Open 738: Purgatory | LA FIN

[volxen]

Are we going to wait out the deadline here? I don't realistically see anyone besides Dr. J getting sent to Heaven, because he doesn't seem comfortable with sending me to Heaven.

[the worst]

You tell Dr J why Eragon is scum, and i’ll tell Dr J why I think Eragon is town.

Deal?

We have 3 days.


Eragon can even chip in too.

Love triangle.

you go first, i literally have nowhere near enough energy to case Era rn

[the worst]

Are we going to wait out the deadline here? I don't realistically see anyone besides Dr. J getting sent to Heaven, because he doesn't seem comfortable with sending me to Heaven.

ye a few things

i'd rather heaven you than Dr. J

we have valuable sorting time, and i'd say one of me or keyser should be hell'd tomorrow

[Keyser Söze]

If Irrelephant presented a scum case on TW today that’d be perfect too.

[the worst]

like the number of universes where we are t/t is rapidly diminishing

i was seriously considering it up until he positioned my slot so grossly after i'm objectively outside my scumrange since d1

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Are we going to wait out the deadline here? I don't realistically see anyone besides Dr. J getting sent to Heaven, because he doesn't seem comfortable with sending me to Heaven.

You got that right - sorry: I'd rather not send someone I don't tr to heaven and potentially waste a lynch

All the same, imo we should wait a bit. Sorting time +1

@tw and keyser assuming I'm martyred, who should I vote for according to you on a judgement day?

[the worst]

@tw and keyser assuming I'm martyred, who should I vote for according to you on a judgement day?

i'm not comfortable answering this

[Keyser Söze]

Are we going to wait out the deadline here? I don't realistically see anyone besides Dr. J getting sent to Heaven, because he doesn't seem comfortable with sending me to Heaven.

ye a few things

i'd rather heaven you than Dr. J

we have valuable sorting time, and i'd say one of me or keyser should be hell'd tomorrow

No, it won’t be a 1 vs 1.

We are lynching one of the 3 most scummiest mofos in the game.

[Keyser Söze]

Are we going to wait out the deadline here? I don't realistically see anyone besides Dr. J getting sent to Heaven, because he doesn't seem comfortable with sending me to Heaven.

You got that right - sorry: I'd rather not send someone I don't tr to heaven and potentially waste a lynch

All the same, imo we should wait a bit. Sorting time +1

@tw and keyser assuming I'm martyred, who should I vote for according to you on a judgement day?

If we get to a judgement day I would have replaced out by then, but good luck!

[the worst]

Are we going to wait out the deadline here? I don't realistically see anyone besides Dr. J getting sent to Heaven, because he doesn't seem comfortable with sending me to Heaven.

ye a few things

i'd rather heaven you than Dr. J

we have valuable sorting time, and i'd say one of me or keyser should be hell'd tomorrow

No, it won’t be a 1 vs 1.

We are lynching one of the 3 most scummiest mofos in the game.

"the worst is a wolf, the worst is a wolf! oh...nah, it's not a 1v1 let's lynch someone else"

:THNIGKUING:

[Eragon]

Spoiler:

I don’t like this late counter wagon to Volxen. We send Dr J unless someone strongly opposes / scum reads Dr J. Then, I’m all ears.



Volxen, would you prefer, (like me) to stay ‘in the game’ instead of in heaven? I want to send you to heaven in the 2nd heaven phase (if my reads are right).

is it really a counter-wagon with 1-2 votes???
plus we still have about half the game-day left

rel is the only one of those 3 i see as scum atm

Late distancing attempt eh?

late?

LabRat and TW probably...
I’ll case them individually in tomorrow’s hellphase.

Due to content.

I wish Irrelphant had double the posts for us to chew on.

hard agree with irrel

Time till end of heaven phase 1: 3 days, 22 hours, 39 minutes

i'm a rebel w/o a cause and we have enough time left for some fun

funnily enough, rel is the only one of those 3 i see as scum atm

@TW, are you trying to take me out of the game so I'm not around for the hell phase on day 3?

I think he probably wants to prevent a quickhammer and reverting to his other candidate.

we already figured you were only at L-2????
i dont see a quickhammer happening thats not obvious scum hammer

I think he probably wants to prevent a quickhammer and reverting to his other candidate.

