Witches' Halloween Ball [Game Over]

[Firebringer]

i just read one of the old dance games we played guys.

man i was so funny and entertaining that game. what happened to old firebringer.
he was a pretty cool dude.

[Gamma Emerald]

OK, fair. I will only scumread you because of Shortaru instead, not because you're not reading everything as a replace-in

It makes a lot more sense to me to do DVA/short slot earlier in the order b/c I think short slot/Nancy is almost lock scum at this point considering the real identity and LLD interactions.
@RC

Nope.

Great argument

Im still pretty lost on what specifically makes Nancy scum vía short being House

[MariaR]

I also think the argument of 'wake was pulling the newbie card to mask his scumplay' to be pretty weak since he was clearly trying to evade his ban.

Depends how he used it. As I already stated

I find it very funny I have said Dun and Mari are mafia and yet Dun pretends like he had some thing on me causing him to view me as mafia!

Yet he doesn't!

Please kill Dun and Mari. Thank you

I am prepared to leave the dance with my partner for this.

Fake as hell. You wouldn't and you're not gonna period. Scum saying they're gonna leave the dance and never gonna. What happen to you doing this before with Kokichi? What happened to that read?

*inb4 I'm accused of being scum trying to avoid a mala lynch*

Yeah Cakez/Mala feels town to me. I like this post

I'm just mostly putting it out there that LLD's interactions with Short makes him more likely town, and the argument of "he was house" and "he was pretending to be newbie" doesnt hold strong enough for a scumread to form there.

Can you get quotes <3

[Firebringer]

for some reason i thought we were in pre dance again.
i think i am a time traveler now

[MariaR]

VOTE: Maria

starting to care less about which of my bottom 3 pairings we do rn

I think you should trust my read of her

I also doubt that our pair makes it to the very end anyways

Any pairing with me will never make end game because my scum range is so huge any post I make can be faked *snickers*

Sakura just be quiet, you're really going to keep pointing to one game I read Maria wrong and act like that means I should never be trusted when rc has read me wrong a handful of times and you're not going to say anything

Oh shit Dunn might be town.

tbh the biggest reason I want your pair dead is that i sincerely doubt that LLD's "the four of us" post only involves town and her and i think sircakez has the highest town equity of the group
i think maria could be the scum instead of you possibly but killing you two and getting townflips basically confscums cakez and even that i think is unlikely, i think we're getting at least one scum killing you/maria and i'm not rly that sure of who it is

Why is it so impossible for LLD to do that with 3 other town? It's not you're just assumning LLD would make that with a partner in the pairings. It's really bad logic

also dunn you can't read maria. that's an objective fact. she would agree with me on that. so don't say that you can. at least maria's ability to read you has some ability to sway me in a different situation

Sadly true

I know you don't have a big reason to scumread Maria :/ can you not compromise on my pair?

I don't, but I'll also never be able to townread her. I know that's my fault for being terrible at reading her. I actually pestered Fakegod like... 5 times? for spoilers in BoR, just because I wanted to know what Maria was. And he held out on me 0.o

I had no idea what she was, and I have no idea how I was supposed to know after I looked over her iso after her flip

She's a PoE lynch who I have some reasons to think could plausibly be scum. I'd prefer Cakez but I'm not deadset on him. If compromising on Maria means moving the game forward, yeah ok whatever.

Wait didn't you say you jelled with me? So how can you say here that you can't read me? Or am I thinking of a dif game.

[Dunnstral]

Where was this dislike pre-dance? Seems very sudden which really irks me.

I pretty much had this game tuned out pre-dance because I was wrapping up my newbie game (perfect town win, fun times) and you experienced players were talking a bunch of stuff I couldn't begin to relate to anyway.

[MariaR]

i don't think its a compromise to lynch maria here.
although i will also admit i am never 100% certain of her towniness but i think lynching dunn/maria is wrong move.

