Mini Normal 2041 [Game Over]

[skitter30]

VOTE COUNT 3.9

Penguin Power (3)

- Gamma Emerald, OkaPoka, DVa

Mewtaph (2)

- Nako, Kokichi Oma

Sephiroth (1)

Almost50

Not Voting (3)

- Sephiroth, PenguinPower, Mewtaph

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline:

(expired on 2018-12-05 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

[OkaPoka]

i think we have to action dump except seph who shoot someone else

which would confirm seph town vig if maf shot voyeur

and if three is impossible then we lynch one pr, shoot the other?

[PenguinPower]

so then the next question is, is it possible for there only to be two town PRs?

Highly unlikely as even in a 2 scum setup (in the past 10 games in the normal archives) there are 4 games with 2 scum and they all had more than 2 Town PRs.

[DVa]

so then the next question is, is it possible for there only to be two town PRs?

I think it's highly probable at least three tpr claims are real.

[OkaPoka]

I like my plan.

Lynch PP.

Jail, gs, voyeur me.

Shoot Gamma (?) <- still need to decide here

If voyeur shot and whoever seph shoot is dead, seph confirmed vig. In that case lynch Mew, if town > shoot A50.

If voyeur not dead, only Gamma dead. Lynch Seph.

If voyeur didn't see two actions on me, lynch the person who didn't.

something along these lines

[OkaPoka]

Actually, if there is no chance of 4 prs. PP scum flip should change our plans.

[OkaPoka]

PP scum flip, Seph shoots self, everyone else action dumps me?

[Mewtaph]

zzzzz

[OkaPoka]

mew are u ok with the plan?

[DVa]

Mew you ok JKing Oka tonight?

also, feelings on pp lynch?

[Almost50]

Is GS+JK+Vig+Voyeur that unbalanced? no way for scum to have enough firepower to overcome that combo?

It's unbalance from my PoV. If the JK claim is true then Scum don't have a RB (because we only had one RB working each night, so assuming N1 they RB's a VT then they should've RB'd me on N2). If they don't have a RB they need to have something + Doctor. Doctor is Miller to GS AND is a counter PR to the Vig, but do they have against JK+Voyeur? That would require Strongman or Ninja or BOTH.

Now if I was going to design a game with scum having these abilities I think I'd give one of them the Strongman and give the other the Ninja, but then we already had DrD flipping Goon, so that doesn't compute.

Also the Vig claim is sus because to accept it then Scum either also shot BEF (I don't think so) or they shot me (I wasn't claimed). If they shot me, then they did get my crumb, but then they should have shot me again knowing I won't be JK'd again. It is not possible in a Normal game so small to have both a JK AND a Doctor on the same side. Scum would know that I won't be protected if the JK claim was true.

Si, to sum it up: Mew is NOT a JK. He's a SCUM DOCTOR. Seph isn't a Vig. He's a SCUM ROLEBLOCKER.

Scum: RB+Doc+Goon vs Town: GS+Voyeur+8 VTs is probably balanced. Scum Doc is merely a named Goon that is meant to be a "Godfather-esque" role, only it is NORMAL, which is why the designers used the GS rather than an Alignment Cop.

So, the Scum team in effect becomes: GF+RB+Goon vs Town -effectively of- Cop & Voyeur. The Voyeur is the role that can catch the GF-esque role because the GS can't.

[Almost50]

That setup could result in a D2 win for town perfectly played without a scum doctor or roleblocker/jailkeeper.

^^^

[Nako]

VOTE: Sephiroth

[Almost50]

what if there was 4 scum? or 3 + 1(traitor) scum? Firepower vs firepower

That's even worse. 9 v 4 AND a Town Vig = D2 potentially LyLo already (1 mislynch on D1 + 2 NKs on Town on N1).

Also what PP said re 4 TPRs. It could be that we lynch Scum on D1 and the Vig shoots another on N1 while either I or DVa catch the third on N1 meaning the game is over on D2.

Any way you slice it, someone's lying, and it sure as hell ain't me.

[DVa]

Scum either also shot BEF

Once again, there was exactly one killing action on BEF, there was not a duplicate kill

also, to be clear, if Seph thought I was watcher, that would give him motivation to claim vig if he was the scum that made the kill (in the world where seph is scum)

[DVa]

Like, I think there's a decent chance Seph is scum?

but I think mechanically we still go for his partner and give him the chance to clear himself?

[Almost50]

so then the next question is, is it possible for there only to be two town PRs?

Yes, of course there is. Look at the Newbie Games. 2 TPRs vs 0-1 Scum PRs. Add 4 players (1 of which is scum) and you can add a weak Scum TPR (Doctor) vs 3 VTs. No problem.

[Almost50]

PP scum flip,

Seph shoots self,

everyone else action dumps me?

What?

[Kokichi Oma]

w/e let's just lynch someone. VOTE: pp

[PenguinPower]

Yes, of course there is. Look at the Newbie Games. 2 TPRs vs 0-1 Scum PRs. Add 4 players (1 of which is scum) and you can add a weak Scum TPR (Doctor) vs 3 VTs. No problem.

Possible in theory, but I can't find a recent setup that has made it through the review process, and this is a pre-designed by the NRG.

Most likely 3-4.

p-edit:

This is why I don't really care once it become mechanical...

[Sephiroth]

I would shoot nako over gamma easily

[Mewtaph]

Yeah, I'm tuning out lmao.

[OkaPoka]

i think it would be funny if seph shot himself

alternatively seph shoots mew if pp flips red

[OkaPoka]

this is all the context of the game of course.

seph shoot mew if pp flips red, gamma if pp flips green please

[Almost50]

@Koki: Man, you're bloody worrying me. Like, I'm almost skeptical of my own result on you. Why PP over Seph?