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[Clemency]

yeah sorry i jumped the gun too much
honestly this was even a bit reasonable compared to the stuff i've seen

[Garmr]

yeah sorry i jumped the gun too much
honestly this was even a bit reasonable compared to the stuff i've seen

I been scum read and tunnelled pretty much the whole game because I used "to be honest" a lot in one game (as town). I ended up mislynching the guy in mylo because he wouldn't shut up about it if I remember.

[Clemency]

welp, that's life

[skitter30]

May I join the game?

but in case you're still reading this, no you cannot; you must signup for a game in one of the queue threads before they start
here's the newbie queue; just make a post with to /in: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=72803
and the normal queue: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=76062

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i have some early gut townpings on clemency

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jeez, i guess i'll do the work

@everyone, what's your favourite book
lets talk about

something

at least

atm probably the elderling series by robin hobb; i'm on the last book in the series and i really enjoyed it

@everyone, what's your favourite book

Wheel of Time, by Robert Jordan.

Playing with you was fun too!

i read the first like five i think a few years back but i gave up somewhere around there and never finished it

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Why are you acting so eager to talk but your answers to direct questions are so short?

this is pinging me the wrong way, but i don't know why

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What about the scum play in your last game was really good?

what is the purpose of this question?

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I'm here now too

I've played with Skitter and Flubber before and I think that's it. It's been a while since I've played though so I'm just going to pretend I don't know anybody and start fresh.

hi!

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Anyone else notice the lack of coherency here?

Clemency first complains about potentially having to lead, then later says that he is looking to change his weak townie game, and then admits that leading is his worst townie trait.

Seems that if Clemency wanted to get better as townie and his worst townie trait was leadership, he wouldn't complain at the beginning about feeling like he has to lead. And if he was going to complain, it would probably be more along the lines of "i have to lead and leading is not my strong suit" than "i have to lead and leading is effort".

I hereby state that Clemency is scum playing a chatty opener.

VOTE: Clemency

i feel like you're looking for an inconsistency to push him for here
i don't know why anything you highlighted is indicative of 'scum playing a chatty opener'

and if he thinks leading is his worst townie trait it makes sense to me that he'd complain about being in that position

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I'm just a townie taking a leadership role while being aggressive towards anything that seems off ... why you voting for your top town read Clemency?

i mean just because he thinks that those are townie traits doesn't mean that he thinks that you're exhibiting them rn
did he call you his top townread? i don't think he did, and this feels kinda like you're twisting his words a little bit to me

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i think raya might be town?

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i do think clemency's reaction is a little over the top tho imo, although from 75 i can understand why he's frustrated

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[Clemency]

again, sorry for that, immature of me

[Clemency]

i just wanna return to my quiet life where i shitpost and lurk
bitez za dusto

[skitter30]

nah you're fine

i think the frustration was real but i think it was kinda stronger than the accusation brought against you, if that makes sense, and i'm not sure if you're more likely to have a reaction like that as town or scum

your explanation in 75 iirc makes some sense to me but this isn't something i want to strongly base a read on

[Clemency]

guess i should take this game more serious than usual since none of my shitpost crusaders are here

[Raya36]

@sash and reaper
Either of you have any thoughts on the bji/clemency exchange?

I thought bji appeared a lot more scummy to me than Clemency
Tunneling over a single idea, so soon, appears a lot more scummy than Clemency's posting.
I must also say that I don't take what happens in RVS too seriously either. It's the time of the game when people get to know each other and when rookie scums vote their partner to distance each other

You're right
I sort of agree. I think bji might've been genuinely just trying to get us out of rvs plus it did work. But I do see where you're coming from. Could've been scum trying to put some early sus on a towny. Clemency's reaction as I said seemed genuine, I'm just not sure from which alignment. Both could react this way when frustrated imo.

[bji]

What about the scum play in your last game was really good?

what is the purpose of this question?

I believe that making scum explain scum behavior creates a difficult situation in their mind where they want to come off sounding honest but don't want to give away their techniques. So I think it's a useful question to ask to make scum uncomfortable, and making scum uncomfortable should be every townie's priority #1.

Now ... what was the purpose of you asking me what the purpose was of my question?

