Excalibur [Endgame]

[Gamma Emerald]

My 2 cents:
I don’t like how Maria is blistering about blacklisting people. It’s a bit egotistical I feel, acting like the threat of being blacklisted has some sort of impact on how people will treat you and abusing that

[Gamma Emerald]

blustering*

[DVa]

I more meant what did you mean by "our way"? What does it mean to "play the game our way"? Because when I read that I took that as "play the game by fakeclaiming"? Like that just doesn't sound like what you write when you're ccing someone and they're now confirmed scum to you. It sounds like you're kinda fucking with her and pissed that she's not cool with it

[Elsa Jay]

So this means you're not gonna shoot, right?

Why wouldn't I stab tonight? I can probably get rid of the lurker slots as auther better then glatiations and lynches being wasted.

And if I die, well obviously Varsoon fucked me real good by convincing me I'm actually Auther to make me suicide.

Pedit: is Mood swings a reliable answer, Dva?

[DVa]

So --- real talk --- you are *really* claiming you have the sword and you understand that if Maria flips town here you are getting dunked tomorrow?

Like if you're town fakeclaiming just cause you feel like getting Maria lynched I would agree with Maria that's a really shitty thing to do here because I really don't see how you don't get lynched tomorrow in that scenario

[DVa]

Like Maria claiming to have the sword as scum when she doesn't have the sword just does not really sound like a thing that happens so I'm having a really hard time buying this CC ngl

[Auro]

Like Maria claiming to have the sword as scum when she doesn't have the sword just does not really sound like a thing that happens so I'm having a really hard time buying this CC ngl

Why not? Fishing for the sword holder?

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 2.1

Firebringer [4] - MariaR, Varsoon, Dunnstral, Kokichi Oma
MariaR [3] - Firebringer, Auro, Elsa Jay
No Lynch [2] - DVa, Nancy Drew 39

Not Voting [6]

- Gamma Emerald, Untrod Tripod, VeridianCleric, PenguinPower, SirCakez, Not Known 15

With 15 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-12-09 22:00:00)

[DVa]

Why not? Fishing for the sword holder?

Because that is something that opens Maria up to a hard CC. Basically that would require her to assume she was losing the gladiate, which only happens if she really bought NN15's claim that Fire was Arthur. So unless Maria really thought she was going down, I don't think she puts herself in that position, she's quite capable as scum and would probably try to wiggle out of it.

[FakeGod]

Looking for replacement for VeridianCleric.

[Dunnstral]

Why not? Fishing for the sword holder?

which only happens if she really bought NN15's claim that Fire was Arthur.

...except Merlin

knows who has the sword

I'm not sure what elsa thinks she's doing right now

Maria has the sword. I'm telling you guys this.

If she thought nn15 was Merlin that doesn't lead her to claiming to have the sword right after a Merlin claim

[Dunnstral]

If you guys don't understand why I came into the day pushing on Maria when I knew she had the sword I can go over it if you'd like?

[Auro]

If you guys don't understand why I came into the day pushing on Maria when I knew she had the sword I can go over it if you'd like?

Yeah, please do? To see who pushes her too?

[Firebringer]

i find the likelyhood that dunnie is merlin and maria has the sword at 0 odds if i was a gambling man.
and i work in a casino, so i know something about odds

[DVa]

So you want to lynch Ana for the shitty gladiate then? I know Fire does some wacky shit as scum but this is like ridiculous even for him

[Firebringer]

rude

[DVa]

I mean you did suicide in our last game together as scum, I think that qualifies as "wacky shit"

and tbh your gladiate here was pretty bad, I mean there was a non zero chance that Maria had the sword, I think today would have been much better with something like a NN15 gladiate tbh

[Dunnstral]

If you guys don't understand why I came into the day pushing on Maria when I knew she had the sword I can go over it if you'd like?

Yeah, please do? To see who pushes her too?

i find the likelyhood that dunnie is merlin and maria has the sword at 0 odds if i was a gambling man.
and i work in a casino, so i know something about odds

Alright, first I'll go over Why it makes sense for me to be merlin with UT as Arthur, briefly.

I come into the game pushing on UT, my intention is threefold

A) Make him less likely to get night killed, as a townie with a 'wrong' read on another townie (also makes me less likely to get nightkilled, perfect as Merlin on day 1
B) Subtly push him towards claiming the sword, by having a scumread on him
C) Actively push for him to take the sword, without arousing scum suspicion

Here was my proposed plan:

How about we let Varsoon, UT, and LLD go for the sword? They've all already volunteered their intentions to go for the sword, and they seemed pretty bent on going for it

...and then I lynched LLD, leaving Varsoon and UT going for the sword (and kokichi, maybe... and apparently Maria after that day)

Now, moving onto Maria - except let's actually look at her read on Something_Smart:

I only really want Maria to get it if LLD is scum, because it means that scum wanted Maria out of the way for a reason. And I do think there's a decent chance of a bus... people bus in situations where it seems dumb, precisely because it seems so dumb nobody would expect it, and clearly LLD thought she was going down anyway.