I think he wants to lynch me or Eragon tomorrow.

Or bus Irrellephant if forced to.

*cracks knuckles*

...and as scum knew you were 100% town after you’d only made 4 posts, I’m happy with both of you too

first "you" = volxen?
both of you = Volxen & doc J?

can someone else please tell me they see how ridiculous this page is?

Tell me who is scum.

Stop discrediting / destroying good read development

Eragon and I should have appealed to human rights about your shutting down of good reads on D1.



Im the captain now.

REVOLT AGAINST THE ACADEMY.
HUMAN RIGHTS FOR MEMERS
WE DESERVE RIGHTS

i dont trust either of you enough to be capitan.

keyser is a wolf exactly 100% of the time, and you two are probably both town and should both feel bad for eating the bullshit he's laying down

nah. i certainly don't feel bad. i think you are both wolfy, its simply hard to figure out who is worse

rel is the only one of those 3 i see as scum atm

Late distancing attempt eh?

assigning motive to my posting is wolfy as hell. my read on rel is obvious and has always been obvious.
this is, if anything, a rel/keyser distancing attempt.

i'm never a wolf distancing from wolf!rel here.

how is that anywhere near a keyser/irrel distancing attempt?
and who is assigning motive to the posts now, HRM?

LabRat and TW probably...
I’ll case them individually in tomorrow’s hellphase.

Due to content.

I wish Irrelphant had double the posts for us to chew on.

:thionkng:

what about this is wolfy or thinking?
he is wishing irrel posted more, a sentiment i share, especially after playing with them in WW, where they were extremely transparantly towny

this is, if anything, a rel/keyser distancing attempt.

assigning motives

Time till end of heaven phase 1: 3 days, 22 hours, 39 minutes

i'm a rebel w/o a cause and we have enough time left for some fun

funnily enough, rel is the only one of those 3 i see as scum atm

@TW, are you trying to take me out of the game so I'm not around for the hell phase on day 3?

no, why should I?
again avoid assigning motive to other people's posts. when you tunnel me like this rather than asking me to explain my reasoning, you immediately lose the ability to force me to produce alignment indicative content in favour of trying to make me look slightly wolfier.

i think this is coming from town!you

soi beans... so keyser assigning motive is wolfy as fuck and 100% flips wolf, but for volxen you give them instruction?
i smell a rat, and no, its not labrat.

I think he probably wants to prevent a quickhammer and reverting to his other candidate.

i don't even understand what the reasoning is here
again refer assigning motive to other people's actions

a lot of the reasons you seem to ridicule me aren't things scum do fam

have you not assigned motive this game?

Think I know why TW wants Volxen in heaven.

Guess who Dr J town read...?:

I'm absolutely happy with Keyser. I'm townreading him at the moment and more so than tw or lab. Volxen... I'm not sending someone to heaven based on meta. I'd rather send a townread to heaven

VOTE: Keyser


As for the rest, by POE scum must be among them though I am not discounting my possible townreads, tw and labrat, I'm a bit shaken in those by scummy things I've seen

TW and Lab.

i'm not sure what this is even meant to mean

I think he probably wants to prevent a quickhammer and reverting to his other candidate.

I think he wants to lynch me or Eragon tomorrow.

Or bus Irrellephant if forced to.

:thinkggign:

unless it's literally {era, relly, keyser} i guess

pedit: cOmMoN sEnSe

can confirm its not.

keyser's literally just spewing out whatever he can think of that makes other slots look bad

it's very transparently not town motivated so i implore you all to stop reading effort as alignment but yeah i did appreciate your "huh?" response to his most irrelevant shade throw

and your posts are transparantly town motivated and not making other slots look bad?

@Dr J - you are more likely to take sides with TW/LabRat to lynch Eragon I beleive tomorrow.

I don’t think you share the same scum reads as me

:Thonk:
i believe he said he TR's me, at least slightly, and he has suspicion of TW?
am i wrong?

keyser's literally just spewing out whatever he can think of that makes other slots look bad

it's very transparently not town motivated so i implore you all to stop reading effort as alignment but yeah i did appreciate your "huh?" response to his most irrelevant shade throw

This is what you’ve been doing all game.

