Open 741: Red Flag [Endgame]

[Blackjacks]

What was your motivation in making this post? The part about warning people about voting. We aren't in lylo, so why would all four scum be inclined to all join the same wagon and quicklynch a townie on day one, when that would potentially bring all four of them under a lot of scrutiny on day two? Especially if the four scum were all the last four voters on the wagon and quickly voted back-to-back to bring the wagon to lynch. In lylo it would make sense for that to happen, but it doesn't make sense for the scumteam to do that on day one. It seems strange to be discouraging voting this early on in the game, especially since voting/pressuring is one way to help the game transition from "RVS" to "serious mode".

this is towny and the only real reason to scumread them is lack of content. it's just a generic bad wagon

what's towny about this post?

-r

[northsidegal]

Votecount 1.7

Gamma Emerald (1):

Keyser Söze 100

THE MEME MEN (3):

Volxen 105, Aster 297, Gamma Emerald 311

Nibbui (1):

pinturicchio 142

Volxen (2):

Blackjacks 238, THE MEME MEN 384

Firebringer (1):

Clemency 394

Springtrap (2):

Firebringer 442, Nibbui 470

Not voting (3):

ceejayvinoya, RadiantCowbells, Springtrap

With 13 alive, it’s 7 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-12-09 14:42:59).

[RadiantCowbells]

it's legitimate analysis of what scum vs town would do, something that is entirely absent from your iso.

[Blackjacks]

yes, because I'm here to meme with ofrhz and enjoy myself

What do you think that scum you would be doing here differently?

I probably wouldn't post things like 102/115/260 or if I did I would overexplain them to make sure that everyone "got" them

I might also be trying harder to look like I'm efforting

-r

[Nibbui]

yes, because I'm here to meme with ofrhz and enjoy myself

What do you think that scum you would be doing here differently?

I probably wouldn't post things like 102/115/260 or if I did I would overexplain them to make sure that everyone "got" them

I might also be trying harder to look like I'm efforting

-r

I see

from what I've researched, you've only rolled scum once in one of your first games. What do you think you learned about playing as scum with that game, and what do you think you need to improve as scum?

[Blackjacks]

when I'm scum I actually just can't write posts, which presumably only improves with practice.

people also tend to gut/tone read me as scum

-r

[Nibbui]

when I'm scum I actually just can't write posts, which presumably only improves with practice.

people also tend to gut/tone read me as scum

-r

if you can't write good elabored posts as scum, do you think you would try to improve it as the games goes on or do you think that you would find to be a good tactic to simplify your play overall as you've been doing here and not need to elaborate posts at all?

[Blackjacks]

I can write elaborate wallposts as scum, I can fake trajectories, I can double-check my entire iso for internal consistencies, etc.

I just can't

post

like I think I was the lowest living poster in that game

[Clemency]

can't relate

[Nibbui]

I can write elaborate wallposts as scum, I can fake trajectories, I can double-check my entire iso for internal consistencies, etc.

I just can't

post

like I think I was the lowest living poster in that game

I mean, maybe you just didn't express yourself in the best way just as I misintepreted it but in the original post you say

when I'm scum I actually just can't

write

posts, which presumably only improves with practice.

But yeah, thanks for explaining, that helped

although I'm taking this change of expression with a bit of salt...

[Aster]

First things first. There seems to be some rumour circulating that "Aster" means "Disaster". I wish to clarify that the rumours are entirely false. In fact, they are quite the

opposite

of the truth.

The prefix "dis-" is from Latin origin that is used to express a negative or opposite [1]. Examples are "disassemble" being the opposite of "assemble" and "distrust" being the opposite of "trust". As such, "disaster" or Dis-Aster, is the

opposite

of "Aster". Using the laws of logic, it follows that Aster is the

opposite

of Disaster.

The name "Aster" ought to be associated with things like blessing and salvation, or in mafia context, perfect victories.

Any further questions?