So, you’re thinking that LLD is bussing Maria for towncred, hoping someone other than her claims the sword?

Well, yeah. At the time of LLD's challenge, it looked extremely unlikely that we'd be able to orchestrate a plan where a single person claims the sword, probably based in large part due to Varsoon's bamboozle. I don't think scum-LLD would have been expecting scum-Maria to be forced to claim the sword after just winning a gladiate against flipped scum.

This is prob scum.

So Maria is town, and SS was town, and they both scumread each other. So why, then, would SS die?
People came into the day acting like it was a sign that somebody was framing VARSOON, I don't think that's true. After all, did SS ever call Varsoon scum...?
He called Maria scum, so by that logic I concluded: Scum didn't care about this interaction between ss and Maria where they both scumread each other

Scum killed SS and in the back of their mind they were thinking that Maria was going to get lynched today, for sure

I realize this after some thinking after the day starts, as I know Maria has the sword and is therefore town. It doesn't matter how hard I push on her because I wasn't going to let her by lynched, worst case scenario no lynch is an option. So I push on her, seeing who else will bite on the maria = scum.

So let's look at my push on her, with that in mind:

So does Maria want to talk about that straight up scum flailing at the end of the day there, or what?

Scumtastic

I've changed my mind, Maria is scum here

I've changed my mind, Maria is scum here

Wow you scumreading maria? Why?

Want to hear more from FA slot given I have a slot of tr's and I think scum can be in the lurker slots.

Scumtastic

I've changed my mind, Maria is scum here

Why? This post sound more NAI to me.

I'm also referencing her posts at the end of yesterday where she suddenly announced that she wasn't going for the sword

What's really strange is it also feels like she already knows LLD is going to flip town in those posts

First posts aren't me giving reasons for why she's scummy, but inviting other people to join in or disagree or whatever. Then I give a pretty generic response for why she's scum that only talks about the scummy looking (which it is, admittedly) end of day

I've changed my mind, Maria is scum here

Wow you scumreading maria? Why?

And what's your read on her?

Me asking for a read from Kokichi, he never gives one and I later look at him again and decide he looks like coasting scum.

People keep saying ss could have been killed to 'frame varsoon', but Varsoon isn't who he wanted dead

Still true

I haven’t really scrutinized MariaR like that yet
I can try I guess

What is this in response to, by the way? I can't figure out what you're talking about

Me trying to figure out what's going on here because it references Maria

And you know what came of that?

I believe Nancy's reads and think she's town, I'm eyeing Gamma for the way he treated Maria, and Fire came in thinking he could get a lynch off on her

Guess what? That makes him scummy. It doesn't matter what you think of his tone, he fell into the pattern of 'get tired of waiting for Maria to go down and lynch herself - people have a bad habit of thinking, as scum, that scum has to gladiate in games like this or else they'll stick out - further, it looked likely to fire that he would be able to push the lynch through without taking flak himself.

Everyone else is blatantly fakeclaiming to try to provide cover for 'the real merlin' (me) - I've got details and plans that lend credence to my own claim, I don't want to nolynch, fire has a decent chance of being scum

[Dunnstral]

Further scum thought maria for sure didn't have the sword. She hid it well, even while being pushed on.

[Dunnstral]

So you want to lynch Ana for the shitty gladiate then? I know Fire does some wacky shit as scum but this is like ridiculous even for him

What part about it is 'ridiculous' exactly? He didn't know maria had the sword.

[Firebringer]

I mean you did suicide in our last game together as scum, I think that qualifies as "wacky shit"

and tbh your gladiate here was pretty bad, I mean there was a non zero chance that Maria had the sword, I think today would have been much better with something like a NN15 gladiate tbh

i was offended by "ridiculous even from him" implication.
ive done way more wacky shit than this.

[Dunnstral]

I wasn't against Maria going for the sword (even though I townread her yesterday) because other people (Like DVa) simply don't listen to my read on Maria - that's been proven to great effect - admittedly I also thought lld was flipping scum here for rushing into a gladiate with Maria like that

[Dunnstral]

Once again, Fire, gladiating Maria here was in no way "wacky"

[DVa]

I mean I kinda think Fire as scum would recognize it's a real possibility? He's silly, he's not actually bad at the game. Like, when he suicided in witches ball it had a motivation (his pairing was going down anyway probably), whereas here... he was basically committing suicide for no reason (if you think he thought it was likely maria had the sword)

Maybe I just give Fire more credit for his scumgame... idk. Fire is not bad at this game. He is funny, he makes unusual plays, but this seems more likely to come from his towngame imo

[DVa]

ive done way more wacky shit than this.

well my experience with you is not infinite

fire if you're town how do you not get mislynched here?