I will expose you tomorrow.

You want to protect your scum partners and misslynch town.

why not expose him today?

keyser: hey let's send people to heaven based on which wolfy slots they want to lynch tomorrow rather than their town equity

everyone: hey yeah that's a great plan!!! let's fuck up our chances of lynching scum AND send less-likely-town to heaven!!!

i.
dont really.
thank thats why.
Keyser is voting people
to go up to Heaven???????

[Eragon]

As a side note this is probably one of my last games on MS that i’ll Join, but I will take PbR(play by request) so is there an MS discord that I could join?

repeating

[Keyser Söze]

Are we going to wait out the deadline here? I don't realistically see anyone besides Dr. J getting sent to Heaven, because he doesn't seem comfortable with sending me to Heaven.

ye a few things

i'd rather heaven you than Dr. J

we have valuable sorting time, and i'd say one of me or keyser should be hell'd tomorrow

No, it won’t be a 1 vs 1.

We are lynching one of the 3 most scummiest mofos in the game.

"the worst is a wolf, the worst is a wolf! oh...nah, it's not a 1v1 let's lynch someone else"

:THNIGKUING:

I have 3 scum reads who I will focus on.

[Eragon]

keyser's literally just spewing out whatever he can think of that makes other slots look bad

it's very transparently not town motivated so i implore you all to stop reading effort as alignment but yeah i did appreciate your "huh?" response to his most irrelevant shade throw

This is what you’ve been doing all game.

I will expose you tomorrow.

You want to protect your scum partners and misslynch town.

i absolutely cannot wait for this throwdown pal, you're openwolfing and you are going down

spicy duckling

{tw}
{volxen}
{dr J}
{Labby}
{Ausuka}
{Eragon}
{Rel}
{keyser}

what
this might be an ok solve

I knew you and Relly would bus today once exposed

uhhh...
thats been. Rel's spot the entire game

which brings up a new question
why hasn't Rel changed for you?
im pretty sure they have always been 2nd or third scummiest, showing thought they are scum but no intent to lynch????

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why did you spend so much time on this

{tw}
{volxen}
{dr J}
{Labby}
{Ausuka}
{Eragon}
{Rel}
{keyser}

what
this might be an ok solve

I knew you and Relly would bus today once exposed

the fact you're sticking to this ridiculous narrative is just screaming that you have no interest in reading my slot
you've found your narrative and you think it's gonna win this game for you, so you're sticking to ti

isn't sticking to their narrative what happened in WW?

keyser: hey let's send people to heaven based on which wolfy slots they want to lynch tomorrow rather than their town equity

everyone: hey yeah that's a great plan!!! let's fuck up our chances of lynching scum AND send less-likely-town to heaven!!!

You haven’t been paying attention.

Dr J is the towniest player.

Volxen has only reached top town status today in my eyes.

Even Volxen should admit to this too. No way was he a town clear on S1.

*sad*
I thought volxen was clearly town EoD1 ;_;
but also i made an entire case that wasnt "meta" or super early game

{tw}
{volxen}
{dr J}
{Labby}
{Ausuka}
{Eragon}
{Rel}
{keyser}

what
this might be an ok solve

Why do you feel more confident about me being town than about Dr. J being town?

I feel I have a stronger grip of your playstyle than Dr. J's
I feel your contributions have got MORE town indicative whereas theirs were markedly stronger d1

it's a personal greater confidence townread

uhhh didn't you like, super heavily townread volxen Early D1??
so weren't their posts super town-indicative then too?

Keyser I felt was town, but that could change. I'd look at akusa, volx, and eragon. I'm not seeing why those latter two are being widely read as town. These resds are mostly poe. Akusa is just there because I don't actively townread him, he'd be the last I'd lynch. If the three scum aren't in that pool of 4 players, then tw is probably going to be scum. But I doubt it.