[Aster]

So: I scumread her because of something specific ---> she replies with a tone that ressembles her town range ---> I stop caring about the initial specific thing 'cause I have something better. Is this now clear?

My problem is not that you dropped the initial specific thing, it is that you dropped something else than the initial specific thing.

The chain or logic is: you think that Blackjacks is scummy because they put effort in their RVS. To have this claim be applicable, Blackjacks must've written their post after receiving their role. To prove that this claim is applicaple, you try to prove "Blackjacks wrote their post in pregame". Then Blackjacks confirms that the post was written after having received the role.

When you drop the case against Blackjacks, you act like "wrote post in pregame" is the scumtell you no longer care about, whereas "effort in RVS" should be the scumtell you no longer care about. It gives me the impression that you forgot what your case was about or how it was structured.

Of course it is plausible that you were just a confused townie, but I would expect scum to be more likely than townies to forget what their cases were about because they care more about finding some scumtells to point fingers at than finding real reasons others are scum.

---

Anyway, I'm a bit confused by the Blackjacks/ruru case. Since mentions of ruru's meta were made, I presumed that ruru's meta would be "useless lurker" like in this game, but RadiantCowbells asserts it isn't and it is rare for ruru to lurk this much? Even if claimed this is not the only game where ruru lurks, how can you be so sure about reading the "tone" of her messages if she rarely ever plays like this? I'd think there's little data to compare her to.

I guess you can't answer this question, but it is just something I'm worndering about.

[Nibbui]

First things first. There seems to be some rumour circulating that "Aster" means "Disaster". I wish to clarify that the rumours are entirely false. In fact, they are quite the

opposite

of the truth.

The prefix "dis-" is from Latin origin that is used to express a negative or opposite [1]. Examples are "disassemble" being the opposite of "assemble" and "distrust" being the opposite of "trust". As such, "disaster" or Dis-Aster, is the

opposite

of "Aster". Using the laws of logic, it follows that Aster is the

opposite

of Disaster.

The name "Aster" ought to be associated with things like blessing and salvation, or in mafia context, perfect victories.

Any further questions?

It was even funnier than the "dis

Aster

" pun all the while being serious.

That's some talent right here I guess.

[Blackjacks]

You guys accused him of the Ellitell, posting somewhere else while not posting in a certain game.

However, in my vision the Ellitell works on cases where the player is

purely

not interested in posting on that game while posting on others, if he might have had other reasons that tell fells flat. Volxen had only logged in for some time back then, and although he posted in one game, Keyser already said he didn't post in another one he is in as well.

In the time span between 173 and 368, volxen was only playing in one other game in which he made multiple posts.

Ellitell has worked on volxen in the past; he’s more likely to post when he’s town.

/ofrhz

[Firebringer]

i like ur hat disaster

[ofrhz]

I agree with RC about Volxen, but it's null for me.

What parts did you agree with?

[Blackjacks]

I agree with RC about Volxen, but it's null for me.

What parts did you agree with?

[volxen]

You guys accused him of the Ellitell, posting somewhere else while not posting in a certain game.

However, in my vision the Ellitell works on cases where the player is

purely

not interested in posting on that game while posting on others, if he might have had other reasons that tell fells flat. Volxen had only logged in for some time back then, and although he posted in one game, Keyser already said he didn't post in another one he is in as well.

In the time span between 173 and 368, volxen was only playing in one other game in which he made multiple posts.

Ellitell has worked on volxen in the past; he’s more likely to post when he’s town.

/ofrhz

I mean, I'm not sure why you are putting so much stock in this. I only have one completed scum game on site, and it seems like you are scumreading me here because of a certain ongoing game. At times I have gaps in my posts as both alignments. And yes if I am playing multiple games, I may not post each day in each game.

[pinturicchio]

I agree with RC about Volxen, but it's null for me.

What parts did you agree with?

