[Game Over] Newbie 1900 - Robocalypse

[Auro]

• volxen (L-3)

  : Auro, lionheart1492
  

  YurikoJasmine (L-3)

  : YurikoJasmine, Not_Mafia
  

  Auro (L-4)

  : volxen
  

  Not_Mafia (L-4)

  : Lamees
  

  snowbeast, Ariane, Flavor Leaf

Okay, how about Lionheart?

[snowbeast]

So back from my overnight hiking and have reread this thread twice.
As my first game I and not knowing any of you from a bar of soap I cannot judge your character, only thing I am looking for is two or three players moving in the same direction as the mafia need only two of us to believe them to get a lynch.

[volxen]

So back from my overnight hiking and have reread this thread twice.
As my first game I and not knowing any of you from a bar of soap I cannot judge your character, only thing I am looking for is two or three players moving in the same direction as the mafia need only two of us to believe them to get a lynch.

Any thoughts on my exchanges with Auro and Lion?

[lionheart1492]

So back from my overnight hiking and have reread this thread twice.
As my first game I and not knowing any of you from a bar of soap I cannot judge your character, only thing I am looking for is two or three players moving in the same direction as the mafia need only two of us to believe them to get a lynch.

I've never played with any of these people before. Meta doesn't make a game of mafia, look at the content posts you see from a few of the players and try to look for motivation. Just lurking isn't going to work because your current plan isn't really going to work until we have flips.

Response to volx and a few other things coming soon.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, still monitoring the auro/volxen exchange.

I am leaning it's TvS, not sure who is which yet. It could be TvT, really doubt it's SvS

I’m leaning TvT.

VOTE: Not Mafia

My Poe shows this has a chance of flipping red, and I’m curious to see what a wagon here does.

I’m using this vote to help out reading Lamees accurately as well, as I think there’s one scum in NM and Lamees.

[lionheart1492]

And why automatically jump to the conclusion that it was “fearmongering” to paint Auro in a negative light? All I said was that I, personally, would likely have a hard time accurately reading Auro based on our past experience together. I was not suggesting that everyone else would have a hard time reading him, nor was I saying that I would be making a decision on his slot based on our past game together. If I had said something along the lines of “Auro had a really good scum game in our last game together, and he is probably scum here again”, THAT would be fearmongering, because I would be using his past scum game to argue that he is likely scum again in this game, which is not a reasonable argument since him being scum in a previous game does not increase his chances of being scum again in this game.

But that’s not what happened. All I had was a one-on-one exchange with Auro where I commented that I would probably have a hard time reading his slot. Auro didn’t have a problem with me saying that and understood where I was coming from. As far as I can tell, no one else took issue with it either. You are the only person to come out and label it first “mudslinging”, and now “fearmongering”. I think you are overreacting to this, just like you overreacted to Yuriko’s “Why Lamees?” question. And I think it’s fair to say that some people are harder to read than others. So why couldn’t this be town!me publicly commenting that Auro will probably be one of the harder players for me to read, which was then followed by me engaging him to try to get a better read on his slot?

So we apparently have different definitions of fearmongering or something. If you said Auro was good at scum and we should lynch him because you don't want to get fooled again/he has a 100% scum rate in games you're in it would just be dismissed at rvs shenanigans and not worth anything. I consider it fearmongering specifically because you didn't commit to anything about it. You argue that your town motivation would be to just inform town that you'll be focusing on auro but I just don't see why you would do that as town. It doesn't further any discussion and it doesn't serve to start anything of itself (unless it's criticism such as my own which you would be avoiding. If you're mafia your motivation is clear, you see a player who you have some respect for and you attempt to instill doubt in the town regarding that person.

I'm of two minds regarding volxen after these last posts. He could be scum giving a well-argued defense and working only to deflect blame by defending himself, not making any aggressive claims to find "mafia." (it's my belief town has to be bold, especially day 1, or they just won't find mafia) Or he's town that is struggling to find reads in a game where most of the game is just waiting for something that won't happen unless they help make it happen. His push to get auro to comment on his exhange with me was at first scummy (before he had responded) but his responses since have been solid and he's persisted in trying to draw other people into commenting on our exchanges (which obviously doesn't play into the scum motive of defending himself).

For these reasons I shall UNVOTE: Volxen

Regarding the post FL just made I would kind of like some more reasoning but I'm honestly fairly onboard with NM v lamees at first glance.

[Flavor Leaf]

well, basically I’ve been posting little, but what pings me as townie. And I’ve been watching because I don’t have a lot of thoughts on the game right now. Still figuring things out, but with POE, mixed in with Lamees already voting NM, i thought voting NM would be a good way to start a Lamees vs NM, to see reactions that come across from that.

[Lamees]

NM hasn't defended himself at all against my vote so this isnt exactly lamees vs nm lol

[Flavor Leaf]

NM hasn't defended himself at all against my vote so this isnt exactly lamees vs nm lol

It is from my perspective, not yours. I’m forcing it to happen to see what reactions come out of people.

