Mini Normal 2044: Game over!

[Garmr]

I don't like you, you're mean

[Garmr]

I don't like you, you're mean

We haven't even started yet

[Garmr]

I don't like you, you're mean

We haven't even started yet

Who the fuck is this one.

[Garmr]

I don't know?

[Garmr]

I don't know?

His part of you dumb fuck.

[Garmr]

Hahaha dumb and dumber we are in this mess because of you come here little boy.

[Garmr]

No don't hit me, ow it hurts make it stop make it stop.

[Garmr]

Hahaha dumb and dumber we are in this mess because of you come here little boy.

Dude you are going to far

[Garmr]

Hahaha dumb and dumber we are in this mess because of you come here little boy.

Dude you are going to far

Weakling you have to make him bleed it taste sweetest when his blood is mixed with tears

[Garmr]

I don't want to be here it hurts it hurts.

[Garmr]

I don't want to be here it hurts it hurts.

It ends when these people vote you off

[Garmr]

I don't want to be here it hurts it hurts.

It ends when these people vote you off

End his misery guys vote him off unless you are all monsters.

[Garmr]

Why are you all doing this to me you are sick all sick.

[Clemency]

Split(2018)

[Clemency]

also
Fight Club(1999)

[bji]

I agree he's worth ignoring
Just to be clear before we move on, is there any chance Persivul is scum here? No, right? I can't think of a way he's scum (especially if garmr does indeed flip motion detector) unless town was way outgunned here

I thought it through very heavily, and I can't find any scenario where Persivul's play at the beginning of Day 2 is scum. It would require one of two things: a) I'm scum and he and I cooperated on how I would pretend to force his hand by voting him, or b) I am town and he was very good at reacting to my vote to allow him to fake claim with near perfect reasoning. I know I'm not scum, so from my perspective it must be (b). You will have to decide for yourself if it's (a) or (b) (or something else I didn't think of). It is certainly possible that he had it all planned out, there were two days to think of it after all.

If Persivul is scum I don't mind losing to him. I know it's kinda crappy but I find losing to certain players not much worse than winning, and I find losing to certain other players alot worse than that. Mostly lurkers. I hate losing to lurkers.

Honest question: is there any value in Perivul saying who he would target tonight? Is there any value in us playing a sub-game of voting on who Persivul should target? It hedges a little bit against him being scum, I would think.

[bji]

I agree he's worth ignoring
Just to be clear before we move on, is there any chance Persivul is scum here? No, right? I can't think of a way he's scum (especially if garmr does indeed flip motion detector) unless town was way outgunned here

I thought it through very heavily, and I can't find any scenario where Persivul's play at the beginning of Day 2 is scum. It would require one of two things: a) I'm scum and he and I cooperated on how I would pretend to force his hand by voting him, or b) I am town and he was very good at reacting to my vote to allow him to fake claim with near perfect reasoning. I know I'm not scum, so from my perspective it must be (b). You will have to decide for yourself if it's (a) or (b) (or something else I didn't think of). It is certainly possible that he had it all planned out, there were two days to think of it after all.

Again my wall was confusing, sorry. I meant that if he is scum, from my perspective it would have to be the (b) scenario. And so from my perspective, either he is town or he played me. I think he's town.

[Persivul]

It should resolve tomorrow. Unless scum have a RB, they have to kill me tonight. If garmr's a scum MD, it's doubtful they also have a RB.

[Irrelephant11]

Sash and Clem, please sort our your reads each other (and on me and bji, secondarily)

[bji]

It should resolve tomorrow. Unless scum have a RB, they have to kill me tonight. If garmr's a scum MD, it's doubtful they also have a RB.

From a game solving perspective, you could still be scum. I mean, if you are scum then of course you'd just claim there was a RB tomorrow even if there wasn't. If you are still alive tomorrow your alignment isn't really any more certain than it was today.

I draw my final read on you from what I saw at the beginning of Day 2, and from Reaper's confirmation of your target. The possibility of Reaper being scum and lying about your target seems like a very distant possibility. The possibility of Day 2 starting the way it did if you were scum seems nearly as remote.

Again, do we vote on your target? Does it even matter? Never been in this position and I don't know what the groupthink is on how this is supposed to proceed.

[Irrelephant11]

I don't think there's a point to voting on his target. He will either get a useful result or he won't. The only reason it would matter who he targeted is if there was an ascetic townie or something

[bji]

I don't think there's a point to voting on his target. He will either get a useful result or he won't. The only reason it would matter who he targeted is if there was an ascetic townie or something

If he's town he's going to die anyway, so it doesn't matter who he targets, so in that scenario it won't help or hurt anything, and the votes are, you know, more "information".

If he's scum, then I'd rather let the majority choose his target since he will live to tomorrow and it will take away some of his ability to cleverly craft his outcome. If we force him to target town, then he'd have to either townfirm a townie for us, or fake a scum result that would then at least let that townie know that he is definitively scum.

All that being said, I have on other occasions tried to manage a sub-vote game and people tend to just ignore it or not do it. But I am willing to try.

[bji]

Of course if he is alive, he will probably just claim roleblocked.

Given that all confirmed roles thus far are Loud, would it be likely for a roleblocker, if one exists, to also be Loud?

[Irrelephant11]

garmr will be dying today so he will be the only scum if he is scum, so he can only target town if he is scum, so it doesn't matter who he targets
If scum leave him alive for the wifom or because they can roleblock him, it also doesn't matter who he targets
If he dies, it also doesn't matter who he targets

[Irrelephant11]

If scum leave him alive for the wifom

right okay in this case it "matters" because he could catch scum, but having everyone vote for the target probably doesn't make it that much more likely and in this case he's trustworthy town anyway