[skitter30]

because it didn't look like it had any direct relevance to this game so it felt to me like busywork

[Lady Angel]

Votecount 1.1:

Bji: 2 (Clemency. Sashaddin)
Clemency: 3 (ReaperOfSouls, Flubbernugget, bji),

L-2

Skitter30: 1 (Raya36)
Irrelephan11: 1 (Skitter30)

Not voting: Irrelephant11, Garmr

Any votes on the player Tedoexeshalo will not count, as he is not in the game.

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 1 will end on December 1st, 2018 at 3:30 PM PST or 20 days, 23 hours, and 17 minutes from this post.

[ReaperOfSouls]

Would have been interesting to lynch him up tho. Would that be a first?

[Flubbernugget]

I am procrastinating on this

[Sashaddin]

I am procrastinating on this

On the Texdoeshalo lymch or on all Day1?
Seriously, do you have an opinion on the Clemency-bji friction?

[Garmr]

Votecount 1.1:

Bji: 2 (Clemency. Sashaddin)
Clemency: 3 (ReaperOfSouls, Flubbernugget, bji),

L-2

Skitter30: 1 (Raya36)
Irrelephan11: 1 (Skitter30)

Not voting: Irrelephant11, Garmr

Any votes on the player Tedoexeshalo will not count, as he is not in the game.

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 1 will end on December 1st, 2018 at 3:30 PM PST or 20 days, 23 hours, and 17 minutes from this post.

I am voting Texdoeshalo it's a rvs but still.

[Garmr]

Votecount 1.1:

Bji: 2 (Clemency. Sashaddin)
Clemency: 3 (ReaperOfSouls, Flubbernugget, bji),

L-2

Skitter30: 1 (Raya36)
Irrelephan11: 1 (Skitter30)

Not voting: Irrelephant11, Garmr

Any votes on the player Tedoexeshalo will not count, as he is not in the game.

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 1 will end on December 1st, 2018 at 3:30 PM PST or 20 days, 23 hours, and 17 minutes from this post.

I am voting Texdoeshalo it's a rvs but still.

Oh never mind didn't read the text. I thought texdoes halo was really in the game.

[Clemency]

its ok just pretend you policy lynched him and skipped night 1

[Garmr]

Honestly I don't like the way Raya handled the Bji vs Sashaddin. She gave me the impression of wanting to get involved with out dirtying her hands. Post 69 Enforces that impression to me as she seemed to back off wanting to avoid a conflict with clemency.

Anyway, now that I've gotten a bit of a defense I'll post my thoughts:

I think this is a TvT interaction.

I don't think what bji was saying is necessarily a scumtell at all. Sure, there is an inconsistency with what clemency was saying but I think it's more a personality defined inconsistency than a scum inconsistency considering the context. I think it was a good attempt at getting us out of rvs though and it was more or less successful. The chatty opener scum point is a good point though. I can see the whole leader thing as scum 'reluctantly' taking a town leading role in the game. Not a scumtell on it's own though for sure.

I think the most that came out of this was clemency's reaction. I'm having a hard time deciding if what we're seeing is town or scum frustration but I at least believe it is genuine. The OMGUS vote seems more so to be frustrated town though. Scum would likely be more careful?

I dislike how she calls this interaction a town vs town but proceeds to call clemecy's reaction null and over mutiple posts. As seen in posts 93 and post 95. If it's a town vs town you wouldn't be calling the slot null. She then never gives any reason to think why clemency slot may be town. I have a theory the reason she said it was town vs town was because she wanted to avoid conflict with clemency because his the type of player that will drag you into the spot light.


I might be premature voting now and could of got more information latter on but it may fizzle out as well, So I decided to strike while the iron is hot and vote now.


VOTE: Raya36

[Clemency]

its gonna be one of these games huh

[Garmr]

its gonna be one of these games huh

Yep

[ReaperOfSouls]

its gonna be one of these games huh

Getting the strong impression that this happens virtually every game you are in?

[Clemency]

nah i'm just saying my last game felt a lot more laid back and everyone seemed to enjoy it more
i genuinely don't pay attention to how i word things so there's always a lot of "haha, gotcha! you said this thing this way instead of that thing that way" moments

[Clemency]

not that i mind a little competitiveness, of course
just dont expect me to write essays

[Garmr]

not that i mind a little competitiveness, of course
just dont expect me to write essays

I'm a more competitive player I do acknowledge that players aren't like that. But I will admit mafia scum seems to have a intense competitive atmosphere.