[Lamees]

NM hasn't defended himself at all against my vote so this isnt exactly lamees vs nm lol

It is from my perspective, not yours. I’m forcing it to happen to see what reactions come out of people.

I guess we did get a defensive reaction from auro. What do you think of that?

[Ariane]

VOTE: Flavour Leaf

Having trouble seeing a huge amount of town motivation behind his posts. Sure, PoE is legit (I think I said that earlier lol), but he's doing it in a way which seems to me too passive, plus, it's an easy way to not have a huge responsibility for a lynch (sure, it's probably too early on for that to happen, but still). Unsure why he's outing that this is to force a split between Lam and NM, maybe I'm missing something but struggling to see the point of stating that outright. He said a few pages ago that he'd post more/be more active to help a slow game come along, but he's not followed up on that.

FL, you say yr pretty certain that there's scum in NM and Lam, is that purely due to PoE? Wanna say a bit more about that?

[Ariane]

I'm not seeing the reason behind Volx/lion being TvT. In my (limited) experience/reading, TvT seems to be more likely when 2 people are at loggerheads against each other, but Volx has been more passively responding to lion, rather than properly going at it... most of his posts are talking about others' reactions towards him, with a few questions thrown out, but little of his own content (as in like content which he's created, rather than just being responsive to people talking about him)

I'm not including the stuff on other games here, that reads kinda just like fluff to me, like what's the point of saying 'in this game I'm gonna spend lots of time sorting Auro, and here is a bunch of info from other games which justifies it' (51, 73)? Like even if you felt like you needed to justify it (which I'm also a bit uncertain why you felt the need to), going into so much detail about other games feels like padding yr posts, rather than engaging with this game a lot.

Volx, what's your read on Auro at this point?

[Ariane]

To clarify my vote on FL a bit more, it's largely down to a) PoE which strikes me as worrying, particularly given passivity elsewhere, b) saying earlier that he'd help the slow start by being more active (69) but not really following through. If 69 hadn't been posted it wouldn't be an such an issue

[Ariane]

EBWOP PoE in general I don't mean is worrying, just the way FL is doing it here

@NM do you scumread Yuri?
@Yuri do you have any reads?

[YurikoJasmine]

not getting strong reads for others yet but Ariane seems a bit unnatural

so here is my first non-joking vote
VOTE: Ariane

[lionheart1492]

please elaborate on unnatural

[Auro]

The people around finally began to talk. I found myself generally agreeing with one player, Ariane, and I felt she could be a human -- after all, we had similar mindsets. Seems like there was a lot of vote-slinging going on, and for reasons I wasn't so happy with. Maybe I could be friends with Ariane.

I disagree with Yuriko, I like Ariane's reasoning. Yuriko, you should elaborate on what makes you feel it's unnatural.

I'm townreading Lion at the moment, and leaning Ariane. Ariane's post on Volxen captured my own thoughts on it. Volxen seems like he was more interested in collecting thoughts on him than providing his own and engaging with people. There's a previous scumgame of his I'll look up, to see if meta agrees.

I'm not happy with Lamees' vote on Not_Mafia while not accepting it's effectively a policy lynch.

I would've been happier if Flavor Leaf engaged with Lamees/Not_Mafia instead of splitting them. Flavor, between Lamees and Not_Maf, why choose the latter? He isn't going to make a great defense or anything, Lamees would engage more. It makes more sense to push her instead, no?

[volxen]

@mod I will be V/LA until 11/20/18 (tomorrow)

[MiniDeathStar]

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[Lamees]

We are too split at the moment. Can everyone just vote NM already. Thanks.

[Auro]

Lamees, give me good reason to vote Not_Mafia and I will.

[Lamees]

Lamees, give me good reason to vote Not_Mafia and I will.

You said FL should have pushed me instead of NM and the reason was because he inst going to defend himself? So what if he is scum? You're going to give him a free pass because he does this in all of his games?

[Auro]

No, I'm going to expect him to be checked by an investigative and cleared/guiltied in future days.

What's your approach towards someone who lurked all game till now? Would you lynch them, or would you hunt for someone who's posting and looks scummy?

[Lamees]

No, I'm going to expect him to be checked by an investigative and cleared/guiltied in future days.

What's your approach towards someone who lurked all game till now? Would you lynch them, or would you hunt for someone who's posting and looks scummy?

I know what you're getting at.

Anyway he has been posting and he does looks scummy. I don't see

clear

scum posts from anyone yet btw. So I am going with my read. He is free to convince me otherwise.

[Auro]

I'm telling you he won't. His posts at this point *always* look scummy isolated, but they're NAI. Equivalent to a non-poster.

I assure you he won't try to convince you otherwise. In a hypothetical world where he would, my first sentence is what he'd say.

I know you don't *see* clear scum posts from anyone yet, but that's the point of engagement, isn't it? Why are you so disinterested in engaging with others?