Mini 2032: TAZ Mafia: Murder on the Rockport Limited [over]

[xyzzy]

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votecount 1.08

3 players voting for RadiantCowbells (xRECKONERx, xRECKONERx, Porkens)
3 players voting for northsidegal (RadiantCowbells, skitter30, Irrelephant11)
2 players voting for SirCakez (Gammagooey, Kokichi Oma)
1 player voting for skitter30 (SirCakez)
1 player voting for xRECKONERx (northsidegal)
1 player voting for Gammagooey for lynch (Creature)
1 player voting for Creature (Nosferatu)
1 player voting for Kokichi Oma (Varsoon)
1 player voting for Varsoon (Shoshin)

0 players not voting for lynch

with 14 votes, it takes 8 to lynch.

3 players voting for Shoshin for Fantasy Gachapon (Irrelephant11, Gammagooey, skitter30)
1 player voting for Kokichi Oma for Fantasy Gachapon (Kokichi Oma)
1 player voting for xRECKONERx for Fantasy Gachapon (Varsoon)

8 players not voting for Fantasy Gachapon (xRECKONERx, northsidegal, Kokichi Oma, RadiantCowbells, Porkens, Nosferatu, Creature, SirCakez, Shoshin)

the current day will end in (expired on 2018-09-24 17:00:00).

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[Varsoon]

It's honest play coming from the slot, and honesty is something I tend to townread more often than not.

[skitter30]

i also don't know why the tone in ur posts towards me is so drastically different from how ur interacting with everyone else

[SirCakez]

Varsoon's scum because he thinks that Kokichi's faking a townslip when the natural interpretation of Kokichi's beahvior is that he's just commenting on the color, which isn't indicative either way. Varsoon's logic comes from the scum perspective of someone who himself wanted to fake a townslip by commenting on the red color, then saw that someone else already commented on the red color, and so interpreted that behavior as scummy because it was something he himself wanted to do as scum. No townie would ever interpret Kokichi's behavior as a "scummy fake townslip," it just doesn't make any sense unless Varsoon himself is scum who had that instinct himself.

The Reck townread is crap, too.

The mental gymnastics to come up with this are impressive. I laughed out loud tbh.
It is an insane theory of Varsoon's but I don't think your tinfoil makes any more sense.

[Varsoon]

@skitter: 'cus you're engaging me more--it's easier to discuss stuff with you 'cus you're not at my throat regardless of your read on me.

Anyway, I'm gonna watch Die Hard and go to sleep.
I gotta wake up really early.

[skitter30]

@Skitter: Oh! You meant this game! I thought you meant the previous game with the Adventure Zone flavor. Yes--I've also been reading this entire game as it's been posted.

I guess that I've played the 'lets discuss this mechanic's best use' card a lot as scum (see: Color Mafia games) and I've seen scum do it a lot early-game in my own public-mechanic heavy games, so it's a strategy I tend to associate with scum.

Shoshin is for sure sincere, but I feel like they're not looking beyond what people are saying at face-value.

Sorry if my tone is weird--I'm probably gonna be really weird this game in general since I'm working full time which is usually not something I've done while playing mafia. So we'll see how it goes.

ye i meant this taz game; i don't know much about the last one

i was comparing ur tone here to splatoon mafia; you were in a hydra and i scumread u there for a while because you have a ... blustery (i guess that's the right word? idk) tone that i kinda auto-scumread because it feels kinda bravado-y to me but i came around eventually and realized it was a personality thing and not an alignment thing

and that's kinda the tone u have here too, except in ur posts towards me which is kinda weird and i don't know what to do with that

i mean i guess that scum can use setup spec as a strategy, yes, but ur using setup spec to scumread kokichi and townread reck so this seems kinda contradictory to me; and i think that his wanting to tie the gacha vote is sincere and town-motivated tbh

[Shoshin]

This is very simple. Varsoon is scum because town don't scumread players for doing the same thing they themselves are doing. Town don't scumread players for reacting to something the same way they reacted to it. They just don't.

But when scum "scumhunt," they sometimes suspect players for doing the same things they are doing, or for reacting the same way they did, because the scum believe their own behaviors are scummy and thus tend to see anyone who acts the same way as scummy. I know this is a scum-tell because I've seen scum do it over and over and just caught scum for doing this in a recent game.

