micro 833: a coalition (D O N E)

[DVa]

Would you be able to talk about some other reads, please DVa?
What else is on your mind?

who you wanna know about?

[probs a robot]

Surprise me. I know nearly nothing about human minds, so am very easy to surprise!

I suppose it was sitting in the back of my mind that you had the first post, fluffed, then disappeared.
Then came back into the thread buddying Gamma.

Your comment about Tes' post was nothingish.
Something is unsettling about skitter's posting so far, but I do not feel that your questioning of her is conducive to her providing sortable content.
Just lots of little things like this, which don't make me want to read you strongly one way or the other.

Let's try something else. Why are you townreading Gamma?

[DVa]

I feel like taking a quick gut reaction to Yuriko, rather than something more calculated, felt pretty townie for him. Also, how do I say this... I feel like he wouldn't have accepted the dance so quickly if he was scum. That's hard to explain since it's a joke about mechanics from another game, but basically I feel like he's a lot more cautious as scum, and he doesn't feel cautious to me here, he feels very natural

[DVa]

What do you think of NSG right now?

[DVa]

pedit: For what it is worth, I believe that questions with a finely-veiled agenda are town indicative.
Nonsensical questions which never go anywhere are scum indicative.
If I am reading your lines of enquiry correctly, I believe you are town.

I know you said this but I guess I wanted to make sure I understood why you were townreading her for this:

i wonder, do robots dream of fluffy electric sheep?

what do you think?

which is what you're commenting on right?

[probs a robot]

I feel like taking a quick gut reaction to Yuriko, rather than something more calculated, felt pretty townie for him. Also, how do I say this... I feel like he wouldn't have accepted the dance so quickly if he was scum. That's hard to explain since it's a joke about mechanics from another game, but basically I feel like he's a lot more cautious as scum, and he doesn't feel cautious to me here, he feels very natural

What is your experience with Gamma Emerald? Is this informed by experience or merely a reactionary gut feeling?

pedit: For what it is worth, I believe that questions with a finely-veiled agenda are town indicative.
Nonsensical questions which never go anywhere are scum indicative.
If I am reading your lines of enquiry correctly, I believe you are town.

I know you said this but I guess I wanted to make sure I understood why you were townreading her for this:

i wonder, do robots dream of fluffy electric sheep?

what do you think?

which is what you're commenting on right?

No, hold on and I will retrieve the post I was referring to.

What do you think of NSG right now?

northsidegal is very strongly town.

[probs a robot]

also, this is kind of just a general statement i want to make but also kind of responds to some things that yuriko said about me: i tend to ask a lot of questions without revealing the intent behind those questions. after all, wouldn't that defeat the point? i can totally understand people looking at them and thinking that they're empty, i'm guilty of the same thing for other people really, but if you think they have no intent behind them then i would ask that you just ask me what i was trying to get at with them. the second part of what i wanted to say was that there are a few things that i'm waiting to say for ~reasons~. it seems like more than other people i tend to think that there's information to be gained by waiting.

This is the post I was referring to most directly.

[northsidegal]

perhaps it's a little basic / level-0 thinking to say this and it's not actually the sort of thing that's reliably partner-indicative, but that's the instinctual feeling i get looking at it

tbh the way I present my townreads bothers a lot of people, I don't like to overexplain them, often overemphasize them, and sometimes, every now and then, I'm even wrong

but robot does seem pretty townie here so far and I kinda don't get the sense you are scumreading robot so...?

what i'm about to say might sound vaguely offensive but i don't intend any by it at all

i think that objectively it's too early to townread robot right now and i think that if you

do

townread him then your standards for a townread would be so low as to be townreading almost all of the playerlist or your standards would be so low that you would be pockted by scum in nearly every game you play (which i don't think is the case for you as town, hence my suspicion)

here you also seem to indicate that most of the reason for your heal on the slot comes from robot, but in 141 when you healed him it seems like you were going more off of invisibility / musicjax. which is it?

[DVa]

What is your experience with Gamma Emerald? Is this informed by experience or merely a reactionary gut feeling?

Gamma is the person I've played the most with. I joined this game when I saw he had joined

I got a good feeling for his play in Dolphins and correctly sorted him in RVS in Boundaries of Reality and I've felt pretty confident in my ability to sort him quickly since.

[DVa]

i think that objectively it's too early to townread robot right now and i think that if you do townread him then your standards for a townread would be so low as to be townreading almost all of the playerlist or your standards would be so low that you would be pockted by scum in nearly every game you play (which i don't think is the case for you as town, hence my suspicion)

here you also seem to indicate that most of the reason for your heal on the slot comes from robot, but in 141 when you healed him it seems like you were going more off of invisibility / musicjax. which is it?

both.

