Honestly I've been a little distant this game. But I feel like there has to be scum in the nico/mastina pairing and I think NSG has been disappointing in their play thus far, which may be indicative of scum.
Otherwise it's really hard to say. I mean, I just took a look at the OP to see who is here and like, Porkens, Ginngie, Wheme, Nos, and Kuroi are actually in this game?? Where have they been!?!?
the op isn't updated b/c our two mods are lazier than the playerlist.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
JJ defended mastina for role alone.
JJ pushed Vecna for having a post restriction, but backed down as soon as Vecna claimed IC.
JJ never followed up on the Vecna thing post IC claim retraction.
JJ dumped fuel on the fire that is NR.
JJ talked mechanics.
Despite the fact that nothing else stands out from his ISO, he has the most posts in thread. And he's been involved in everything that has caused the issues in this thread.
JJ's defense of mastina has been beating a dead horse. And while he's doing it, he's done nothing else of worth. It's also specifically not a reason to townread him because that stance is the perfect WK stance. It tells us nothing about his alignment.
The Vecna push was good. The lack of follow up when Vecna retracted is super scummy. There's no paranoia, nothing. All of the suspicions he had are suddenly gone, because "Oh, the post restriction was optional."
JJ's entire interaction with NR is low risk for him. No one is going to listen to NR's suspicions about him when she's faking guilties and that is 100% something scum jj would know. Better, his stance morphed from NR's inconsistencies are because she's terrible to NR couldn't fake a guilty on town like this to NR is good enough to tailor her meta to fool a single player when confronted with meta that shows his stance is wrong.
In post 3507, jjh927 wrote:I also still think her rolecop would give her the full PM because again, this is a theme game
Better point, and worth considering. But attempting to convince NR that she's scum instead of engaging other people to try to convince them/hear their reasoning is, again, counterproductive. Whether or not she is in fact scum. And if you stop tunneling her for a minute I think you'll realize that.
In post 3514, Jingle wrote:In that particular game she was a mason with mastina and got into an argument with someone (also town) over a very similar step in logic (hideously OP interaction can't possibly exist) that presupposed information she didn't have. In her defense, a lot of this was caused by another set of players, one scum and one town, fakeclaiming mason together. Fair warning,
In post 3518, jjh927 wrote:That legitimately sounds like a perfect game to trial the meta shit on
I'm not looking macro here
it's not gonna be a fun read.
Again, no follow up. No reconsideration of his read. He just pivots to argue NR is scum for a different reason.
And yet, despite this being the summation of his ISO:
Bonus points!~ This is not a towny usage of his ability!
Using mastina's gladiate is optimal mechanically. Even if you disagree with me, JJ doesn't. Provably, because he's only said it about 1000 times.
There are two possible results from him using his ability here. 1. We don't get to use the mislynch doctor. 2. We have less accountability for votes than we already did. Both of those are proscum.
And yet, he only brings up this plan when I've already mentioned that we should just scumhunt as though mastina doesn't exist.
In post 4171, Gamma Emerald wrote:Here’s the thing: he gave a warning. That alone makes it more towny. Plus: it’s an RC Upick, so you really think this speculation of this being a pro-scum ability means jack shit?
Yeah, you see, saying I'm going to hammer anything that gets to L-1 is not more towny than hammering anything that gets to L-1. It's in fact pretty much the opposite.
FWIW, Nico/Mastina might still be a mechanical 1v1 and Nico really needs to ask the mod the question I've told her to ask repeatedly so we can solve that.
Okay I like your posts here and the lack of follow up after an IC retraction seems dubious at best but wtf is that reads list??
Seriously, you just said NR and Mastina should be a 1v1 and yet they are both town. Kuroi is top town because?? and I am apparently paired with Vecna, NSG, and jjh which is just too good XD
Anyway, I thin kjjh definitely should have more to them with almost 600 posts but I am never going to read that so I'll take your word for it.
jjh may see mastina's gladiate as mechanically optimal, as it is according to claim, but only if it is used. mastina not using it means it is useless so why are we waiting and betting the game on it?
Also, mastina and NR MIGHT be a mechanical 1v1. I'm townreading both of them independently. I'd like to know if they are a mechanical 1v1 because then I know I'm wrong, but I need to have Nico ask a question I've quoted like 5 times or have her flip so I can ask it publically to find out.
In post 4189, Jingle wrote:Also, mastina and NR MIGHT be a mechanical 1v1. I'm townreading both of them independently. I'd like to know if they are a mechanical 1v1 because then I know I'm wrong, but I need to have Nico ask a question I've quoted like 5 times or have her flip so I can ask it publically to find out.
Good luck with that. She's great! But following directions, especially when asked directly, seems not to be her strong suit
Sure, it might appear towny on the surface. But both possible outcomes are proscum.
Announcing you're going to do a proscum thing doesn't make it not scummy. It just means you can say "I warned you" when people go to lynch you afterwards. Which is scummy.
Sure, it might appear towny on the surface. But both possible outcomes are proscum.
Announcing you're going to do a proscum thing doesn't make it not scummy. It just means you can say "I warned you" when people go to lynch you afterwards. Which is scummy.
Or it can give you a chance to use a cool role without imploding the game?
Like I say, scum don't use this role here. They wait until like D7 and drop a bomb for victory points!
It makes it objectively harder to get a lynch on anyone not currently being wagoned. Current wagons: NR who jj is pushing and Mastina, who JJ is hard townreading. That means the odds that we hit a scumlynch if JJ is scum (hint, he's not scum with either of those two) is functionally 0%.
It makes it so that we can't use the gladiate to clear someone if we don't reach a consensus.
It means we have a high likelihood of No Lynching without any mechanical advantage gained.
It removes the accountability we do have for our lynches by artificially forcing mastina to hipfire or abandon her role for the day, with a handicap of anyone who doesn't unvote before his ultimatum being essentially useless for the rest of the day, feeding the thread apathy.
It apparently gets him towncred.
The other option, of course, is to hope he makes it to super late game to maybe get an autowin out of the role.
Both are options. Using the role at all is inherently a scum move.
This role is super negative utility but roughly half the roles in this game we've seen so far have little to no utility so I don't think it's that bad?
Noble of the house of light. Professional Daydreamer.
^Literally the problem with JJ's role. Now we not only have people not voting because they can't be bothered to play, we also have people not voting because he's threatening to take their voice away from them.
