoSwims

[L-9]

Skygazer -

[L-9]

Inferno390 -

[L-9]

Chickadee -

[L-7]

xyzzy - Elbirn, Ausuka

[L-9]

HeWhoSwims -

[L-3]

Flubbernugget - MagnaofIllusion, Chickadee, Profii, Taly, brassherald, Raskolnikov

[L-9]

Raskolnikov -

[L-9]

Taly -

[L-9]

Andrius -

[L-9]

Profii -

Nursing their beer (Not voting)

- the worst

No one is in prod range.

Deadline in (expired on 2018-07-10 15:40:00)

[Ausuka]

I was mostly looking at the dynamics of dram wagon. I doubt scum were very concerned about which of two townies they wanted to lynch.

Ftr Pine never behaved like this with any other replacement. Like the thread never got locked. Could that mean something? I guess maybe Pine thought Andrius made the game better or something?

[Ausuka]

I don't understand why sky knew about the policy but at the same time I don't know if this is really scum indicative?

[Skygazer]

hmn

do you think HWS could've jumped on the dram wagon late knowing that the claim was coming anyways?

Basically I saw and remembered the mod note I had pointed out and I guess I misremembered it as like a hard set policy after the Andrius replace out stuff went down

I think the thread was probably just locked while Pine was waiting to hear from Andrius due to the potential twilight

[profii]

profii by your logic, if there did happen to be no policy listed, why would scum even think about trying to dispute it?? Like they can't dispute something on a policy that you thought didn't publicly exist so it wouldn't make sense for you to vote for xyzzy in that case.

I'm saying I didn't really notice votes getting removed in swaps, but it did happen

so the crux of the point is, not just me, but apparently everyone at the time of what we thought was a lynch was going "hang on guys..."

so I'm theorising that someone in the scum PT went "hang on Pine, before you flip our bud...."

Or........ kudos to Pine and he just spotted it on his own, as per my first point - no one in the game thread queried it. But it's pro-scum to try and get someone out of a lynch.


I guess thinking about it, the natural process for Pine is to go through each vote and check its where we think it is, as soon as you see Andrius in the count you'd just remove it.

idk. I could be wrong, was just a theory given _no one_ noticed.

[profii]

profii by your logic, if there did happen to be no policy listed, why would scum even think about trying to dispute it?? Like they can't dispute something on a policy that you thought didn't publicly exist so it wouldn't make sense for you to vote for xyzzy in that case.

I'm saying I didn't really notice votes getting removed in swaps, but it did happen

so the crux of the point is, not just me, but apparently

no one

at the time of what we thought was a lynch was going "hang on guys..."

so I'm theorising that someone in the scum PT went "hang on Pine, before you flip our bud...."

Or........ kudos to Pine and he just spotted it on his own, as per my first point - no one in the game thread queried it. But it's pro-scum to try and get someone out of a lynch.


I guess thinking about it, the natural process for Pine is to go through each vote and check its where we think it is, as soon as you see Andrius in the count you'd just remove it.

idk. I could be wrong, was just a theory given _no one_ noticed.

ebwop

[Ausuka]

Aw sweet I rolled scum! That's one down guys, climb on board!

VOTE: Elbirn

Ah look, some WIFOM, this will help us

VOTE: No Lynch

Well this is worse than giving us yourself as scum, Elbirn. Wanna wagon your scum buddy here?

Uhhh. Am I being stupid or are the "replacements automatically unvote" and "lock the thread while asking people to come back" policy different things?

I think HWS could be scum yes.

[Ausuka]

For the quotes from profii I meant to ask if they could be S/S but I forgot to write it :/

[Taly]

Ausuka

, can you see

Sky-HWS-Dram

as a possibility?

About to leave, so I probably won't reply for a few hours - plus I just want to see if our thought processes are lining up atm.

[Ausuka]

I think either HWS or Sky is scum but not both looking at their interactions.

Do you still believe this game has 3 scum btw??

[Ausuka]

I wish I was on a PC rn.

Almost51
MagnaofIllusion
brassherald
the worst
Skygazer
xyzzy
HeWhoSwims
Profii

^ So apart from the person who might be my fruitvend target this should be a complete list of where scum are right? obviously not looking for "you could be scum!!!!" comments just wanna make sure I'm being reasonable.

[Ausuka]

I'm just uninterested in a xyzzy lynch so I'm gonna be lazy and skip their ISO. Mainly want to look over sky and profii again.

[Ausuka]

Ok so now we have Rask content... easily town

Can you explain this profii?

hang on hang on hang on.

Flubber posturers over that mini Rask wagon.
Ausuka then votes for Rask,
if you look at the Ausuka ISO, from my POV there is a bit of buddying, agreeing with my point about the Rask No lynch. Also, she states she has played my scum game 3x, we've also played scum together so she knows I know her scum game.
Then Ausuka gets on 5th place of the Sky wagon - a handy way to get off that town-cred bus flubber vote.

The only reason I went back to look at that is Dave pointed out the lack of opinion on sky, which dave is correct to highlight.

no way is that 2 scum in day 1 but lol if it is.

This post is abysmal.

Not willing to quotewall on mobile but I'm mixed w/ profii rn. He feels towny especially compared to my games with him when he was scum a few months ago. I've never seen town profii but this could be it? Also the willingness to be lynched is towny and I don't know why people write it off as wifom?

OTOH his play seems to mostly centre around voting Flub d1 and I hate the way he calls me and rask scum d2; despite his strong tr on Task earlier!

Am I missing anything important?

I'm probably not going to get responses rn so I'll look over Sky again and then leave.

[profii]

first quote I have no idea I'd have to go look at what rask did and im not doing that at work rn
2nd quote what's abysmal about it?

[Ausuka]

it's twisting the evidence to fit the narrative and I think the fact that you said me hopping on sky was just a ploy to hop of flubber is just evidence of that. There's no reason to believe that over the much simpler "Ausuka scumreads Sky or is just scum making that push"

The last sentence also makes no sense because you're trying to discredit your own case????