Keyser vs tw tomorrow will be a fun read

im not sure which one of you posted this, but i rememebr you(the account) saying i was town?
what changed?

also, you really need to look elsewhere for scum, conf!bias i am not scum, and Volxen never flips scum IMO, so thats at least 2/4 that aren't corrct
i could see both of Keyser/Ausuka flip scum, but not strongly feeling either, especially ausuka

keyser
soze
sweaty

i am voting for volxen because
1) they are my strongest townread
2) we have several days til phase end and i want your wolf ass to suffer
3) i think dr. j is more likely to lynch scum tomorrow
4) you are pushing dr. j's heaven hammer very hard and i don't think you're town
5) i enjoy changing my mind, pushing buttons and seeing how people react : ]

as for scum, look at that tiered read list you quoted several times while asking me who's scum

hes pushing the hammer??

Scratch thst, keyser vs tw is fun to watch now
*grabs popcorn

*grabs cookies*

{tw}
{volxen}
{dr J}
{Labby}
{Ausuka}

{Eragon}

{Rel}
{keyser}

what
this might be an ok solve

if i'm wrong on a wolfread it's era before you or rel
era has towntells as well as wolftells and it hUrTs My BrAiN
it's not you, i am right on you

if i'm wrong on a townread it's ausuka first (content suggests town and i like the way she entered the thread challenging me. but i believe in a pinch she potentially can fake this much (it'd be stronger wolfplay than mafia month but it's not impossible)). her lack of tangible analysis towards your slot is +partner indicative as well in spite of my townlean there.

there's a world where i'm wrong on labby but it's less likely than the world where i'm wrong on ausuka imo

what wolftells and/or towntells do i have?

i'm fine w that
it's mechanically correct for either of us, as wolves, to bus irrelephant given consensus reads and the fact that if we lynch correctly today nearly half the list tomorrow is scum so

do you mean mechanically incorrect?

[Eragon]

You tell Dr J why Eragon is scum, and i’ll tell Dr J why I think Eragon is town.

Deal?

We have 3 days.


Eragon can even chip in too.

Love triangle.

[Eragon]

Are we going to wait out the deadline here? I don't realistically see anyone besides Dr. J getting sent to Heaven, because he doesn't seem comfortable with sending me to Heaven.

obviously

Are we going to wait out the deadline here? I don't realistically see anyone besides Dr. J getting sent to Heaven, because he doesn't seem comfortable with sending me to Heaven.

ye a few things

i'd rather heaven you than Dr. J

we have valuable sorting time, and i'd say one of me or keyser should be hell'd tomorrow

yep.
tommorow is solve-the-fuck-outta-this-game day

If Irrelephant presented a scum case on TW today that’d be perfect too.

does irrel scumread TW?

Are we going to wait out the deadline here? I don't realistically see anyone besides Dr. J getting sent to Heaven, because he doesn't seem comfortable with sending me to Heaven.

You got that right - sorry: I'd rather not send someone I don't tr to heaven and potentially waste a lynch

All the same, imo we should wait a bit. Sorting time +1

@tw and keyser assuming I'm martyred, who should I vote for according to you on a judgement day?

i know i wasnt requested, but if you do flip town in heaven, and we lynch the town in TW/Keyser, that puts us at judgement day, so you should ALWAYS send the other one of the two.

Are we going to wait out the deadline here? I don't realistically see anyone besides Dr. J getting sent to Heaven, because he doesn't seem comfortable with sending me to Heaven.

You got that right - sorry: I'd rather not send someone I don't tr to heaven and potentially waste a lynch

All the same, imo we should wait a bit. Sorting time +1

@tw and keyser assuming I'm martyred, who should I vote for according to you on a judgement day?

If we get to a judgement day I would have replaced out by then, but good luck!

why?

[Keyser Söze]

Can you see the picture yet Eragon?

[Eragon]

Why do you think Creature is scum, and why is he a better lynch than Rat?

He's avoiding producing content at all costs
He's approached this game in the opposite way to how town!Creature approaches games (which is a fallible read, but is a good start)

ergo I vote him and encourage others to do so, so that we can torture him for information!!! >: D

i just relaized this is the first time TW even does anything with volxen, except for first post about volxen being good at solving.