That the only reason to scumread him is lack of content, and by that reason I could scumread half of the player list

[Nibbui]

You guys accused him of the Ellitell, posting somewhere else while not posting in a certain game.

However, in my vision the Ellitell works on cases where the player is

purely

not interested in posting on that game while posting on others, if he might have had other reasons that tell fells flat. Volxen had only logged in for some time back then, and although he posted in one game, Keyser already said he didn't post in another one he is in as well.

In the time span between 173 and 368, volxen was only playing in one other game in which he made multiple posts.

Ellitell has worked on volxen in the past; he’s more likely to post when he’s town.

/ofrhz

Again, he had just replaced so I don't think it would be abnormal for him to think "oh well, afterwards I catchup with that game" and just post in the game he is focused right now.

However there's two good points here:

The news that the Ellitell worked on him once is

very

appreciated (that in other words he indeed posts more as town than as scum). in what game did that happen?

Also, I suddenly noticed something when you said "multiple posts" that I had only realized in a unconscious level before...

I mean, he only came here to write

one

post and by re:checking I'm noticing a lot of difference in the ratio he posts here and elsewhere

Yeah, that may increase his scum equity I guess.

@RC, do you disagree with this?

[Blackjacks]

You guys accused him of the Ellitell, posting somewhere else while not posting in a certain game.

However, in my vision the Ellitell works on cases where the player is

purely

not interested in posting on that game while posting on others, if he might have had other reasons that tell fells flat. Volxen had only logged in for some time back then, and although he posted in one game, Keyser already said he didn't post in another one he is in as well.

In the time span between 173 and 368, volxen was only playing in one other game in which he made multiple posts.

Ellitell has worked on volxen in the past; he’s more likely to post when he’s town.

/ofrhz

I mean, I'm not sure why you are putting so much stock in this. I only have one completed scum game on site, and it seems like you are scumreading me here because of a certain ongoing game. At times I have gaps in my posts as both alignments. And yes if I am playing multiple games, I may not post each day in each game.

I was pretty obviously responding to the statement that you were not ellitelling. This isn’t even the only reason I’m scumreading you for anymore

What thoughts on the game do you have?

[Nibbui]

You guys accused him of the Ellitell, posting somewhere else while not posting in a certain game.

However, in my vision the Ellitell works on cases where the player is

purely

not interested in posting on that game while posting on others, if he might have had other reasons that tell fells flat. Volxen had only logged in for some time back then, and although he posted in one game, Keyser already said he didn't post in another one he is in as well.

In the time span between 173 and 368, volxen was only playing in one other game in which he made multiple posts.

Ellitell has worked on volxen in the past; he’s more likely to post when he’s town.

/ofrhz

I mean, I'm not sure why you are putting so much stock in this. I only have one completed scum game on site, and it seems like you are scumreading me here because of a certain ongoing game. At times I have gaps in my posts as both alignments. And yes if I am playing multiple games, I may not post each day in each game.

You know, first time I wrote it off as coincidence but for the second time just when we're talking about you, you kinda shows up?

[Aster]

i like ur hat

dis

aster

Thanks. Northsidegal gave it to me <3

We are now in an officially mod-sanctioned Christmas spirit ^^

[Gamma Emerald]

First things first. There seems to be some rumour circulating that "Aster" means "Disaster". I wish to clarify that the rumours are entirely false. In fact, they are quite the

opposite

of the truth.

The prefix "dis-" is from Latin origin that is used to express a negative or opposite [1]. Examples are "disassemble" being the opposite of "assemble" and "distrust" being the opposite of "trust". As such, "disaster" or Dis-Aster, is the

opposite

of "Aster". Using the laws of logic, it follows that Aster is the

opposite

of Disaster.

The name "Aster" ought to be associated with things like blessing and salvation, or in mafia context, perfect victories.

Any further questions?

Not sure if serious
Or just fucking with people.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I would expect to be catching more attention for one of my recent posts.