Someone who can admit that they'll forever have paranoia of me? Ugh this is a great day although I already knew this about a lot of the players here. I thank you for being able to say so though. Like I do understand paranoia about me because I'm a good scum player and just townreading me would be hard for people. I do get it but it still doesn't feel good when I feel I'm getting pushed sometimes (not here only by RC a little and maybe sakura) for being me

that said i think that the play here is to kill mariastral and if double town then we have very good odds that cakez/mala gets us a scums

mmmm na I don't see why cakez is scum.

i paired with her because i told her flat out i could easily read her if she played with me
in the dance thread she said fuck off you can't read me i refuse to engage with you at all so I suicided, and even then i didn't suicide to take her out

i suicided to make a point of firebringer being scum.

that last part isn't true
you told me post game that you thought i was scum but suicided because lld wasn't cooperating and had to be cleared because she was playing to scum win.

Yeah I was gonna comment on this. I just assume that RC forgot and his mind/ego made it seem that x happened when y happened but x makes him look better so he believes it

[MariaR]

Sakura why can't those posts be town? I think a scum me and lld would try to divide and win like that. We don't really need each others help ya know? I can somewhat see why you think scum can be in that but why can't it just be town?

[MariaR]

After the catch up the only read that really changed is fire posting seeming a bit more towny to me along with Dunn

[Firebringer]

whats ur read on mala?

[DVa]

Wait didn't you say you jelled with me? So how can you say here that you can't read me? Or am I thinking of a dif game.

No that was me discussing BoR here. I did feel like I gelled with you, but that didn't make me feel certain you were town... hard to explain but there have been times in the past but sometimes I feel I townread people. I really wanted FakeGod to confirm you were town so that I could see if that feeling held.

Recently completed game is good example--I felt like I was seeing eye-to-eye with Elsa and ofhrz through most of the game, but then I wouldn't gel with them on one or two important reads, so of course they both end up being scum

I was hoping that sense would in time let me townread you but since it's not even applying here it's kinda 0.o

I don't even know anymore man. Also kinda strung out rn from that game that just finished lol

[Firebringer]

how does everyone feel about a mala lynch ignoring cakez side?

[MariaR]

whats ur read on mala?

Feels towny but I tr most ate anyway (besides LLD) it feels real. I'm wanting Mala to make those cases she was talking about and give her a chance to you know...do her thing I suppose. I think I want to kill Princess most atm cause I think she's bsing her posting. I can't really think of a reason to tr Mala besides ate but it's like blah...plus gamma posting around cakez/mala is strange.
Pedit: Hmmm now that I think about it a moment I don't think princess flip really helps me

[MariaR]

Like I can see cakez/mala flipping town but if they do flip pure town I think that solves scum gamma. Hmmmmm but I already tr both slots so I should stick to a gamma lynch

[Dunnstral]

i paired with her because i told her flat out i could easily read her if she played with me
in the dance thread she said fuck off you can't read me i refuse to engage with you at all so I suicided, and even then i didn't suicide to take her out

i suicided to make a point of firebringer being scum.

that last part isn't true
you told me post game that you thought i was scum but suicided because lld wasn't cooperating and had to be cleared because she was playing to scum win.

Yeah I was gonna comment on this. I just assume that RC forgot and his mind/ego made it seem that x happened when y happened but x makes him look better so he believes it

He just lies a lot to try to make other people see him as a better person than he is

[RadiantCowbells]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 2#p9475012

and read all the following posts

so maybe

YOU don't lie to make me seem worse than I am

and I don't have to correct you when you say absolute fucking garbage

fuck you dunnstral i'm never playing mafia with you again.

[RadiantCowbells]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 6#p9475016

in case you're too lazy to scroll down, my second post after leaving the dance

[RadiantCowbells]

literally every post i made after leaving the dance was about how firebringer needed to die

i wouldn't have stepped out had LLD not been refusing to engage me, yes, but fundamentally I stepped out to get Shiro to leave the dance and the evidence is all there in the thread

YOU chose to change what happened in your mind because people refuse to see good of me no matter what I do.

[RadiantCowbells]

LIKE NONE OF THE 3 OF YOU ACTUALLY WENT BACK AND READ THE GAME BUT YOU ALL INSISTED THAT I WAS LYING ABOUT SOMETHING I WAS OBVIOUSLY TRUTHFUL ABOUT.
DUNNO MAYBE ITS NOT ME THAT HAS THE PROBLEM WITH LYING ABOUT WHAT I'VE DONE, MAYBE YOU GUYS JUST DONT WANT TO GIVE ME AN OUNCE OF CREDIT FOR A POUND OF SUCCESS.

