Overkill 1: Serenity/Firefly (GAME OVER)

[Reasonably Rational]

VOTE: BuJaber

I don't like how he's shading RR without voting them and trying to push through a lynch so quickly when we have more than 13 days left to make a decision. I also know from having followed much of Secret Hitler that he can seem really towny and reasonable while actually being top scum (i.e. Hitler).

To be fair, I'm at L-2 now, and they expressed awareness of the risk of putting me at L-1.

-Cerb

If, in 10 days or whatever, they don't return to a push on me because they believe that I'm the optimal lynch for what amounts to information purposes, or at least explain exactly why someone else is a superior lynch, in a similar fashion to the way they've said I should be lynched, then you should be suspicious.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Hello folks. Thank you for not throwing out 40 pages in the first 12 hours. I'm still at work but reading up through as I can between active work (Teacher's life, yo!). Probably not going to reply/question as I go because I always find those weird as hell in large games where someone is talking about something 20 pages ago and the answers already happened. But I will be commenting on stuff, especially since we're not 24 hours in but somehow people seem comfortable putting US into day one mislynch range. That's exceedingly reckless, and a bunch of you know us and a couple of you just got done playing a game where you learned better (at least ... when it comes to ME, and you didn't even let ME get a post in before you tried to pressure us, lol).

~D

P.S. - I usually just shorthand sign my posts ~D so you know it's Drixx. Yes I know what ~D looks like. No I'm not trying to insult you.

[Reasonably Rational]

So I wasn't going to do this but the first two pages are pretty interesting.

RC throwing out mason claim on post one is a thing I hate, but it's RC so like I know that I'm not even really going to know if that's legit or part of some angle he's playing. RC's answer to "What level are you playing at" is almost always "At least two higher than you" so there's that. The volume of "I'm town" posts there obviously gonna draw attention. At least as of the first couple pages, I'm feeling town RC there. He definitely has the range and balls to do that as scum but it strikes me as a fantastic way for him to get people responding and giving him info.

Probably a shit ton of talk about that in the pages to come. I've gotta actually do my job for awhile. Back in a bit.

~D

[Toranaga]

[Toranaga]

what does ~D look like?

[Toogeloo]

[Toranaga]

oh I see

well I like the idea of drixx presenting himself as a single male gamete. it's very artistic.

[Chickadee]

I skimmed the 11 pages that happened while I was asleep.

I don't get the RR wagon. It's far too flimsy to have this many votes.

I was planning on contributing, but it took me all my free time to catch up. Now I have to get ready for work, but if it's a slow day I should be around a bit today.

[Toogeloo]

I don't get the RR wagon. It's far too flimsy to have this many votes.

Thus far, I think every wagon has been flimsy. It's typical day 1 stuff, "thinking is hard, let's kill something and get on to night 1 so I can use my powahz."

[Thor665]

VOTE: BuJaber

I don't like how he's shading RR without voting them and trying to push through a lynch so quickly when we have more than 13 days left to make a decision. I also know from having followed much of Secret Hitler that he can seem really towny and reasonable while actually being top scum (i.e. Hitler).

To be fair, I'm at L-2 now, and they expressed awareness of the risk of putting me at L-1.

-Cerb

How do you feel about Flicker potentially mischaracterizing BuJaber while defending your slot?

I don't get the RR wagon. It's far too flimsy to have this many votes.

What do you consider to be a solid wagon at this stage?
What are you doing to make a solid wagon that deserves a lot of votes?

[Elsa Jay]

I don't get the RR wagon. It's far too flimsy to have this many votes.

Thus far, I think every wagon has been flimsy. It's typical day 1 stuff, "thinking is hard, let's kill something and get on to night 1 so I can use my powahz."

I concur that is my thought process.

Maybe you don't have any amazing powers so you want to extend it, but in Multiball, I feel this is the best option anyway. Getting a claim, at least.

We have to look out for anything you know. Even Scum 1 v Scum 2.

[Thor665]

Any game that can have 20 pages of RVS in 24 hours needs some dead bodies.
Anyone who doesn't see that is being silly.

[Chickadee]

VOTE: BuJaber

I don't like how he's shading RR without voting them and trying to push through a lynch so quickly when we have more than 13 days left to make a decision. I also know from having followed much of Secret Hitler that he can seem really towny and reasonable while actually being top scum (i.e. Hitler).

To be fair, I'm at L-2 now, and they expressed awareness of the risk of putting me at L-1.

-Cerb

How do you feel about Flicker potentially mischaracterizing BuJaber while defending your slot?

I don't get the RR wagon. It's far too flimsy to have this many votes.

What do you consider to be a solid wagon at this stage?
What are you doing to make a solid wagon that deserves a lot of votes?

Well, not much, considering I've been asleep for most of the game so far.