In short, I don't see how a townie calls Kokichi scum for commenting on the red color when they themselves reacted exactly the same. Like, I had the same thought ("dam, I got a scum PM, oh wait, I'm town? awesome!") and my immediate instinct when I saw Kokichi say that was to think maybe town and in no universe would I ever have scumread him for that. It just doesn't make sense for a townie to think that way.

I think that's enough to lynch him. So, please, more votes on Varsoon!

[RadiantCowbells]

I think that that's probably the least indicative stuff in his ISO versus the most indicative being the bullshit Reckoner read progression and the 'gullible' comment.

[Shoshin]

Yes, those two things are also scummy. But I was clarifying this logic because SirCake seemed lost when it's actually pretty straightforward.

I think all are equally strong reasons to lynch him.

[SirCakez]

Mmmk that makes more sense. But it does not ruin my TR on him. I think there's an equal chance he's just being typical Varsoon and being inane.

[Shoshin]

I'd also add poe to the list of reasons to lynch Varsoon.

[RadiantCowbells]

Shoshin list your townreads for me please.

[skitter30]

VOTE: varsoon

i don't like the kokichi read and i think that kokichi's side of their argument made a lot more sense and i think that varsoon was kinda reaching to find something to scumread him for

[Kokichi Oma]

Varsoon's scum because he thinks that Kokichi's faking a townslip when the natural interpretation of Kokichi's beahvior is that he's just commenting on the color, which isn't indicative either way. Varsoon's logic comes from the scum perspective of someone who himself wanted to fake a townslip by commenting on the red color, then saw that someone else already commented on the red color, and so interpreted that behavior as scummy because it was something he himself wanted to do as scum. No townie would ever interpret Kokichi's behavior as a "scummy fake townslip," it just doesn't make any sense unless Varsoon himself is scum who had that instinct himself.

The Reck townread is crap, too.

This is close to earning a gacha vote from me, even though it's basically just what I said. But, something's holding me back which I'll comment on later.

[Kokichi Oma]

Varsoon's scum because he thinks that Kokichi's faking a townslip when the natural interpretation of Kokichi's beahvior is that he's just commenting on the color, which isn't indicative either way. Varsoon's logic comes from the scum perspective of someone who himself wanted to fake a townslip by commenting on the red color, then saw that someone else already commented on the red color, and so interpreted that behavior as scummy because it was something he himself wanted to do as scum. No townie would ever interpret Kokichi's behavior as a "scummy fake townslip," it just doesn't make any sense unless Varsoon himself is scum who had that instinct himself.

The Reck townread is crap, too.

The mental gymnastics to come up with this are impressive. I laughed out loud tbh.
It is an insane theory of Varsoon's but I don't think your tinfoil makes any more sense.

Um, what?

[Kokichi Oma]

Can't tell who is worse in SirCakez or Varsoon. But, I don't think they are partners. :/

I think it's possible that it's just Varsoon here

VOTE: Varsoon

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm amused by the proceedings

@Shoshin I need you to talk about your townreads for me

[SirCakez]

What's the confusion in 339?
Skitter voting Varsoon is irksome.

[skitter30]

y

[Kokichi Oma]

How? Varsoon has been dreadful

[RadiantCowbells]

ur face is irksome sircakez

[Shoshin]

Shoshin list your townreads for me please.

You, Creature, Irrelephant, Gamma, SirCake, and Kokichi are varying degrees of town. Most solid on you & Creature. Not going to say why on you yet because I think I have a really good tell that I don't want you to know about. Reck's nullish but feels town based on role and overall lack of effort to town-tell in a way that makes me think he's going to eventually get into this more strongly. Leaving Varsoon, NSG, Pork, Nos, or Skitter as scum? Except Skitter's probably town if Varsoon's scum, so probably just Varsoon, NSG, and one of Pork/Nos, with outside chance of Reck or Skitter. That's where I'm at.

You?

[RadiantCowbells]

mmm
ok
for me it's

{RC}
{Sircakez, Skitter, Creature, Shoshin}
{Gamma, Nosferatu}
-null line- {Irrelephant, Reckoner}
{Porkens, Kokichi, NSG}
{}
{Varsoon}

[RadiantCowbells]

kokichi is the big one I'm assuming I need to actually explain

I think there's a reasonably strong chance that him/varsoon is svs

[Shoshin]

Meh, almost on the same page, except I don't see the Nos townread at all. Can you explain that to me?