no deadlines mafia [game over]

[Xtoxm]

Plot twist, there's no hood at all and our scum team is pretending there is for townread after a couple of us die

[profii]

you mean the hood you are allegedly in?

[xyzzy]

Porkens has requested replacement; searching for one now.

[Varsoon]

Wheh.
Porkens replaced out.

Anyway; Just because I think THERE MIGHT BE SCUM in our hood doesn't mean I think that lynching in a pool of ONLY THE HOOD helps us at all.

Basically, we've got 24 players.
Assuming singleball (please mod be singleball--I know my wincon indicates multiple teams, but please, please mod) and a normal 1/4 ratio, that means that if we lynch out of the game thread of players, we have an assured 1/4 chance of hitting scum, of which there are 6 players.

If we try to force a pool of lynches out of the neighborhood, we run into a handful of issues:
1. We don't have the guarantee of the same ratio, so way may literally hit no scum.
2. We run the risk of conf-biasing and lynching multiple town
3. We can't know if there's only one scum there, so even if we lynch once from it and hit scum, it doesn't solve the hood.
4. Players can insist on lynching from the hood pool as policy and avoid engaging elsewhere.
5. Even if the hood follows the same ratio that the game thread does with regard to scum to town (1/4), all these other problems exist and, at best, we trade 3 town lives for 1 scum life, which doesn't win us the game.

So I don't really see why outting the hood but suggesting lynching independent of its existence makes me scum.
I think ya'll voting me are either
1. Scum who are eager to see me flip town, pushing the fallacy that there'd be a higher chance of hitting scum if we just keep lynching out of the hood pool
2. Town who don't grasp what I'm saying here/want to pressure me.

But ayyy

[Varsoon]

Clearly just trying to protect my own ass, tho.

Profii doesn't even consider my post from a town PoV.
Like
Of course I out the hood--I shouldn't trust it, there COULD be scum there
Of course I don't insist on hunting in the hood--I shouldn't, the same ratios of the game thread ARE NOT mod-confirmed

It's dat simple.

[Varsoon]

Who wants to see a magic trick?

..me?

[Leodanny]

Ooh, me too!

[Varsoon]

...now that I re-read, I think the trick was just that he's a triple voter. :/
THAT'S NOT MAGIC

[Leodanny]

That’s sad. I wanted to see a cool trick.

[Purrcocet]

VOTE: Xtotm

[Purrcocet]

im the plug btw

[Leodanny]

What does that mean?

[Gamma Emerald]

Hes gammagooey, not gamma emerald

Oh, I was wondering.

Everyone makes that mistake smh
I might have to play on another account for games with gooey to avoid confusion

I thought you were in our hood until now.

I wish I was, sounds like a ball

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm liable to believe that at least one of the four people in my PT is scum, which is why I decided to out the PT in the first place.
That said, it's a fallacy to assume that the same ratio of town to scum in the main thread applies to any PT, so I'd prefer we didn't hunt out of that PT group.

VOTE: Profii

Bad post

I kind of agree after a closer look. I interpreted this as:

"I think there's scum in my neighborhood so I outted"
"It's dumb to think there's scum in my hood"
*votes Profii for thinking scum is in the hood"

BTW this hood discussion is very interesting especially when it comes to Varsoon
Varsoon did you ever release the Mod or Dead PT for Varsoon Variety Hour?

[Gamma Emerald]

Plot twist, there's no hood at all and our scum team is pretending there is for townread after a couple of us die

Eh? Doesn't that fall apart after one dies?

[Xtoxm]

Oh right yeah I forgot neighbour is in our role name

[Varsoon]

@Gamma: I did eventually release all the PTs, with exception of the setup creation PT, I believe.

[Varsoon]

I am a mod known for muh PTs.

[Gamma Emerald]

Thanks. I'm curious about your reaction to similar speculation in that game so checking that will help me with that.

[profii]

Clearly just trying to protect my own ass, tho.

Profii doesn't even consider my post from a town PoV.

interesting - by saying protect my own ass, you clearly understand what I was getting at.

but by saying I don't consider your post from a town PoV I would suggest you are ignoring

lol yeah that's fair

which was me reading your initial explanation, was quite valid and that a restricted lynch pool is a risk/fallacy

It was only when Cheeky asked me about you being in RVS (noting that is specifically not about the hood) that I looked into the language in your post and considered that there is an element of cover your ass to what you are saying, which could be scum!varsoon directing people entirely away from the hood.



You worry me Varsoon.

[Gamma Emerald]

pegging this down for the actual mod/dead PT dive, cos I'm reading the main thread first to see who was arguing Varsoon's point for here and who was arguing profii's point for here

[Gamma Emerald]

lol didn't write what I actually wanted to write
the PT was shining dreamers/randomidget/OTM + one other person (from what I pulled from the purple heart ISO)

[profii]

pegging this down for the actual mod/dead PT dive, cos I'm reading the main thread first to see who was arguing Varsoon's point for here and who was arguing profii's point for here

[Varsoon]

He's talking about a game I ran.
Are you talking about when they did the PARLIAMENT AT DAKKAR PT, Gamma?
'cus that was MOD CONFIRMED to contain at least 1 scum
but scum had a hidden mechanic where they could put as many of themselves in it as they wanted.
What a clever mechanic
Man I love my games

[Gamma Emerald]

He's talking about a game I ran.
Are you talking about when they did the PARLIAMENT AT DAKKAR PT, Gamma?
'cus that was MOD CONFIRMED to contain at least 1 scum
but scum had a hidden mechanic where they could put as many of themselves in it as they wanted.
What a clever mechanic
Man I love my games

no that came later
I remember someone making a similar "we should lynch in the PT because it'll probably contain one scum mathematically" argument for that PT
that PT existed during the MtG part (obviously, because SD was lynched then and was a hood member)