I was townreading invisibility, and I was townreading robot. Robot came in very aggressively sorting which seems pretty town indicative, and the paranoid self-criticism is something I've seen from Invisibility as town.

That being said, my townreads sometimes are wrong and I do re-evaluate. But I feel like my first impression of robot was quite positive. I was very aggressively pocketed by scum in my most recent completed game, but I also managed to flip my read and win at the end. So I am aware of the risks of townreading people, but I also like to see how people react to my townreads.

Honestly I think your skepticism here is great, and it makes me want to townread you

[DVa]

This is the post I was referring to most directly.

and you feel like nsg is exhibiting the stated behavior? I do think that post is pretty townie but not for the reason you seem to, so that's interesting

[probs a robot]

I could see your behaviour coming from either alignment very easily.
Part of my mission is to become better at working through these kinds of conundrums.

[probs a robot]

Do you think that if I replaced into a scum slot, I would enter the thread any differently?

[DVa]

Do you think that if I replaced into a scum slot, I would enter the thread any differently?

I do. I don't mean your meme opening posts, I mean your sorting posts afterward, particularly your aggressive tone

You might come in as scum trying to sort, but I would be pretty surprised if you wrote the posts the way that you did

[DVa]

Agree to disagree. I find your reasoning lazy and premature.

I would be pretty surprised to see this post in iso 9 from scum

I mean, maybe. It's not impossible, but it would surprise me

[DVa]

rn I don't need to sort everyone

rn, I need to answer one question

if we coalition out of:
DVa
Gamma Emerald
The Dark Wanderer
NorthsideGal
probs not robot

do we win this game before page 20?

because I think we do, even if there are some reads that probably need to be solidified. Right now my reads are based on tone, but frankly, I feel like tonal reads are how this game is won on d1

[probs a robot]

It's actually fairly impossible to win on day one without sorting everyone. Give or take.
Also you are sorting the people in that coalition suggestion and it's disingenuous to suggest you are not.

Why is TDW so high for you?

[DVa]

I wasn't saying I wasn't sorting the coalition, I was saying top priority is a 5-man townblock for me. I feel like townblocking is a lot more fun than scumhunting personally (other reason I joined this game), and also more important in this setup. This whole setup is a townblocking challenge.

TDW's reaction to Tes seemed both succinct and analytical, but also seemed willing to adjust his read as posts developed. I feel like his suspicion of Gamma's reaction and posts felt like a reasonable reaction, even if I disagreed, and I liked him sorting NSG as town quickly. I feel like he's not trying to pocket me and I feel like where our reads are different, I understand why our reads are different.

[DVa]

Personally I feel like I will have a harder time sorting Raya, Tes, Yuriko, and Skitter, even if rn I feel like there's a solid chance both scum are in those four, partly because of how you, nsg, tdw, and gamma have all reacted to me in different ways. I actually feel more strongly in NSG town even though I feel like she's skeptical of me but that's partly why I want her in my coalition, if that makes sense

Maybe I've been playing with RC too much LOL

[skitter30]

HEAL: northsidegal
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
Btw anyone else notice TesXX has me in his coalition despite scumreading me?

VOTE: Gamma
Yo guys join me on this pretend wagon.

why?
this might be vizzy's scumgame actually
i don't claim to be super great at reading him or anything but as town he tries to contribute and like ... be helpful even while he shitposts and i've not really gotten that vibe from like any of his posts thus far

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HEAL: northsidegal
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
Btw anyone else notice TesXX has me in his coalition despite scumreading me?

VOTE: Gamma
Yo guys join me on this pretend wagon.

Any reason for wanting this? Do you find Gamma suspicious?

Post is bleh. I get the "helo twonies pls voet thees waegon ok" vibes.

ok, and how does thath post differ from your 'yo guys join me on this pretend wagon'?
also why call it a 'pretend' wagon?

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@mod replace me

i have lost all interest in mafia

bleh maybe he just feels weird because he isn't interested; idk

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Now that I know he's invisibility tho I think this... might... be a little bit more in his towngame tho?

why do you think this resembled his towngame?

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hello robot!

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HEAL: the dark wanderer

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HEAL: probs a robot

Invis was a little less active than I've seen him on what I think was one of his other alts, but he still seemed townie overall, and robot is... yeah

why healing robot?
i don't feel like they've done much ai at this point, although i am enjoying the gimmick alt

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HEAL: nsg

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126 talking about a scumread disappearing i like, i feel like it shows an actual weight put into her scumread on me - it's something that she actually cares about. scum in that position might just choose to aimlessly talk to other people but saying that i disappeared to me

shows that it's something she actually believes.