[Firebringer]

post right before ur post of leaving the game buddy:
Subject: Midsummer Night's Revelry - [Game Over]

LLD has expressed intent to not communicate whatsoever in neighbour chat so I'm probably going to step out today so the shot is made before scum knows the right shots.

you did not step out to get shiro to leave. U didn't talk to shiro all game up until that point from everything I know of, shiro was very inactive and townread me all game anyways.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yes, I was going to step out before endgame anyway. My partner was not communicating so she had to go before endgame. The specific timing of it was to get you killed and even a cursory read of the game shows that
so either you are cherry picking quotes to make me look bad or you are too fucking stupid to read a thread and I really don't think you're too fucking stupid to read a thread so I'm going to assume malicious intent.

Subject: Midsummer Night's Revelry - [Game Over]

@Shiro I'm town. If you're town please step out of the dance.

If I can't get Fire lynched now I'm just going to step out to confirm that I'm town to get you to lynch him.

[Firebringer]

LIKE NONE OF THE 3 OF YOU ACTUALLY WENT BACK AND READ THE GAME BUT YOU ALL INSISTED THAT I WAS LYING ABOUT SOMETHING I WAS OBVIOUSLY TRUTHFUL ABOUT.
DUNNO MAYBE ITS NOT ME THAT HAS THE PROBLEM WITH LYING ABOUT WHAT I'VE DONE, MAYBE YOU GUYS JUST DONT WANT TO GIVE ME AN OUNCE OF CREDIT FOR A POUND OF SUCCESS.

i will tell u the same thing i have always told u in the thousand plus conversations with you i have had.

u are good but u let ur ego get in the way.

i am not even accusing u of lying ur memory of events often has some revisionist aspect of it and i think its ur ego doing it to u.

[RadiantCowbells]

No really you can stop ignoring the fucking army of posts where i was calling you scum and saying you had to die and pick the 1 post where I talked about how I also needed to leave because of LLD.
Which, me needing to leave because of LLD doesn't mean I have any timer to leave. Needing Shiro to step the fuck out of the game and not have bad lynches made that weren't based on your flip? that had a timer.

and if you had any ounce of intellectual honesty regarding that game what i'm saying is an obvious fact particularly given the sheer # of posts where i talk about you being scum, but its okay you're being a fucking asshole to me i'm used to it

[RadiantCowbells]

LIKE NONE OF THE 3 OF YOU ACTUALLY WENT BACK AND READ THE GAME BUT YOU ALL INSISTED THAT I WAS LYING ABOUT SOMETHING I WAS OBVIOUSLY TRUTHFUL ABOUT.
DUNNO MAYBE ITS NOT ME THAT HAS THE PROBLEM WITH LYING ABOUT WHAT I'VE DONE, MAYBE YOU GUYS JUST DONT WANT TO GIVE ME AN OUNCE OF CREDIT FOR A POUND OF SUCCESS.

i will tell u the same thing i have always told u in the thousand plus conversations with you i have had.

u are good but u let ur ego get in the way.

i am not even accusing u of lying ur memory of events often has some revisionist aspect of it and i think its ur ego doing it to u.

u just lied about the past to make me look worse then accused me of having a revisionist aspect so idk just stop talking to me.

[Dunnstral]

you told me post game that you thought i was scum but suicided because lld wasn't cooperating and had to be cleared because she was playing to scum win.

I mean, I assumed that firebringer was talking about a personal conversation you two had after the fact, in which case really it becomes a case where one of the two of you are lying, though admittedly it was a little aggressive to assume that the person who would have to be lying would be you right away. Unless I'm misunderstanding the whole situation

And really? You have a serious problem with changing what happened in your own mind. Like, you hard townread me all game in fallout? Really?

What I really have an issue with, with you this game, is you coming in here going "Dunn and Maria need to die because they're advocating going against the plan"

I ask you to point out where I'm advocating against the plan, twice (I never did) - your story changes to "I'm scumreading Dunn" - OK, I point out that your history at reading me is abysmal and your reply was the most self delusioned thing I've ever seen, I'm still not sure whether you actually believe that or if it's all bravado - somewhere along the line you say I'm tricking people by starting a wagon on sircakez and Mala (Which I never did) - you then say you're scumreading Maria too and at this point it's clear that you're just throwing everything at us to get us lynched for whatever reason