UNVOTE:
Meh, Duck’s posts got so much better. I don’t think I agree with them, but I really like their enthusiasm while talking about their TRs
Not overly townie, but I'm ok with it rn

And I’m not a fan of volxen’s read on me.
The arguments he uses feel underwhelming compared to how much time was he willing to waste writing it
read prob coming soon

why did you unvote me here if you don't think I'm town but are blindly sheeping others?
I'm clearly wagonable in this gamestate. Look at the VCs for D1.
Why didn't you vote volxen here? Can you show me which parts of it felt underwhelming, and why you think that's scum indicative?

then he asks why lab didnt vote volxen

there was some sort of quote thing here i have no idea where it went but this is volxen's post top

I don't feel comfortable giving TW a townread yet, no. I do think he made a good case against Rat, especially in post 297, and I do find Rat to have the most scum equity at the moment, but I'm not ready to write off TW as town yet either.

Where I am currently at is I find Dr. J to be the most towny player and Rat to be the most scummy player. I'm still kind of unsure on everyone else.

@Keyser, I am starting to get concerned that if Rat is scum, you could be one of her partners. As I pointed out earlier, it was just odd how quick she was to attack two different people for asking, in my opinion, completely legitimate questions about your slot. If she is scum it's possible that she is simply buddying/defending town!Keyser, but the way she wanted to shut down both questions about Keyser's slot could be indicative of SvS interactions. Keyser, if Rat is scum, why is TW more likely to be one of her partners than you?

But in any case, do you really think TW would gambit as scum and try to get his one of his scumbuddies sent to hell on day one? I would consider that quite a risky gambit because if he does that, then the only way he could win as scum is if both he and his remaining scumbuddy get sent to Heaven. So unless he's convinced that both he and his other scumbuddy could get a lot of towncredit for busing Rat, it seems like quite a risky play to open on day one by busing one of his partners in a game mode that, in my opinion, heavily discourages busing.[/quote]

and this is TW's post

This post is so so towny
god if I'm misreading volxen here I'm going to feel dumb as shit postgame[/quote]

aand then...

KABLAAAM

volxen is SO SO TOWNY AND IF HES SCUM I'LL FEEL STUPID

That’s just incredibly lazy

Labby what parts of this post do you think actually indicate that volxen is not aligned with the town?
I think you're just tunnelling his playstyle and think he should die for it. if you're town I need you to reassess this asap because you're aggressively driving us off a cliff by clogging the thread up with posts which don't actually advance any gamesolving

and is already WK'ing volxen by his 4th mention

this is honestly very TMI'y

and you wanna talk about confidence on reads?

TW pushes

ME

for having an

OVERCONFIDENT AND UNRELENTING

townread on

CREATURE

, when it was obvious that i was not

100% CONFIDENT NOR UNWILLING TO CHANGE

; and all the while

TW

has done

THIS

read of

VOLXEN

that is barely

THOUGHT THROUGH, QUICK,

and is already

WK'ING VOLXEN

[Eragon]

im feeling a tiny bit less sure on volxen now.

im 100% confident that TW either is reading a scumbuddy as strong town and WK'ing
TMI'ing Volxen town
or is making hasty reads that shouldn't be trusted as much

2/3 of these still mean that i feel volxen is town
but 1/3 of these mean that volxen could be a scumbuddy

[Eragon]

Can you see the picture yet Eragon?

what picture?

[Eragon]

tbh im not even sure if Scum!TW makes his townread and wk'ing so quick and obvious on one of his scumbuddies

[Eragon]

it could definitely be pocketing, but i see no towny motivation making that read

[the worst]

no

this is one of the most interesting posts in the game and I think I like it
remind me to reread it later?

[Eragon]

no

this is one of the most interesting posts in the game and I think I like it
remind me to reread it later?

uhhh sure?

btw im confused where the "no" even came from cause i didnt post "no" that i can see lmao

[Keyser Söze]

im feeling a tiny bit less sure on volxen now.

im 100% confident that TW either is reading a scumbuddy as strong town and WK'ing
TMI'ing Volxen town
or is making hasty reads that shouldn't be trusted as much

2/3 of these still mean that i feel volxen is town
but 1/3 of these mean that volxen could be a scumbuddy

Scum!TW TMI’ing Town!Volxen.

Volxen is also probable town outside these associations with Scum!TW.



I too, scum read LabRat.

FTR: Scum!LabRat was using me as a springboard to attack players for attacking me. The buddying attempt did admittedly work, but now I see the scum motivation.

Scum!TW and Scum!LabRat’s associations / reads/ trajectory’s on eachother are highly suspicious and probable partners.