(the alternative interpretation is that it's just shading me for lurking, but that would be more of a specific meta-related thing as it relates to me. scum might do that if they were familiar with me but i don't think she is)

i kinda got a similar vibe from the following, in that she was doing a reaction test that she cared about and waited for my response before forming some sort of read; i felt like it was something she thought about and cared about and it shaped the way she interacted with the thread and other poeple; idk how well i explained that but it felt townie to me

Spoiler:

ah ok

your first post felt a little weird, like it was written a little strangely; almost a little forced somehow? but i realized from your next post that you might not be a native english speaker

so i'm not going to really consider weird tonal things from you as being much ai either way

Do YoU NOrMALLY find PEoPlE sPeAkiNg IN sTRAnge Tones sCuMMy

VOTE: skitter30
For being racist

:shrug: people don’t appreciate humour nowadays

@skitter: that question was genuine tho, would want some feedback from you

hi yuriko! do you have any thoughts about anyone?

Pretty null right now
Still waiting on skitter’s reply

Re:

skitter

and my language issue, my own stance being, being weird =/= being scum, but being defensive is. I think #29 was a decent response and is not defensive (what I would expect from scum: something along the line of "I didn't say you were scummy! But you're still weird!").

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Robots regularly dream of fluffy animals. Contrary to popular belief, we are friends!

My first impressions of Yuriko were actually very poor. Though you do raise a good point.
I need to re-evaluate whether she is actually scum, or whether her reads just don't sit well with me.

you kinda sound like no lunch from the last iteration of this setup

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but robot does seem pretty townie here so far and I kinda don't get the sense you are scumreading robot so...?

why do you think he's townie?

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rn I don't need to sort everyone

rn, I need to answer one question

if we coalition out of:
DVa
Gamma Emerald
The Dark Wanderer
NorthsideGal
probs not robot

do we win this game before page 20?

because I think we do, even if there are some reads that probably need to be solidified. Right now my reads are based on tone, but frankly, I feel like tonal reads are how this game is won on d1

i do'nt like this coalition rn
the only people i townread in it to some degree are nsg and tdw
that's not to say that i scumread the other three rn either, but i definitely don't townread them

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feel like he's not trying to pocket me and I feel like where our reads are different, I understand why our reads are different.

is that how you think scum!him would be approaching you here?

[DVa]

this might be vizzy's scumgame actually
i don't claim to be super great at reading him or anything but as town he tries to contribute and like ... be helpful even while he shitposts and i've not really gotten that vibe from like any of his posts thus far

Cool, are there specific examples you're thinking of?

[DVa]

why do you think this resembled his towngame?

Feel like I already mentioned this but the self-paranoia and skepticism about his own posting style, but if you can show he does that as scum too I'm interested.

Do you think robot is scummy so far?

[DVa]

i don't feel like they've done much ai at this point, although i am enjoying the gimmick alt

I guess you ask questions as you go through even if those questions have already been addressed later?

It kinda makes it hard to tell which questions are actually important to you or if you're just asking questions for the sake of asking questions tbh

[skitter30]

town - sneks mafia in the mini theme queue - he was shitposting a lot but he also efforted and tried to sort people and read through things and post his thoughts and had actual content

scum - open 737(? i think?) - the worst's pick your poison x|y i was scum with him - he lurked throughout and utlimately got himself lynched for it

scum - gerrymandering - i was scum with him too and tbh i don't remember what he did as much that game but there was a lot of shitposting and very little content and he was kinda blatantly scummy towards the end but because of the unique mechanics he never got lynched even though he should've

like i said i don't remember him in gerrymandering as well and i'm thinking more of the sneks game and the open game
but when he's town i do get the vibe that he's *trying* and efforting
and none of his posts felt like that here

(i feel ike there might be another towngame with him but if there is i'm completely blanking atm)

i don't feel like they've done much ai at this point, although i am enjoying the gimmick alt

I guess you ask questions as you go through even if those questions have already been addressed later?

It kinda makes it hard to tell which questions are actually important to you or if you're just asking questions for the sake of asking questions tbh

i don't always go back and change/remove the questions if it was answered after i asked it

[skitter30]

why do you think this resembled his towngame?

Feel like I already mentioned this but the self-paranoia and skepticism about his own posting style, but if you can show he does that as scum too I'm interested.

Do you think robot is scummy so far?

idk if he does this as scum; this isn't something i particularly associate with his towngame (or scumgame) so it's not something i've ever really looked out far

i don't think robot has done really anything ai