I just think it's too early to be pushing people to claims on flimsy reasoning. The more roles we push out, the more it helps scum.

[Reasonably Rational]

I don't get the RR wagon. It's far too flimsy to have this many votes.

Thus far, I think every wagon has been flimsy. It's typical day 1 stuff, "thinking is hard, let's kill something and get on to night 1 so I can use my powahz."

I concur that is my thought process.

Maybe you don't have any amazing powers so you want to extend it, but in Multiball, I feel this is the best option anyway. Getting a claim, at least.

We have to look out for anything you know. Even Scum 1 v Scum 2.

On what basis are you going to make decisions about how to utilize your powers if you just rush to night? There is a point of diminishing returns as far as content on D1 is concerned, but that point happens when people stop talking.

Any game that can have 20 pages of RVS in 24 hours needs some dead bodies.
Anyone who doesn't see that is being silly.

We left RVS on post 5 or whatever, whenever RC made his mason claim and people voted him for it. Claiming otherwise is simply disingenuous.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Well, not voting him for it, but basing actions on that particular post and the reactions to it, rather than on nothing(as is the point of RVS..can't be random when there's an actual reason for things).

-Cerb

[Toranaga]

cerb just crushed any reason I thought I had for voting him

[Toranaga]

I hate thor's comment on RVS too. I'm not sure it's alignment indicative for him, but it's weirdly disingenuous and not a real thought he had.

[Thor665]

I just think it's too early to be pushing people to claims on flimsy reasoning. The more roles we push out, the more it helps scum.

Meh.
I'd support a total massclaim Day 1 and would consider it pro-town even with the Overkill in the title.
Also - what about the reasoning do you find particularly flimsy?

We left RVS on post 5 or whatever, whenever RC made his mason claim and people voted him for it. Claiming otherwise is simply disingenuous.

Awesome!
What is your solid and non-RVS top case then?
If you don't have one I'm going to feel like you're blowing smoke up my butt.

[ruru]

votecount

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Reasonably Rational (3):	Toranaga (451),	the worst (462),	Elsa Jay (474),
Flicker (2):	northsidegal (153),	RadiantCowbells (471),
Toranaga (1):	Reasonably Rational (363),
the worst (1):	Skygazer (380),
RadiantCowbells (1):	BuJaber (384),
Vote: Reasonably Rational (1):	Toogeloo (449),
Reasonably reasonable (1):	CheekyTeeky (452),
RR (1):	NicoRobin (473),
BuJaber (1):	Flicker (497),
Not voting (5):	TPFKAP,	Chickadee,	Thor665,	randomidget,	Malakittens (90),

(expired on 2018-10-16 02:00:00) remain.

[Thor665]

I hate thor's comment on RVS too. I'm not sure it's alignment indicative for him, but it's weirdly disingenuous and not a real thought he had.

What makes you think that?
Pretty sure I've always been on open record that Day 1 in a Large is trash posting.

[Elsa Jay]

Captain's Log: Entry 3

The crew seems to have stabilized and is going for the one known as Reasonably Rational. I can understand the caution. After all, He has two heads. Most humans would be creeped out by that, me included.

I'm worried about the multiple factions currently among us, but I believe the best people will come out on top.

Now as long as they don't try and Mutiny, we'll be fine!

[Toranaga]

I hate thor's comment on RVS too. I'm not sure it's alignment indicative for him, but it's weirdly disingenuous and not a real thought he had.

What makes you think that?
Pretty sure I've always been on open record that Day 1 in a Large is trash posting.

well it's not. there's a ton of information in this thread and some people are strong hitting their town metas so far from what I know of their games. you were making reads here yourself. I don't get your RVS comment, it's wrong and IDK what to make of it. feels like criticizing things for the sake of it.

[Toranaga]

I want elsa jay in all my games forever

[Elsa Jay]

well keep me alive and I'll entertain you until the end of time.

[Thor665]

well it's not. there's a ton of information in this thread and some people are strong hitting their town metas so far from what I know of their games. you were making reads here yourself. I don't get your RVS comment, it's wrong and IDK what to make of it. feels like criticizing things for the sake of it.

There's a ton of info, but functionally mining it in a real way is pretty meaningless. It's trash until we get flips. To get flips we need deaths. Ergo - let's move on, or are you claiming we need more than 20 pages of info at this stage to get a flip? Do we need 40? 80? 7,543? All of them have "info" but at what point does town malaise and empty signals overcome the claimed "info" benefit?
I submit it's *WAY* earlier than you think it is.

I disagree that I'm making reads. I'm just trying to get people to say some things so I can make reads later.

You didn't answer my question of why you think I don't believe what I'm saying. You're successfully stating why you believe what you think about the quality of these pages - but I didn't ask that.